Kotaku: Sony is working on a ‘PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4

Soapbox Killer said:
So if I have this right:

PS4k, Xbox One +, and Nintendo NX will all be roughly the same in terms of power?

if true then this will be The Last Generation, the final 9, The Last Hokage. It's been fun fellas, I'll see you in the funny papers.
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If MS & Sony is using the same advantage that AMD is getting from going to 14nm for their new chips I'm guessing they will still have the same gap. but we will not know anything until some specs leak or it's fully revealed. but for now we all play the guessing game.
 
GhostTrick said:
PS4 GPU is clocked at 800mhz. It's double.
GPUs reference design from AMD are 1Ghz yes. 1.05Ghz for the higher clocked ones. That's my point. We didnt see such a huge upgrade from other process nodes. We wont see it here either. That's why GPU manufacturers and CPU manufacturers are pushing more cores instead of higher clocks.
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We also haven't seen consoles use the node change to upgrade the console instead of making it smaller so we can't use what was done before as a metric.
 
Soapbox Killer said:
So if I have this right:

PS4k, Xbox One +, and Nintendo NX will all be roughly the same in terms of power?

if true then this will be The Last Generation, the final 9, The Last Hokage. It's been fun fellas, I'll see you in the funny papers.
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Well, at the rate PS4 and PSVR are selling, I can see Xbox consoles vanish but Sony will probably revert back and make the PS4.5 actually a PS5.

Nintendo doesn't give a shit, they will continue as usual.
 
If it's just 4K for games / bluray then this could be cool.

I don't know why people are suggesting it would segment the userbase. Nothing we have suggests that. If it's 4K machine, then presumably all of the games would also work on your 4.0 PS4, but in 720-1080p. Which you haven't had a problem with until now...
 
IF it has a beast GPU and PSVR performance improves tremendously, then I may consider upgrading. But by that time, I'll probably have a 2nd gen PC VR headset as well with a new rig.
 
I could see them doing an enhanced PS4 to do things like boot games faster, improve multitasking, or enhance secondary features like game streaming and Remote Play (1080p60 please?) all without breaking compatibility or abandoning their install base.
 
2thepoint said:
If PS4 is at 1.8 tflops (could be higher since they unlocked 7th core in cpu), what would a PS4.5 look like in terms of computational power?

4tflops minimum?
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The 1.8 tflops number reefers to the GPU performance only.

jedivulcan said:
I could see them doing an enhanced PS4 to do things like boot games faster, improve multitasking, or enhance secondary features like game streaming and Remote Play (1080p60 please?) all without breaking compatibility or abandoning their install base.
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So, kinda like the PSP-2000? Sounds reasonable.
 
2thepoint said:
If PS4 is at 1.8 tflops (could be higher since they unlocked 7th core in cpu), what would a PS4.5 look like in terms of computational power?

4tflops minimum?
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The 1.84 Tflops is just the GPU, CPU isn't included. If it was straight up 4x the power for 4k native rendering it would have to be 7.36 Tflops. You can see why I'm skeptical of native 4k rendering.
 
2thepoint said:
If PS4 is at 1.8 tflops (could be higher since they unlocked 7th core in cpu), what would a PS4.5 look like in terms of computational power?

4tflops minimum?
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Flops dont necessarily mean all that much.

They could use a better cpu, HBM 2 (more efficient memory), a more efficient design and be a lot more powerful whiteout the flop count increasing that much.
 
The responses in this thread are selfish. Technology improves and gets more affordable over time.

If Sony does this, it is still a PS4, but it plays games at 1080p or 4k instead of 720p. So, what? It's the same game(s).

This is a good thing.
 
b3b0p said:
The responses in this thread are selfish. Technology improves and gets more affordable over time.

If Sony does this, it is still a PS4, but it plays games at 1080p or 4k instead of 720p. So, what? It's the same game(s).

This is a good thing.
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There are no 720P PS4 games that I know of
 
Imagine if Sony and MS work together to put out a mid-cycle refresh combo system that natively outputs 4K at 60fps for all Xbox One/PS4 games and supports PSVR and Oculus Rift. =0
 
notaskwid said:
In Japan they are trying to push 4K like crazy. For the Tokyo olympics and stuff. Real 4k is not really feasible for a console right now, and barely even in the most powerful consumer grade pcs, so my guess is, if this PS4k really happens, it will be mostly a corporate level marketing stunt to sell consoles.
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It just seems silly for console gaming at this point. PCs aren't doing 4k with ease, either.
 
How will Sony be able to sell a 4K console for $400 and still make profit? To have 4K done decently on PC you would need to spend around $650 for a GTX 980 Ti. AMD's R9 Fury cards cost about the same.
 
b3b0p said:
The responses in this thread are selfish. Technology improves and gets more affordable over time.

If Sony does this, it is still a PS4, but it plays games at 1080p or 4k instead of 720p. So, what? It's the same game(s).

This is a good thing.
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David Ricardo said:
I have a 2011 iPad 2. It plays the same games and apps as newer iPads but worse. I stopped updating the system software 2 years ago because everytime I updated it it run worse. It runs like shite now. I don't want the same thing happening to my PS4.
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-^

There's other hardware companies I won't mention rumored to do the same thing with their drivers.
 
b3b0p said:
The responses in this thread are selfish. Technology improves and gets more affordable over time.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm primarily a PC gamer, so I'm fine with the idea of dropping cash on my gaming machine every other year for an upgrade. Problem is, one of the most appealing parts of a console is not having to do that, and perhaps more importantly, knowing you can wait 2-3 years for a lower entry point from a "slim" redesign before upgrading to the next generation. You're right that technology gets more affordable over time, but console gamers are used to that saving being passed on to them, not seeing a console permanently sitting at the $300-400 mark and improving graphically every other year.

Regarding the 4k news - it's definitely feasible for PS4 games to output at this resolution, but I imagine that's mainly targeting smaller games (like Assassin's Creed Chronicles) and Indies that want to make use of it. AAA games like the Division and the Witcher 3 might be able to get a bump to 1440p, but I doubt Sony would be looking to fit a GPU that would be considered bleeding edge by PC gaming standards, and selling it in a $400 box, so that Destiny 2 will hit 4k. Seems to me the 4k is more of an "upper limit" thing that only a minority of games will take advantage of.
 
krang said:
Are you sure that wasn't because of the shit naming "system" of all the examples you cite?
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Are you sure it wasn't because iterative design in the console space runs opposite to the reason consumers buy into said space? Consumer mindset counts for a lot.
 
Vashetti said:
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Darkstorne said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm primarily a PC gamer, so I'm fine with the idea of dropping cash on my gaming machine every other year for an upgrade. Problem is, one of the most appealing parts of a console is not having to do that, and perhaps more importantly, knowing you can wait 2-3 years for a lower entry point from a "slim" redesign before upgrading to the next generation. You're right that technology gets more affordable over time, but console gamers are used to that saving being passed on to them, not seeing a console permanently sitting at the $300-400 mark and improving graphically every other year.

Regarding the 4k news - it's definitely feasible for PS4 games to output at this resolution, but I imagine that's mainly targeting smaller games (like Assassin's Creed Chronicles) and Indies that want to make use of it. AAA games like the Division and the Witcher 3 might be able to get a bump to 1440p, but I doubt Sony would be looking to fit a GPU that would be considered bleeding edge by PC gaming standards, and selling it in a $400 box, so that Destiny 2 will hit 4k. Seems to me the 4k is more of an "upper limit" thing that only a minority of games will take advantage of.
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Are you not understanding or am I not understanding?

The way I see it, it's still a PS4. All PS4's play the games for PS4. Period. One will play them faster.

So, if this is the case, why do you need to upgrade if your current system still plays the same game(s)? Who is making you upgrade? The games work on both machines.

Maybe it's just me and I don't even care. I'm content with my NES and Game Boy still.
 
Soapbox Killer said:
So if I have this right:

PS4k, Xbox One +, and Nintendo NX will all be roughly the same in terms of power?

if true then this will be The Last Generation, the final 9, The Last Hokage. It's been fun fellas, I'll see you in the funny papers.
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I dont think Nintendo are willing to make a powerfull (expensive) machine at all.
 
So what exactly did Zoetis say about this?

And you can be certain Verendus is lurking in here laughing to himself knowing all the answers.
 
Soapbox Killer said:
So if I have this right:

PS4k, Xbox One +, and Nintendo NX will all be roughly the same in terms of power?

if true then this will be The Last Generation, the final 9, The Last Hokage. It's been fun fellas, I'll see you in the funny papers.
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You will be lucky if NX is on par with the xbone knowing Nintendo...
 
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