Kotaku: Sony is working on a ‘PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4

We already accept console revisions with things like bigger hard drives, why not a 4k version that is completely optional?

Let's say you own PS4 and you can't afford to buy PS4k, Are you going to be happy paying to play online against users on the newer model, running the same games at a higher framerate and/or resolution, therefore having an advantage over you?

I sure fucking wouldn't.
 
actually ..WHY do these games jurno's continually push this same old story EVERY gen.

i mean anyone who's been around this industry long enough should knwo the history well enough by now to know better.

i mean i'm sure internally sony are fiddling with devices and versions of things every day ..

but simple logic should kick in at some point.

ps4 market share is THE single most powerful weapon sony have, you DONT splinter that advantage for a simple bullet point on a box to cater to the few 4k owners out there. and you DEF do not mess with the platform so that you have a situation where devs have to cater for various grades of power .... N64 expansion pack anyone?

i mean how many times does this come up over and over. is tha pretty simple concept, and wont be changing any generation soon ..as it's always relative.

get a friggen clue gaming press.
 
actually ..WHY do these games jurno's continually push this same old story EVERY gen.

i mean anyone who's been around this industry long enough should knwo the history well enough by now to know better.

i mean i'm sure internally sony are fiddling with devices and versions of things every day ..

but simple logic should kick in at some point.

ps4 market share is THE single most powerful weapon sony have, you DONT splinter that advantage for a simple bullet point on a box to cater to the few 4k owners out there. and you DEF do not mess with the platform so that you have a situation where devs have to cater for various grades of power .... N64 expansion pack anyone?

i mean how many times does this come up over and over. is tha pretty simple concept, and wont be changing any generation soon ..as it's always relative.

get a friggen clue gaming press.

It's pretty much confirmed to be happening. It's only a matter of time
 
I wonder who is further along with these new consoles, Sony or Microsoft?

Phil Spencer alluded to the idea but maybe it was just that, in early planning stages and Sony look like they are knee deep in it. Would be interesting if Sony caught Microsoft off guard, you could imagine the opposite considering how Xbox One turned out.
 
actually ..WHY do these games jurno's continually push this same old story EVERY gen.

i mean anyone who's been around this industry long enough should knwo the history well enough by now to know better.

i mean i'm sure internally sony are fiddling with devices and versions of things every day ..

but simple logic should kick in at some point.

ps4 market share is THE single most powerful weapon sony have, you DONT splinter that advantage for a simple bullet point on a box to cater to the few 4k owners out there. and you DEF do not mess with the platform so that you have a situation where devs have to cater for various grades of power .... N64 expansion pack anyone?

i mean how many times does this come up over and over. is tha pretty simple concept, and wont be changing any generation soon ..as it's always relative.

get a friggen clue gaming press.

LOL
 
I really wonder after this how much Sony is expecting PS5 to sell at launch?

Do they want a complete shift of momentum from fast to slowing down and repeat to probably slow and maybe steady?

I think they would rather have a user base that goes from PS4 to PS4.5XXXX vs starting over with a fresh start of 4 - 10 million in the 1st year.
 
I plan on getting a 4K TV later this year and I've still yet to get a PS4, if this is true, I would be very interested indeed. An even more capable PS4 that takes advantage of my new TV? yes please.

Although what has Sony said about this rumour? Is it the usual we don't comment on rumours stuff or is the silence a more cautious one?



Oh my.
 
Isn't it obvious?

A $399/499 VR Headset releasing in October AND a brand new PS4 itneration in the end of the year (who knows the price, $499 maybe?). Both will be competing with each other indirectly.

"Should I buy the new PS4 or a PSVR?"

Remember that 3D push in 2010/11 from Sony? PS3 was apart of that. After the initial wow factor wore off I doubt anyone continued to play games in 3D on PS3 because of the visual downgrades that occured in the AAA games like Killzone 3 and Uncharted 3. 3D could have been alot better off now if mid generation console iterations were a thing back then. Sony has learned from all of their mistakes from the prior generation. I believe that this is another one.

With PSVR and a potential PS4k the future is more secure because the extra power is going to give people enough reasons to continue to be invested in their headsets for experiences that aren't visually gimped in comparison to a non-vr counterpart as this generation goes on. The people asking your question of 'Should I buy the new PS4 or a PSVR?' aren't likely the ones who will be buying either on launch.
 
Would this potentially bump just the resolution/graphical quality of the games or possibly (hopefully) framerate too?

I like the idea that i wouldn't be in any kind of rush to grab a 4.5, i could keep playing the same games while i save some money for it.

what framerate boost do you expect @4k ?
 
I just don't get this.

Why are they so eager to pull the trigger on a new revision? They've got the best selling console, with the games about to hit. Why not concentrate on a price cut, and with the games they'll dominate anyway.

Hold out and then hit the market with some extra juice, 4K and all that. A "proper" albeit early PS5.

I just don't get the panic of trying to release something like this, this year for Christ's sake. 4K isn't even that big a deal yet.

Exactly my thoughts.I don't know a single person with a 4k tv no one seems to care about them.If it is like a clip on expansion for the ps4 that makes games run at 60 fps i would buy it but if it's just for 4k i don't think i'd be that bothered.
 
I think they would rather have a user base that goes from PS4 to PS4.5XXXX vs starting over with a fresh start of 4 - 10 million in the 1st year.

How is it different than cross gen development? Potentially easier to do, but they are risking the adoption rate significantly imo.
 
Exactly my thoughts.I don't know a single person with a 4k tv no one seems to care about them.If it is like a clip on expansion for the ps4 that makes games run at 60 fps i would buy it but if it's just for 4k i don't think i'd be that bothered.

I think we were saying that about the whole 1080p/i thing though.
 
What's with the 4K gaming in here. 4K Blu Ray I get but Gaming?

My Titan X isn't really 4K gaming proof and we all know the PS4.5 won't touch it performance wise.

1080p/60fps though? Would be fantastic.
 
why do these websites continue with this type of click bait.

do they simply not understand the concept of closed box?

4k output for blueray or video maybe ...

but they wont be updating the compuational grunt of the ps4 at all, vr otherwise.

simply to satify this urge they have to push this story of coinsole merging with PC's in the way of moving to a incremental upgrade policy to the core cpu/gfx platform.

ISN'T EVER HAPPENING - sorry.

and these people get paid to write this stuff ...

Sorry man it's basically a fact by now, all 3 are heading this way, even if it's a 2017 release it's the future of this medium, you can't deny it at this point.

Like it's not even a smoke, the entire forest is burning in front of your eyes, no use in denial.
 
why do these websites continue with this type of click bait.

do they simply not understand the concept of closed box?

4k output for blueray or video maybe ...

but they wont be updating the compuational grunt of the ps4 at all, vr otherwise.

simply to satify this urge they have to push this story of coinsole merging with PC's in the way of moving to a incremental upgrade policy to the core cpu/gfx platform.

ISN'T EVER HAPPENING - sorry.

and these people get paid to write this stuff ...

Delusional.
 
actually ..WHY do these games jurno's continually push this same old story EVERY gen.

i mean anyone who's been around this industry long enough should knwo the history well enough by now to know better.

i mean i'm sure internally sony are fiddling with devices and versions of things every day ..

but simple logic should kick in at some point.

ps4 market share is THE single most powerful weapon sony have, you DONT splinter that advantage for a simple bullet point on a box to cater to the few 4k owners out there. and you DEF do not mess with the platform so that you have a situation where devs have to cater for various grades of power .... N64 expansion pack anyone?

i mean how many times does this come up over and over. is tha pretty simple concept, and wont be changing any generation soon ..as it's always relative.

get a friggen clue gaming press.

I got news for you. Sony has been aiming for 4K since the day they announced the console in February. Software wise, they have done everything to make sure PS4 is 4K ready. PS4's 4K ready status changed when the committee decided that devices need a certain HDMI version for 4K to work, which neither Sony nor every other existing "4K device" were ready for. Every 4KTV bought prior to 2015 are not 4K ready. Every device prior to 2015 isn't 4K ready even if it has the "4K" stamp on it.

Now that devices are 4K ready, Sony (and everyone else) is now pumping out 4K devices. Netflix is Sony's biggest friend and audience, so it makes sense that PS4 needs to be 4K ready.

You're right about PS4 market share. However, PS4 market share will not be split up in any way. It'll be made stronger and bigger, bringing more PC gamers to consoles. Xbox is on the verge of becoming a more stronger console, with Xbox 2.0 being indirectly confirmed by Microsoft. Since last generation, everyone was talking about this generation being the last iterative generation.

As much as it'll suck, I am willing to sell my PS4 for PS4K. The concerns of "OG PS4 being left in dust" may be real, but I believe both MS and Sony will hold the game developers accountable for not maintaining a minimum standard of 720p, a place where we are currently stuck and will be stuck when games get bigger and better. Only a newer hardware will help maintain a standard that matches the thirst for better games. PC gaming is held stagnant and will take over and leave consoles games behind. Here, they can't. Games are already made with an idea of running on multiple consoles with multiple requirements. I bet this standard will have to be maintained, or else gamers just won't buy it.

We have expressed our desire for better games with our wallet, and will continue to do so.
 

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isn't it normal for HW manufacturers to start R&D on their next platforms soon after the launch the console?

it could be a few more years away from launch or even the reveal. the extra long cycle we had last generation would make it feel like a 4-5 year gap seem short. we're pretty much at the halfway point for this gen already.
 
What's with the 4K gaming in here. 4K Blu Ray I get but Gaming?

My Titan X isn't really 4K gaming proof and we all know the PS4.5 won't touch it performance wise.

1080p/60fps though? Would be fantastic.

Exactly. For a 4K capable machine (especially at 60fps) they're gonna have to make that 0.5 upgrade one hell of an upgrade. On top of that, which another poster mentioned, they'd have to upgrade the CPU to avoid bottlenecking. It's effectively a PS5 in that case and it seems to early for that. I'm just a layman but when the PS4 is still selling hot and devs are continuously improving their games on it, with increasing sales, and you're taking a cut out of that via licensing, why cannibalise it before a generational upgrade is needed?
 

You're right about PS4 market share. However, PS4 market share will not be split up in any way. It'll be made stronger and bigger, bringing more PC gamers to consoles.
Xbox is on the verge of becoming a more stronger console, with Xbox 2.0 being indirectly confirmed by Microsoft. Since last generation, everyone was talking about this generation being the last iterative generation.



We have expressed our desire for better games with our wallet, and will continue to do so.

Can you explain the bolded?
 
You're right about PS4 market share. However, PS4 market share will not be split up in any way. It'll be made stronger and bigger, bringing more PC gamers to consoles.

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As much as it'll suck, I am willing to sell my PS4 for PS4K. The concerns of "OG PS4 being left in dust" may be real, but I believe both MS and Sony will hold the game developers accountable for not maintaining a minimum standard of 720p, a place where we are currently stuck and will be stuck when games get bigger and better. Only a newer hardware will help maintain a standard that matches the thirst for better games. PC gaming is held stagnant and will take over and leave consoles games behind. Here, they can't. Games are already made with an idea of running on multiple consoles with multiple requirements. I bet this standard will have to be maintained, or else gamers just won't buy it.

We have expressed our desire for better games with our wallet, and will continue to do so..


1: You may be willing to sell your PS4 for PS4K, but honestly what percentage of the userbase do you see doing the same

2: Sony and MS will hold game developers accountable...for that? Good luck.

Only a newer hardware will help maintain a standard that matches the thirst for better games.

Newer hardware does not necessarily give us better games
 
Seeing as how smart they have been the last few years, I'd hold off on the doomsday proclamations until they announce that this is really a thing and what it entails.

If it's just a 4K upscaler and the psvr add on box built in then I don't see why anyone would have a problem with it or how it would negatively impact existing owners in any way. But I guess we'll find out. Or not.
I would be ok with the scenario you are presenting. I hope Sony keep making smart decisions as they have been making since this generation started.




I think they would rather have a user base that goes from PS4 to PS4.5XXXX vs starting over with a fresh start of 4 - 10 million in the 1st year.
You know, that is not an exclusive feature of PS4.5. They could as well wait one or 2 more years, release a true PS5 that is backwards compatible and still keep their existing PS4 userbase. The first one or two years they could even make it so you could buy Battlefield 6 for the PS4 and use that same disc to play it in the PS5 with updated graphics.
 
Let's say you own PS4 and you can't afford to buy PS4k, Are you going to be happy paying to play online against users on the newer model, running the same games at a higher framerate and/or resolution, therefore having an advantage over you?

I sure fucking wouldn't.

You buy a 2015 model car, you get uncontrollably upset at the 2016 model release? How about new phone interations? Doubtful.

I'm gaming on a 720p TV currently, I promise you I have no anger or jealousy towards all those who play at 1080p, nor have I noticed my kill/death drop significantly due to the resolution difference. The average consumer doesn't care about a 30fps to 60fps difference, and most aren't professional gamers that a 30% image fidelity difference will destroy their ability to play online against others.

I made a $400 purchase coming up on three years ago, I've gotten hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of it, what more should I expect past continued support? An optional upgraded console three years after the fact doesn't retroactively destroy my original investment unless I have really unrealistic expectations.
 
You're right about PS4 market share. However, PS4 market share will not be split up in any way. It'll be made stronger and bigger, bringing more PC gamers to consoles.

PC gaming is held stagnant and will take over and leave consoles games behind. Here, they can't. Games are already made with an idea of running on multiple consoles with multiple requirements. I bet this standard will have to be maintained, or else gamers just won't buy it.

Why the heck would any pc gamer go to consoles for iterative upgrades when they don't have to pay for online and have far more freedom to upgrade their platforms not dictated by a company like sony? If you want to talk exclusives, MS is already bringing a few games over while the pc still comes out with stuff like xcom 2 and tyranny to boot. So that's not really that big of an issue unless you have to play a certain game and even then you'd be paying a hefty price with the powerful system.

If power was what people wanted the consoles would have failed already at the end of the 7th gen and there wasn't much on the horizon. Besides with parity running, it's not like games are moving ahead visually either way. With this it seems things might get moving but there's no way I'd opt for a console where I can't do as much as I can on a pc and have far less freedom.
 
I realize plenty of people have already complained or reacted negatively to this idea of a more powerful PS4 in this thread, and I also understand that nothing's confirmed yet, but I really want to add my two cents on this. I prefer Consoles to PC gaming, and a big part of that is the "Console experience". By that, I mean buying a console, and knowing that any game I put in it will work, and will look and play exactly the same as it would on any other PS4. It's great not having to worry about whether my PS4 is strong enough to run a game, or whether it would be a compromised experience because it was designed for stronger hardware. It just works, and that's awesome.

A " PS4.5" could potentially jepordize all of that. If this turns out to be real, games will, at the very least, run at higher resolutions on the new PS4, and potentially have better performance as well. This isn't fair to the millions who already own PS4's (myself included), and more importantly, it's not the Console experience we expect. I mean, if I have to start worrying about whether my PS4 can run games at a decent resolution and framerate, and whether or not I'm getting the intended experience without making an upgrade, I may as well just get a PC. Console gaming is simple and easy, and I think it should stay that way. Having multiple versions of a console that run games differently is a terrible idea, and personally, I just don't think any good can come of it.


Also, if we're looking at this as a successor to the PS4, then that's equally terrible. Most console owners expect a generation to last at least 5 years, and we aren't even 3 years in yet. This all just really disappoints me to be honest, and I'm not really certain what the future of consoles will be now. It was looking bright up until now (at least for Sony), but now I'm really not so sure. At least, it doesn't seem to be going in a direction I'm really happy or comfortable with, but we'll see what happens, I guess.
 
Let's say you own PS4 and you can't afford to buy PS4k, Are you going to be happy paying to play online against users on the newer model, running the same games at a higher framerate and/or resolution, therefore having an advantage over you?

I sure fucking wouldn't.

What you're describing is exacting what has been happening in the PC space for the last 20 years.
 
Yeah you're smoking serious dope if you think any significant number of PC gamers will flock to an upgraded console.

A PS4K isn't going to do much of anything for the install base either.

What you're describing is exacting what has been happening in the PC space for the last 20 years.
the problem is console gamers don't want to move into the PC space.
 
You buy a 2015 model car, you get uncontrollably upset at the 2016 model release? How about new phone interations? Doubtful.

I'm gaming on a 720p TV currently, I promise you I have no anger or jealousy towards all those who play at 1080p, nor have I noticed my kill/death drop significantly due to the resolution difference. The average consumer doesn't care about a 30fps to 60fps difference, and most aren't professional gamers that a 30% image fidelity difference will destroy their ability to play online against others.

I made a $400 purchase coming up on three years ago, I've gotten hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of it, what more should I expect past continued support? An optional upgraded console three years after the fact doesn't retroactively destroy my original investment unless I have really unrealistic expectations.

Er, what? You aren't directly competing against other road users or people making phone calls. There also aren't esports centred around a honda civic drive to the shops on a sunday, or a call to your mother on an iphone 5 vs a htc one. That makes no sense at all. A lot of people take online gaming quite serious. just because you don't doesn't mean it isn't a point for concern.

There is alot a lot less difference between 720>1080 than 1080>2160. Also frame rate makes a huge difference if someone is playing a 30 fps against someone playing the same game at 60.

Well done to you that you bought a console at launch. Some people can't afford to and only join the gen after a couple of years. Someone buying a PS4 recently has the right to be concerned about a newer model right around the corner, if what we're being told is true.
 
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