How I feel as well. Like people moving next to airports then complaining it's too loud. Gawker has had a scummy rep for sometime, it's not like it's news the boss might do something stupid to harm your career.
Gawker Founder Nick Denton pens op-ed on Hulk Hogan verdict
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How I feel as well. Like people moving next to airports then complaining it's too loud. Gawker has had a scummy rep for sometime, it's not like it's news the boss might do something stupid to harm your career.
Its been a long time, but I don't remember Hulk Hogan telling Mean Gene how he tore the pussy up each week. The interviews I heard with Stern, even before tha tape, were a bit one sided with him deflecting and later disgusted. Hogan always seemed about protecting his brand more than anything.
Such an odd claim.
Such an odd claim.
A Human being having sex is not IMO in anyway newsworthy. Basically everyone has sex, a human having sex is not newsworthy.
What I consider newsworthy would have been that Hulk Hogan was a racist. But no that wasn't published in the original Gawker article, it was mysteriously kept hidden from the public, presumably to be used as blackmail against Hulk Hogan to force a settlement so they could keep the sextape up for hits. FUCK GAWKER
I REALLY hope Gawker loses this appeal. If Gawker wins, what does this mean for revenge porn? ALSO What does this mean for internet celebrities? Could a theoretical "internet famous" feminist blogger that happens to write a sex advice column or something, be subject to the same treatment Hulk Hogan has been. She's "internet famous" and talked about sex. Where exactly is the line drawn?
Famous in anyway, talks about sex = no privacy at all. Is that the society we all wish to live in now?
I often think some European laws that restrict free speech are crazy. But this is where personal privacy and free speech laws cross. Saying that free speech is above all personal privacy is not something I want either. If we as a society want to protect human privacy at all, pictures or video of human genitals and humans engaging in sex should be off limits from the press without permission, EVEN if they are bad people.
We already have certain restrictions on free speech regarding child porn. Gawker and sites like it not being able to publish celebrity nude pics or video without a someone's permission isn't going to end the world and free speech as we know it. If a politician does something shady they can still write about it, they just don't have to show us the actual dick pics.
Fox Mulder
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No sign of regret for burning their company to the ground. Hope it was worth it assholes.
I don't think it's been brought up ITT, but I wanted to point out that legally, public figures (which would generally include celebrities) do in fact have a lesser privacy right than non public figures. I'm not an expert on it but Wikipedia may be a good starting point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_figure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_figure
I'm still glad to see Gawker burn.
This whole thing pisses me off so much. The idea that a racist shitbag like Hogan is going to get any money from this annoys the hell out of me, but at the same time Gawker is scum and deserves to be torched.
I'm not too worried about the writers from their other sites since presumably they would be sold since they have pretty high traffic (Kotaku especially I would think).
I'm not too worried about the writers from their other sites since presumably they would be sold since they have pretty high traffic (Kotaku especially I would think).
It's not really about the punitive damages, which won't be increased.
I just wouldn't have my client saying shit before a pending appeal, especially when shooting his mouth off is precisely the reason why he's in this mess.
timetokill
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No surprise that Jezebel in all its faux-feminism won't call out Denton for victim-blaming, slut shaming, or anything similar.
Sickboy007
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Increased traffic increased their ad revenue.
Look I get this, but really, is this doomsday scenario actually all that likely?
Some people will lose their jobs, but to unequivocally state that EVERYONE is going to be persona non grata and never get a job writing again is baseless.
If Kotaku gets sold off because Gawker goes under then what interest does the prospective purchaser have in seriously gutting the talent that makes it run? Good talent will end up being paid.
LudicrousSpeed
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It wasn't "being hidden", they literally didn't have it.
If you read the post and hit the link to the previously-under-seal filings by Hogan's attorney, it goes into some of the timeline. The segment of the tape that was sent to Gawker did not contain the racist statements.
There were 3 DVDs of footage. Gawker got sent 1 of the 3, and the racist statements were on one of the other 2 DVDs.
Ugh. Reminds me of the shitheels here in gaf who only pop up to defend the right to hate speech.
Mandate from the parent company/ owners/ editorial staff. That doesn't make Jezebel hypocrites. That makes them employees.
DUFFMCWALIN
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I love the idea of Jezebel and some of their articles are fantastic, but for the most part the site is underwhelming, condescending, and two faced to be kind.
"Slut-shaming" where?
In this thing, Denton claims that "single popular article, which carried no advertising and which stimulated no sustained increase in traffic". Sort of hard to evaluate this from outside tho.
Count Dookkake
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I want to see this guy in a soup line.
CharminUltra
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boo hoo, Gawker.
Man oh man do I ever wish this was anyone but fucking racist Hogan
Its the only thing that dampens my absolute joy that this jackass company is going down in flames.
Agreed. So conflicted.
Future Foundation
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It was Daulerio, I believe.
You know why.
LyleLanley
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What the fuck did you call me!
MisterNoisy
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'I lost a court case and here's why I think that sucks!'
Not going to miss Gawker when (hopefully) they're gone.
Not going to miss Gawker when (hopefully) they're gone.
While this is true, there are still limits and Gawker passed them. You dont see anyone else publishing sex tapes, do you?
I just want to remind everyone that everyone employed losing their jobs is on this asshole.
Not on Hogan, not on the court, on the CEO that decided to break the law and ignore court orders and then proceeded to bring flippant morons to the trial.
I'm sure the penalty will be cut down, but truly, no respect for the law at all, huh.
I mean, if they published originally the racist tirade and not a single goddamn second of sex, yes. He'd have a point. It's not defamation if it's true, and even then, publishing unwittingly made recordings is dubious at best.
But as it is, this is just stupid. This moron is burning the company to the ground, and gives absolutely no fucks about it.
It's true that public figures have narrower privacy zones, but denton was trying to imply they evidently have absolutely none.
Not on Hogan, not on the court, on the CEO that decided to break the law and ignore court orders and then proceeded to bring flippant morons to the trial.
I'm sure the penalty will be cut down, but truly, no respect for the law at all, huh.
I mean, if they published originally the racist tirade and not a single goddamn second of sex, yes. He'd have a point. It's not defamation if it's true, and even then, publishing unwittingly made recordings is dubious at best.
But as it is, this is just stupid. This moron is burning the company to the ground, and gives absolutely no fucks about it.
It's true that public figures have narrower privacy zones, but denton was trying to imply they evidently have absolutely none.
Pristine_Condition
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Yeah, saying "I ain't sorry, because he was asking for it" isn't what I'd want my client to be saying if I was an attorney planning an appeal. Dumbass.
This is really the hill they want to die on, eh
100%. I'm surprised more staff haven't left or sought work elsewhere, it feels completely incongruous to complacently work for that kind of company given the moral and journalistic leanings of some of the network's more prominent writers.
100%. I'm surprised more staff haven't left or sought work elsewhere, it feels completely incongruous to complacently work for that kind of company given the moral and journalistic leanings of some of the network's more prominent writers.
Seriously they haven't done that? I know you usually don't bite the hand that feeds you but the corporate heads committed fully to actions that jeopardize their business relationship with them.
Laughing Banana
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Your sense of righteousness is misplaced and all it does is showing how out of touch you are with the realities of the real world.
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
Yuuuup. Totally agree.
Skellig Gra
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Since when is Hogan some uber publicity whore? He's barely even a celebrity. Even if this was one of Kardashians his logic would still be total shit.
I'm sure you'd magically feel differently if your employer did something shady that resulted in the company going under and everyone working for it being laid off, including you.
Most of the people that work under his brand have literally nothing remotely to do with the lawsuit and to basically say "Well, they deserve it anyways" is pretty messed up. It's one thing to say Denton and the people directly involved deserve it, but it's another to say the same of uninvolved people who are just working and trying to be make a living.
I don't know. A lot of their employees came to defend them when they publicly outted that gay man.
Darryl M R
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Slut shaming again?
I honestly can't remember, what was Gawker stance when the female celebrities images leaked on the internet and everything went wild? And didn't sites like Reddit demanded its users not to post them? If anyone can clear up how these two situations are different for me I would appreciate it. But I'm expecting the answers will be "They are women" or "HH is a racist so he deserved it from Gawker's POV"
I honestly can't remember, what was Gawker stance when the female celebrities images leaked on the internet and everything went wild? And didn't sites like Reddit demanded its users not to post them? If anyone can clear up how these two situations are different for me I would appreciate it. But I'm expecting the answers will be "They are women" or "HH is a racist so he deserved it from Gawker's POV"
I know exactly how hearsay, its exceptions, and non-hearsay works. Your post was not clear regarding Bubba's involvement in the trial which is why you got the responses from me and the other poster.
True, but there were some that basically said they wouldn't have touched it either. Everyone that works for them isn't the complete scum of the earth.
orthodoxy1095
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If my employer pulled an out-of-left-field shady move, would I be upset? Absolutely, and I'd have a right to feel so.
If my employer has a decade long history of being a shitstain on the name of "news reporting," and then just added another transgression to a long list of other nasty shit they've done, would I be upset? I guess. But in that case it'd really be completely my problem for having decided to work for such a morally bankrupt organization.
I mean, it's not like this is the first ethically dubious thing they've done. Hell, it's not even the last. They posted that disgusting Condé Nast story just a few years later.
Yeah even if you agreed with their initial stand (which I don't), ignoring the judge's order to take the video down was some next level stupid.
EatinOlives
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I think one can make the argument that the verdict was far too harsh, and that the jury personally hated Nick. It's not a particularly level-headed decision and it's worrying they can do something like this purely out of spite.
However, Denton continues to be a piece of shit as exemplified by the op-ed. He can't possibly think he's gaining any favor with anyone by writing dumb shit like "no forrealz Hogan was totally asking for it!!!" That's certainly not the way to argue that the jury was too harsh on you.
However, Denton continues to be a piece of shit as exemplified by the op-ed. He can't possibly think he's gaining any favor with anyone by writing dumb shit like "no forrealz Hogan was totally asking for it!!!" That's certainly not the way to argue that the jury was too harsh on you.
Pops Maellard
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These people are obviously likely to find more work, but being unemployed for any amount of time is difficult. Even if you're financially responsible, the daily grind of a job search is eventually crushing. Regarding your last point, I was under the impression that Kotaku and the other sites would be shuttered, not sold. That said, more of an assumption than anything so good to know the potential exists.
orthodoxy1095
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I mean, as much glee as I take in the decision, you're right, he could at least make a decent argument that the verdict was unfair and not in the pursuit of justice.
But Denton is an abject moron and apparently doesn't have the common sense to actually pursue an avenue conducive to his own case.
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