Super Tuesday 4. I'm really feeling (The After Bern) March 22, 26 contests

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Citizens united decision was disgusting and gross but weve seen massive amounts of money spent this election cycle and the last presidential election to no affect. A hundred million got Jeb...? 20 million in attack ads in Florida against Trump did...? SuperPACs seem to have leas effect than anticipated. Id be happy with public funding of campaign financing tbh. Better than having the Koch bros decide they want to spend hundreds of millions to sway an election.

So I think this is mostly true with regards to presidential elections. The reality is that even without SuperPACs presidential candidates are going to have access to millions of dollars. They already did!

Money probably has diminishing returns with regards to advertising -- if nothing else, there is a physical limit to how much advertising you can actually buy. SuperPACs don't get any special rates like political campaigns do, so their money is even less effective, to say nothing of the large chunks that end up going to consultants, third-party firms, etc. I recall a New York Times article talking about how, although Obama was heavily outspent by SuperPACs in 2012, ultimately he was actually (at the time of the article) getting more ad time due to better buying strategies and special rates.

The biggest issue with Citizens United isn't about presidential candidates. It's really about downticket races. House Representatives don't really have very much money to spend on their campaigns, with the consequence that lots of people don't really know who their representative is and almost certainly don't know who the opposition is. Dropping a million dollars on a random district is going to make a huge splash.

So more widespread public funding of downticket races would be a good start (and a good idea anyway). If we want to worry about limiting superPAC spending I would focus much less on protecting the presidential race and much more on fighting organizations that target downticket races.
 
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And if we need a further argument that money doesn't really buy votes, we can look at the spending differences between Hillary and Bernie in the last few contests.
 
Im convinced Sinoox is a joke account intent on trolling you guys...he's rolling on his living room floor laughing right now
 
I don't see bringing up random reddit posts as productive.

If it becomes relatively prevalent and upvoted, it's one thing. Random kids being kids and going through a passionate Che phase does not imply "Reddit talking about (...)".


MaysBillyHere should have spent those 4 years in college studying Statistics, though. Oof, talk about misunderstanding how this thing works.
 
And if we need a further argument that money doesn't really buy votes, we can look at the spending differences between Hillary and Bernie in the last few contests.

Or Right to Rise. That $100M+ warchest didn't do jack shit for Jeb. Trump is entirely self-funded, so the only 'big money' in his campaign is his own. Big money from special interests isn't doing much of anything on either side of the aisle this year.

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So I think this is mostly true with regards to presidential elections. The reality is that even without SuperPACs presidential candidates are going to have access to millions of dollars. They already did!

Money probably has diminishing returns with regards to advertising -- if nothing else, there is a physical limit to how much advertising you can actually buy. SuperPACs don't get any special rates like political campaigns do, so their money is even less effective, to say nothing of the large chunks that end up going to consultants, third-party firms, etc. I recall a New York Times article talking about how, although Obama was heavily outspent by SuperPACs in 2012, ultimately he was actually (at the time of the article) getting more ad time due to better buying strategies and special rates.

The biggest issue with Citizens United isn't about presidential candidates. It's really about downticket races. House Representatives don't really have very much money to spend on their campaigns, with the consequence that lots of people don't really know who their representative is and almost certainly don't know who the opposition is. Dropping a million dollars on a random district is going to make a huge splash.

So more widespread public funding of downticket races would be a good start (and a good idea anyway). If we want to worry about limiting superPAC spending I would focus much less on protecting the presidential race and much more on fighting organizations that target downticket races.

The real danger is even more local, a well funded SuperPAC could potentially capture an entire statehouse. State Senators and Assemblymen/women have almost no money to spend on advertising, so even one or two well-placed, decent commercials could potentially swing a seat.
 
There are a couple issues, none of which have anything to do with Hillary or Bernie. Maricpoa County cut down on the number of polling locations in order to save money. That wasn't something Hillary or Bernie had anything to do with. However, there was early voting available. There was no reason someone had to vote today,You could have voted anytime the polls were open from Feb 24th. While I never think it's okay to decrease the number of polling locations, there was still nearly a month of early voting available.

As for the party registration thing, Primaries are party events. It's a closed primary. If you weren't registered as a Democrat in time, you couldn't vote. If you did change, but the records weren't updated (for whatever reason) you could vote provisionally, and then it would be checked against the register.

It supposedly effects Latino heavy areas and they dont vote for Sanders anyway. I think its legit.
I figured as much concerning some of the voter turnaway since yeah AZ is a closed primary, but it was more so stuff like this that I was seeing:
I'm seeing a lot of this "proof for fraud" stuff but none of said proof.
 

Yup these moonbats on Reddit and on some instances on here, that spew talking points fed to them by facebook are just the left's version of the tea party.

Thankfully these people get their bullshit called out real quick on here.

I mean these people seriously believe that Sanders will repeal Citizens United? Lmfao
 
Campaign finance in America was perverted before Citizens United came around. Diminishing returns had kicked in long before then.
 
I feel like Bernie as outlived his usefulness in this campaign. It's great that he's been able to enthuse large masses of young people that usually don't vote. He's been able to steer the Democratic party a little further to the left and I respect those things. However, now it's time to drop out and stop taking donations.

The longer he sticks in and attacks Hillary from the left doesn't help anyone but the GOP at this point. I hope he starts pivoting and encourages his supporters to vote D down ticket for the good of the country. Change in American politics is slow and incremental. It's not ideal but it's reality. If his base can stay enthused and engaged we can flip the house and Bernie 2.0 can actually get what many think as these pie in the sky ideas accomplished.
 
The longer he sticks in and attacks Hillary from the left doesn't help anyone but the GOP at this point. I hope he starts pivoting and encourages his supporters to vote D down ticket for the good of the country. Change in American politics is slow and incremental. It's not ideal but it's reality. If his base can stay enthused and engaged we can flip the house and Bernie 2.0 can actually get what many think as these pie in the sky ideas accomplished.

Has Bernie ever mentioned the downticket races during his campaign? I feel like he doesn't give a shit about any candidacy but his own.
 
C'mon Trump, narrow that gap. We can't have Cruz winning all those UT delegates now.

Interesting note from MSNBC: Arizona is the first closed Republican primary that Big Donald has won.
 
Has Bernie ever mentioned the downticket races during his campaign? I feel like he doesn't give a shit about any candidacy but his own.

He's managed to raise money for down ballot dems.

Last I checked, he managed to raise $1,000!

Hillary's raised $18 million, I believe.
 
The political revolution is elect Bernie

: something something something :

Everything he promised.

We'll iron out the something, something, something at a later time.
 
Has Bernie ever mentioned the downticket races during his campaign? I feel like he doesn't give a shit about any candidacy but his own.

Hmm.. Good point. I'm not actually sure. I feel like he would have to considering his 'political revolution'. How the hell do you even have that without flipping the house?

Maybe someone who has followed him more closely can confirm? Would be very disappointing if he hasn't.
 
He's managed to raise money for down ballot dems.

Last I checked, he managed to raise $1,000!

Hillary's raised $18 million, I believe.
I don't think anyone can attack her or defend him for this either. He's the one running on building a revolution but isn't actively supporting people while she is silently helping a whole legion of people, new and old. I wish people knew more about this.
 
Good point about early voting virtually disenfranchising tens of thousands of people in AZ.

When early voting starts weeks and even months in advance for a race with 17 candidates who end up dropping like flies, that's a problem.
 
If you look throughout Bernie's entire political career he never seems to give a shit about anyone but himself in terms of campaigning.

The guy wants a revolution but apparently seems to think that he alone can bring it.
 
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It looks like cruz has been the only one to get above 50% in one or more states so far. Trump and Kasich can never get past the mid to high 40's for vote share in a state.
 
They might as well call Utah and Idaho for Bernie now. If he wins both of those states 75/25, will he still come up short in the overall delegate count for the night?

If you look throughout Bernie's entire political career he never seems to give a shit about anyone but himself in terms of campaigning.

The guy wants a revolution but apparently seems to think that he alone can bring it.
Agreed.
 
Trump ain't getting the nomination outright. He's about to lose all of the delegates in Utah.
He's getting 1237.

Right now, he's at about 750. After the NE primaries, he'll be over 1000. I mean, NJ alone is massive (winner take all) and he's going to dominate in NY, PA, etc.

And then CA and some of the proportional midwestern states will bring him over the hump.

Trump not getting to 1237 is a neocon fairy tale at this point.
 
He's managed to raise money for down ballot dems.

Last I checked, he managed to raise $1,000!

Hillary's raised $18 million, I believe.

To be honest he's pretty much admitted he's only using the dems because it's impossible to win otherwise. He obviously doesn't seem to care about the rest of the party which is funny considering he and his supporters are confused as to why anyone running the party would have a problem with him
 
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