csquared587
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A lot of people, 4k tvs are cheap now.
Eurogamer: Independently confirms source that the PS4.5 is real, referred as PS 4K
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A lot of people, 4k tvs are cheap now.
There will be a PS5, just like there was a PS4 after Pachter said it was the last console generation and n 2009.
Ricky Ricardo
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Nah Kezen. It's time to sit this one out.
That does not make any sense to me, but I'm a PC gamer so I'm kind of used to tech advancing.
I still don't get how this would be anything but a good move. The basic PS4 model would still receive the best optimization possible especially if the PS4K has a GCN APU.
I'm fully aware my perspective is biased but this sounds like a great idea to me.
Future games would still be available on PS4 just scaled back vs the next hardware iteration.
Everyone wins.
FiveMinuteHero
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I am ok with a marginally more powerful PS4 which:
- makes games work better with PSVR
- makes it possible for games to run at 4K
I am not ok if:
- it also makes games run better at 1080p (high framerate, better effects etc.), this opens a can of worms
- makes games work better with PSVR
- makes it possible for games to run at 4K
I am not ok if:
- it also makes games run better at 1080p (high framerate, better effects etc.), this opens a can of worms
immortal-joe
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Focusing at making Games run better at 1080p is exactly what I need. We can expect actual gains here. Keep the 4K for Media please.
Technology progresses. I remember a gametrailers show a while ago when an ex-naughty dog guy (founder) may by Rubin doubted the PS3 for supporting 1080p because no one had hd. He had just bought a house that was pre-wired with EDTVs.
They need to be forward looking. Technology drives software demand and software drives technology demand.
Gumbie
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lol, define "Cheap"
In the UK we already have BT Sport Ultra HD, and Sky are launching Sky Q Ultra HD this year. Ultra HD Blu-ray is out now, and most TVs in the shops are now 4K, with prices dropping fast. 2016 is the year 4K really starts to take off.
Nameless
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I see the doomsday posting is already starting up. The people arguing against this always seem to do so against the worst possible scenario where the OG PS4 is quickly abandoned, screwing over anyone who doesn't upgrade.
There will be 50 million+ base PS4 models in the wild by the time PS4K drops. 50...million... Making money off these people with services, software, media won't magically stop being the priority for Sony just because they offer another option targeting enthusiasts. OG PS4 owners' experience will not change, besides having the knowledge of there being a more powerful version available. Honestly that seems to be the root of a lot of people's problem with this but whatever, upgrade or deal with it like you do with any other piece of tech.
There will be 50 million+ base PS4 models in the wild by the time PS4K drops. 50...million... Making money off these people with services, software, media won't magically stop being the priority for Sony just because they offer another option targeting enthusiasts. OG PS4 owners' experience will not change, besides having the knowledge of there being a more powerful version available. Honestly that seems to be the root of a lot of people's problem with this but whatever, upgrade or deal with it like you do with any other piece of tech.
Krisprolls
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Would buy if the power gap is big enough and the price is okay (< $499 for me). Already got a PSVR preordered and that would be a good combination.
Games will be made for PS4 though, not PS4K.
Games will be made for PS4 though, not PS4K.
Movalpolos
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The 4K push is starting to come more this year, but yes I agree with you. It would be servicing such a small crowd right now, that It's hard for me to see the point.
Pankratous
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<£500.
Option 3 sounds more like what Microsoft already did with the 360 Elite when it came out. Improved guts (smaller processors, reduced heat and power consumption) and outputs (HDMI) with no impact to games. And IRC that's how they were able to maintain the price point of the 360 - introduce incremental improvements at the same price point while reducing price points of older models or models without HD. Apple does this too with every generation improvement.
So, there is precedent. Doesn't sound so far fetched, but I feel some might be blowing this way bigger than it really is.
So, there is precedent. Doesn't sound so far fetched, but I feel some might be blowing this way bigger than it really is.
ArkkAngel007
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That's the key thing those that say that it's just going back to the way it was. It isn't. With the costs and extra tools available to start with, it's taking longer for devs to get the good stuff out there.
Outside of having a VR ready/preferred SKU, I don't see a real benefit. There can't be much of a gap or base PS4 users are screwed in performance. 60 FPS 1080p will only happen if devs don't continue to focus on pushing graphics over performance. It just adds more costs and a need to now optimize two platforms, which isn't a confident booster due to how many issues games tend to ship with in that space.
^Hoping that it's akin to the Elite situation with VR benefits and 4K output thrown in. Nothing major that leaves a bad position for everyone other than maybe Sony themselves.
They are less expensive than 1080p tvs when the PS3 launched.
4K TV's are starting to become more and more ubiquitous and affordable (relatively speaking). Places like Best Buy have entire chunks of their blu-ray shelves dedicated to 4K/UHD films (more of which are being released every week).
Adoption rates are certainly slower than SD --> HD, but 4K/UHD is definitely picking up some steam.
mckmas8808
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Can we PLEASE first imagine a God of War game on the actual PS4 first?!
shenglongdong
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Seems like Option 3 is the most logical; a slimmer PS4 outputting media @ 4k, little to no change in gaming performance.
Nope. Everything points to a real hardware/performance upgrade.
Megawarrior
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Vizio's
Nah, people are also worried about dev focus with the older PS4. I doubt it's as simple as export for PS4 from PS4.5 file to get the game working.
There's a large possibility those 50m+ owners will start seeing significantly technically inferior/gimped version of games with time.
And that's total bs.
Confused Cheeseburger
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The PS4 is less than 2.5 years old, I wasn't quite sure how to take this PS4K idea. I initially thought it could be beneficial, but I have grave doubts. I worry about fragmentation in the player base, and honestly, it would be kind of a spit in the face for sony to offer no reasonable upgrade path for existing owners.If the system is somehow to benefit less game-centric features or even bump framerates at most, then that's fine. But, if we're in the business of buying $250-$300 new consoles every 2.5 years, the one salient advantage console game had over PC gaming is gone. At that point, I would just go build a PC really.
Exactly, which is why the games will easily run at 60 fps on PS4K. Essentially its the same as a PC playing console titles at higher frame rates. The games are built for less powerful tech therefore the stronger tech can easily run the games at higher frame rates
Guardian Monkey
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Of which are upscaled 2k sources. Christ mad max was shot in 2k as are most films.
The other hurdle is for tv 4k is mostly pointless unless you sit super close you arent going to benefit from it much. Monitors and projectors make more sense for 4k. Tv not as much, focus should be on hitting 60 fps with full effects at 1080p.
FiveMinuteHero
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Can't you use the TV's apps to watch Netflix?
Guardian Monkey
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clem84
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This has been my feeling all along. Rendering those games, with the amount of detail and at the framerate that PS4 games currently have, but in 4K, would take a LOT of power. Even high-end GPUs would have a hard time achieving this. I don't see it happening.
I'm puzzled at what this thing really is. Could be a 4K media box that plays 4K blu-rays and other 4K content, that also has a bit more power to make the UI and the overall experience more pleasant (think N3DS vs. 3DS).
If it were coming out end of 2017 then the 4K PS4 gaming thing would be a bit more plausible. This year I don't see it happening.
csquared587
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You can get Vizios under $500.
vpance
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The truth is significant jumps in hardware power are getting harder to come by, so it's natural for gens to extend. This mid gen refresh is going to be a thing to tide people over.
Guardian Monkey
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This is for video playback.
Dreams-Visions
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Prob.Chû Totoro;199086812 said:
FiveMinuteHero
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Maintenance
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If it just plays Blu Rays and etc at 4k then I'm fine with it. Anything else and I'm out.
NekoFever
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So 4K TVs aren't worth it because there's no 4K material, therefore this device that provides 4K material doesn't have an audience?
Modest Mauser
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Exactly. Even high-end PCs can struggle getting the most demanding games to run at 30fps at 4K.
There is absolutely no way this thing will be playing titles like Uncharted 4 in 4K unless it's going to cost like $800 or something.
The only reasonable thing this could be is 4K media playback/BD, maybe some slightly upgraded internals for VR.
mckmas8808
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Guardian Monkey
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So buying a better PS4 to watch Netflix in 4k would be pretty pointless
Its for 4k blu rays. I think the ps4 and I know the xbox one streams 4k already
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Awesome. I got my 4K tv set up, and I'll be stockpiling 4K discs when this has been announced.
Spieler Eins
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Just be (way) less noisy please...
Just FYI, I just bought a 55" Sharp Aquos 4K TV for $650 from Best Buy. They're clearing out the 2015s to make room for the 2016s, which are coming in the summer. You can find good deals on them if you look for it, but 4K is no longer this mythical thing that costs thousands and thousands of dollars. I mean, it can if you want to spend that kind of money, but you don't have to to get one.
With that said, I have no interest in upgrading my PS4 to something that can just play 4K video. My PC can do that just fine in it's current state. If it can't do 4K gaming I'm not interested.
gaming_noob
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Day zero.
and those angry people will spend the rest of their lives angry if technological improvement makes them angry, even when that improvement will mean their existing technology will be supported for even longer...
Agree 100%. A hardware refresh for a simple games resolution bump is a waste. Lets get 1080p/60 for a while before thinking about 4K games on console hardware where it would be the exact same issues with current 1080p performance. 1080p/60 is the sweet spot for games for now, regardless of more 4k TVs coming out.
