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Discotheque said:
TDKR is a solid 8 for me a lot of problems but there's great shit in there too and I admire the vision behind it compared to other comic book movies that have been coming out

Other stuff:
Dofp 9
Iron Man 3 7.5
Cap 2 7.5
Guardians 7
Ant Man 6
Man of Steel 6
Age of Ultron 4 or 5

Worried this movie will likely end up sandwiched somewhere between ant man and age of ultron or even lower for me.
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Pretty much every CMB for me since TDK has been a 6ish, except for Guardians, First Class and Avengers.
 
Discotheque said:
TDKR is a solid 8 for me a lot of problems but there's great shit in there too and I admire the vision behind it compared to other comic book movies that have been coming out

Other stuff:
Dofp 9
Iron Man 3 7.5
Cap 2 7.5
Guardians 7
Ant Man 6
Man of Steel 6
Age of Ultron 4 or 5

Worried this movie will likely end up sandwiched somewhere between ant man and age of ultron or even lower for me.
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DoFP is definitely the best out of that list but I don't know that I'd rate it above an 8.
 
Dalek said:
What stage is this?
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What stage is what? Because I personally don't put a whole lot of stock in Rotten Tomatoes reviews, I'm somehow in denial or something? Batman v Superman may very well suck to me, but those movies that I think are terrible, saw them all in theaters, scored double what this did. I just don't always trust reviews, I'll see for myself what I think.
 
WordsintheWater said:
What stage is what? Because I personally don't put a whole lot of stock in Rotten Tomatoes reviews, I'm somehow in denial or something? Batman v Superman may very well suck to me, but those movies that I think are terrible, saw them all in theaters, scored double what this did. I just don't always trust reviews, I'll see for myself what I think.
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They're not "Rotten Tomatoes reviews". They're just reviews.

All RT is aggregate reviews from media. That's literally it.

The percentage you see? That's not an average rating or average quality. That is:
Code: 
[Number of positive reviews] / [Total Number of Reviews] = Rotten Tomatoes Score

That's all! It's indicative of how many outlets enjoyed the movie (i.e., gave it a positive rating), not its rating. Maybe it can give you an idea of its overall quality, if you judge quality based on critical concensus.

If you want the average score, there's a helpful little "Average Rating" metric.

For example:
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BvS doesn't have an average rating of 32/100.
BvS does have an average rating of 5.2/10.
 
Ahasverus said:
The reviews are a JOKE. It's like it's a dumb circle jerk of who says the most outlandish film. Flawed? Hell yeah. Badly edited? For sure. Confusing? yep. Good? No. But the antichrist? Hell no.

And the story was good, it tried to have a story at least. Fuck Snyder for botchering the editing, but it's not a disaster by any means. It's more flawed than MoS,but that's because it wants to do so, so so much more than such ambition is nothing short of commendable.

6/10. The Ultimate Cut, if legit good, could add 2.5 points, easily.
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hmmm
 
Ahasverus said:
The reviews are a JOKE. It's like it's a dumb circle jerk of who says the most outlandish film. Flawed? Hell yeah. Badly edited? For sure. Confusing? yep. Good? No. But the antichrist? Hell no.

And the story was good, it tried to have a story at least. Fuck Snyder for botchering the editing, but it's not a disaster by any means. It's more flawed than MoS,but that's because it wants to do so, so so much more than such ambition is nothing short of commendable.

6/10. The Ultimate Cut, if legit good, could add 2.5 points, easily.
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Forgive me if I'm not exactly filled with confidence
 
Anton Sugar said:
They're not "Rotten Tomatoes reviews". They're just reviews.

All RT is aggregate reviews from media. That's literally it.

The percentage you see? That's not an average rating or average quality. That is:
Code: 
[Number of positive reviews] / [Total Number of Reviews] = Rotten Tomatoes Score

That's all! It's indicative of how many outlets enjoyed the movie (i.e., gave it a positive rating), not its rating. Maybe it can give you an idea of its overall quality, if you judge quality based on critical concensus.

If you want the average score, there's a helpful little "Average Rating" metric.

For example:
5Zjv50j.png

BvS doesn't have an average rating of 32/100.
BvS does have an average rating of 5.2/10.
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I know what they are, my phrasing was off. My point still stands, I don't put much stock in the aggregate personally when it's been off for me in the past.
 
I'll be comparing this to Man of Steel (which I just watched yesterday) and Age of Ultron. If I end up liking it more than either of those, I would be happy. On rewatch I realized that Man of Steel was actually pretty good until the final act which was just a clusterfuck. But I thought Age of Ultron was overall pretty damn terrible.
 
Ushay said:
No surprise the user reviews are waaaaaay different than the usual garbage critic reviews.
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Give things with a big fanboycrowd a big doubt when there is a user score. Just look at Metacritic Video Games categorie, where tons of scores are massivly manipulated.

I can see a lot of DC fanboys trying to save the day. Like I said. This thread here doesnt resembles the average opinion on NeoGAF.
 
GAMEPROFF said:
Give things with a big fanboycrowd a big doubt when there is a user score. Just look at Metacritic Video Games categorie, where tons of scores are massivly manipulated.

I can see a lot of DC fanboys trying to save the day. Like I said. This thread here doesnt resembles the average opinion on NeoGAF.
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The average opinion of NeoGAF about movies especially isn't exactly the best metric to go by, at least in my experience :P
 
Ushay said:
No surprise the user reviews are waaaaaay different than the usual garbage critic reviews.
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Sure, let's take the word of thousands of fanboys that rated it over 4 before seeing it. User reviews are garbage. Only way Transformer movies are considered good.
 
Just ordered tickets for a late showing tonight

Never saw Man Of Steel initially due to lack of interest in Superman, watched like a year ago and enjoyed it. I imagine I'll enjoy this

I figured from the beginning it would be trying to do too much and fail (they're starting their franchise with the Avengers rather than building, but the public knows all of these characters from recent films despite different universes)

I like the style over substance directing of Snyder. Certainly not expecting a revelation or anything. I am really disappointed that apparently they have a lame cop out that all of the destruction from Superman is uninhabited buildings. If you have a vision, stick to it. Otherwise you're compromising and not actually addressing their complaints, while making your vision weaker

Despite infinitely preferring Marvel heroes to DC I'm really sick of the format they've adopted for MCU and I'm ready for something different. Enjoyed Avengers 2 but forgot about it a week later. Expecting similar vibes from this
 
Ushay said:
No surprise the user reviews are waaaaaay different than the usual garbage critic reviews.
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There were ~120000 user reviews on RT on wednesday, the day before the film even came out.

It's released now in most territories, and there are... 124860 reviews.

SEEMS LEGIT
 
Inferno313 said:
Yes, it's a good thing that the people who LOVE films so much that they devoted their lives to writing about them full-time hate this.
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Didn't you know? Critics hate movies.

No, wait: critics hate superhero movies.

No, wait: critics hate superhero movies except fun and bubbly ones.

No, wait: critics hate superhero movies except fun and bubbly ones, or dark and heavy-theme ones.

Wait, what was I saying? Oh yeah, critics hate movies!
 
Inferno313 said:
Yes, it's a good thing that the people who LOVE films so much that they devoted their lives to writing about them full-time hate this.
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I just think someone with that mindset is just going to judge a movie differently from the average person.

Like I love great cinematography, smooth fight choreography, impactful stories, and whatnot as much as the next guy, but a movie like this, all I want is an interesting story and cool action spectacle. I don't care about how Batman or Superman are portrayed compared to the comics, I don't care if it's too much set-up for some future movie. And as much as I enjoy the Marvel movies, the grim serious tone here is a plus for me

I can enjoy the dramas and horror movies and such at home. If I'm spending $20 to go to the movie theater, it needs to be a seat-rumbling spectacle worth seeing on a big screen or something like Interstellar and The Revenant where the cinematography and scale is accented by that theater experience.
 
More_Badass said:
The audience average rating (4.1/5) seems to be more in line with the positive impressions here
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The movie had 110k user reviews before it was even out. For reference, that's about as many total reviews Deadpool has.

I mean, it's fine if you want to trust them more than critic reviews, they just don't seem representative of honest opinions so far. % wise it has dropped from 90something to 78 in single a day, again, when the movie isn't out everywhere yet.
 
More_Badass said:
The average opinion of NeoGAF about movies especially isn't exactly the best metric to go by, at least in my experience :P
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Yeah, but then you cant point to this thread and say, hey, this thread confirms that the movie is actually good. It does not resemble the consent here. When all the people who watched would show up in the OT, the picture were much worse.
 
inky said:
The movie had 110k user reviews before it was even out. For reference, that's about as many total reviews Deadpool has.

I mean, it's fine if you want to trust them more than critic reviews, they just don't seem representative of honest opinions so far. % wise it has dropped from 90something to 78 in single a day, again, when the movie isn't out everywhere yet.
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As a whole, you can't trust user review scores for movies like these at all within the first couple of months of release. You have people who give an honest opinion, but then you have a bunch of people who artificially raise or lower the score just because they're diehard fanboys. Like the whole Dark Knight IMDB rating fiasco where people were artificially raising the score to beat Shawshank Redemption and others were artificially lowering it so that it didn't happen.
 
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