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[Zombie James]

Look at number 7

It's not entirely out of the question that this PS4.5 is really just a slim model with HDMI 2.0 and can scale up to 4K. Keeping the same 8GB of memory would make absolutely no sense for games that would run natively at 4K, never mind the fact that mainstream GPU's just aren't there yet.

I was in the camp before thinking that the PS4.5 was really just early rumblings of the PS5, but now I'm leaning towards it being the slim PS4.

 

[draughn101]

Did their hearts get fractured when slim models were released in the past?

These arguments are nothing but people whining. If it's a completely new system that excludes the millions that already have bought into Xbox one than we'll all grab our pitchforks.

 

[Complicated]

Devs need to target a spec, and that will likely be the better PS4, which means current PS4 owners get a worse version of a given game on the same platform. There will not be PS4. There will be a PS4 and a better PS4. It fractures customer base, games, performance, media coverage, you name it. It divides a platform into two systems.

I don't know why you would assume devs would target the higher end platform instead of the base platform that already has 40 million users and then just scale up resolution, framerate, and some FX where applicable for the newer hardware.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I dont think any only-N3DS games have been released yet

Xenoblade is the one that comes to mind as far as full retail games. SNES emulation via VC is also N3DS exclusive.

 

[queequegs__coffin]

The whole naming verbage is ridiculous. It's essentially a PS5. They can throw around all sorts of semantics and marketing speak, but it's essentially a PS5. And with that, all the baggage that comes with it insofar as forking the current PS4 userbase. I wouldn't have bought my PS4 had I known this was coming in the pipeline.

How am I supposed to feel I'm not getting shafted when Digital foundry shows my PS4 getting ram-rodded by the PS4k? Or The Last of Us 2 is optimized for PS4k and runs a silky smooth 60fps there and it struggles to get 30fps on my PS4?

Just at a time when AAA games are coming out on current-gen only, now we are going back to square one? I game on PC for incremental and iterative hardware replacement. Now I have to worry about two platforms? Get bent, Sony.

Spoiler

I might be a bit sentimental about this.I will await not-so-patiently for the facts.

 

[RedRooster]

I can't figure out why the upgrade idea bothers me so much when I'm totally into upgrading my phone often

Me too. Granted, the power of your phone doesn't really matter when there's likely millions of people with a better faster phone and the speed of your phone doesn't make a difference since you're not playing people competitively online where machine power could make a difference.

I'm trying to get my head around if this current state of affairs or Sony just outright announcing the PS5 with huge power gains to be released next holiday would be more shocking/disappointing.

 

[joecanada]

So someone playing on a £500 PC can't play the same games as a £2000 PC? This is the model they both seem to be going for: keep your friends, trophies/achievements, game library, apps etc but just upgrade the hardware every few years.

The consumer now is a different purchaser than when I first started gaming 25+ years ago and I would say the masses are a lot more open and receptive to looking at iterative hardware.

Time will tell of course but I think it's wrong to be dismissive of this going on previous buying habits.

Even from ps3 to ps4 you kept your username, I still play ps3 with friends who haven't upgraded yet, etc. It was pretty much a transition not a big change.

The more I read this thread the more I'm convinced this will work. Everyone in here has to have one. It's either yes I'm in! Or fuck you sony I don't want to buy another! But in both cases they want it just one camp is ready to shell out the dough and the other camp is bitching about it .
The actual amount of posters in here stating meh it doesn't affect me I'm good with my current ps4 is very small.
Meanwhile the average consumer won't even care they'll buy it and say it's cool or they will buy the old one and say meh it's good enough for me.

 

[finalflame]

The whole naming verbage is ridiculous. It's essentially a PS5. They can throw around all sorts of semantics and marketing speak, but it's essentially a PS5. And with that, all the baggage that comes with it insofar as forking the current PS4 userbase. I wouldn't have bought my PS4 had I known this was coming in the pipeline.

How am I supposed to feel I'm not getting shafted when Digital foundry shows my PS4 getting ram-rodded by the PS4k? Or The Last of Us 2 is optimized for PS4k and runs a silky smooth 60fps there and it struggles to get 30fps on my PS4?

Just at a time when AAA games are coming out on current-gen only, now we are going back to square one? I game on PC for incremental and iterative hardware replacement. Now I have to worry about two platforms? Get bent, Sony.

Spoiler

I might be a bit sentimental about this.I will await not-so-patiently for the facts.

We don't know anything for sure yet. Calm down.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

As this gen of console sales and the NEW 3ds has taught us. Nothing is different. As well pc is a different beast as the consumer on the hogh end there are more complexity tolerant. Even there there is a lot of lowest common denominator targetting and doing it all right is tough.

Like I said, time will tell

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Would they both play the latest COD multiplayer together? I would say the masses wouldn't care about any of the above as long as Jimmy PS4 and Johnny PS4.5 can play games together as they do right now.

I can tell you right now that Jimmy who just got a PS4k will mock the shit out of Johnny who got his PS4 a month ago for his birthday. He will blag the fuck out of his parents for one, who may cave or not. Little Johnny will tell his parents how much he needs extra particles in his life, and how it isn't the same game without them. It is divisive. A console platform should never be so, it is their core reason for existing.

I don't know why you would assume devs would target the higher end platform instead of the base platform that already has 40 million users and then just scale up resolution, framerate, and some FX where applicable for the newer hardware.

Because targeting the higher spec means both audiences instead of just the one.

 

[DeepEnigma]

okay so is this more akin to when 360 had their very incremental updates to the h/w like adding hdmi port?

It sounds very incremental update to me, which is OK. Nothing to go crazy over in terms of stabbing PS4 owners in the back.

Seems pretty much how I am seeing it now as well. In their new slim model.

 

[omonimo]

The whole naming verbage is ridiculous. It's essentially a PS5. They can throw around all sorts of semantics and marketing speak, but it's essentially a PS5. And with that, all the baggage that comes with it insofar as forking the current PS4 userbase. I wouldn't have bought my PS4 had I known this was coming in the pipeline.

How am I supposed to feel I'm not getting shafted when Digital foundry shows my PS4 getting ram-rodded by the PS4k? Or The Last of Us 2 is optimized for PS4k and runs a silky smooth 60fps there and it struggles to get 30fps on my PS4?

Just at a time when AAA games are coming out on current-gen only, now we are going back to square one? I game on PC for incremental and iterative hardware replacement. Now I have to worry about two platforms? Get bent, Sony.

Spoiler

I might be a bit sentimental about this.I will await not-so-patiently for the facts.

No, it's not. Again if what they said it's true, it's just a ps4 which output the game with better features. Developers shouldn't work in a new version.

 

[Zombie James]

The whole naming verbage is ridiculous. It's essentially a PS5. They can throw around all sorts of semantics and marketing speak, but it's essentially a PS5. And with that, all the baggage that comes with it insofar as forking the current PS4 userbase. I wouldn't have bought my PS4 had I known this was coming in the pipeline.

With the same amount of memory and slightly boosted GPU? No, it's not.

 

[Elios83]

Indeed I wouldn't rule out that this new PS4 is just a Slim with a few added bells and whistles.
Just like the PSP Slim changed form factor, doubled memory but not for games, and allowed slightly higher CPU clock.

 

[Obliterator]

Yeah I think expecting a jump of PS5 caliber isnt correct. There will be a boost of some sort thats clear but Sony wouldn't make a device so powerful it would make the PS4 and its huge install base obsolete.

Whatever this thing does / ends up doing standard PS4 will still be the target baseline

 

[draughn101]

The whole naming verbage is ridiculous. It's essentially a PS5. They can throw around all sorts of semantics and marketing speak, but it's essentially a PS5. And with that, all the baggage that comes with it insofar as forking the current PS4 userbase. I wouldn't have bought my PS4 had I known this was coming in the pipeline.

How am I supposed to feel I'm not getting shafted when Digital foundry shows my PS4 getting ram-rodded by the PS4k? Or The Last of Us 2 is optimized for PS4k and runs a silky smooth 60fps there and it struggles to get 30fps on my PS4?

Just at a time when AAA games are coming out on current-gen only, now we are going back to square one? I game on PC for incremental and iterative hardware replacement. Now I have to worry about two platforms? Get bent, Sony.

Spoiler

I might be a bit sentimental about this.I will await not-so-patiently for the facts.

Does anyone have a gif of the rhino charging the suv from a few weeks ago? It's a perfect representation of me slamming my head against the wall.

 

[wapplew]

Did their hearts get fractured when slim models were released in the past?

Slim will not because we used to it, a more power PS4.5 would.

 

[cakely]

The whole naming verbage is ridiculous. It's essentially a PS5. They can throw around all sorts of semantics and marketing speak, but it's essentially a PS5.

It really, really isn't.

 

[ZOONAMI]

It really, really isn't.

Even if it was 5 tflops it wouldn't be ps5.

 

[queequegs__coffin]

We don't know anything for sure yet. Calm down.

I'm counting to ten.

I'm counting to ten.

(deeeep breaths)

 

[draughn101]

I can tell you right now that Jimmy who just got a PS4k will mock the shit out of Johnny who got his PS4 a month ago for his birthday. He will blag the fuck out of his parents for one, who may cave or not. Little Johnny will tell his parents how much he needs extra particles in his life, and how it isn't the same game without them. It is divisive. A console platform should never be so, it is their core reason for existing.



Because targeting the higher spec means both audiences instead of just the one.

Then Johnny will learn a good lesson about life. You don't need a Ferrari to drive 3 miles to work when a Camry works just fine, no matter what spoiled Jimmy tells you about it. That's not the reason consoles exist.

 

[Zedox]

PlayStation 4 Pro.
Xbox One Pro.

I'll keep repeating myself until it is true.

 

[Bits N Pieces]

I can tell you right now that Jimmy who just got a PS4k will mock the shit out of Johnny who got his PS4 a month ago for his birthday. He will blag the fuck out of his parents for one, who may cave or not. Little Johnny will tell his parents how much he needs extra particles in his life, and how it isn't the same game without them. It is divisive. A console platform should never be so, it is their core reason for existing.



Because targeting the higher spec means both audiences instead of just the one.

That's cause wee Jimmy is an arsehole, always has been!

Like I said, I don't think my 10 year old nephews who play Clash of Clans together, one on a Fire HD and one on an iPad would care.

I think it's just us enthusiasts who get very enthusiastic over these types of plans

 

[spwolf]

Both upgrades suck but XB1.5 is worse imo if these rumours are true and PS4K is about 4K only, you won't have to upgrade to PS4K if you have a 1080p TV but XB1.5 almost seems like a mandatory upgrade if there is a huge performance increase.

The saving grace for MS though is that they've already released their biggest first party games, Forza has even showed up twice, so while I would still be pissed I wouldn't be quite as sour if I had to buy a new Xbox this early as if I would have to buy a new Playstation where the first party output so far has been a bit too heavy on HD remakes.

you dont have to upgrade at all... PS4 would run same games happily as usual.

I dont get whats so hard to understand.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Something that I think limits the plausibility of the glorified upscaler theory is that 4K TVs all have good 4K upscaler built in. Some better than others, but all of them make 1080p on 4k look better than 1080p on 1080p.

So having one in the PS4 wouldn't serve much purpose, even if it was a good one most future 4K TVs will also have really good upscalers.

 

[Kamina]

What would such a thing even cost?
1000?

Am I the only one who's wondering?

 

[Obliterator]

Am I the only one who's wondering?

Theres no way for any of us to really guess because we have no idea whats inside it unfortunately. Hopefully we'll get a better picture soon

 

[kadotsu]

Something that I think limits the plausibility of the glorified upscaler theory is that 4K TVs all have good 4K upscaler built in. Some better than others, but all of them make 1080p on 4k look better than 1080p on 1080p.

So having one in the PS4 wouldn't serve much purpose, even if it was a good one most future 4K TVs will also have really good upscalers.

Maybe TV scalers add too much latency while doing it directly on the frame-buffer is fast enough for acceptable lag.

 

[draughn101]

Something that I think limits the plausibility of the glorified upscaler theory is that 4K TVs all have good 4K upscaler built in. Some better than others, but all of them make 1080p on 4k look better than 1080p on 1080p.

So having one in the PS4 wouldn't serve much purpose, even if it was a good one most future 4K TVs will also have really good upscalers.

I can't speak to what an upscaler in the PS4.5 would look like, but my JS9000 does an incredible job at upscaling.

 

[Withnail]

I expect if you don't have a UHD TV then there would be no discernible difference in visuals or performance between PS4 and PS4k. I don't think any current PS4 owners should worry about their console being made obsolete.

Sony will be pushing UHD technology hard because it's strategically important for the whole company, as Blu-ray was in 2006 and DVD was before that.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Something that I think limits the plausibility of the glorified upscaler theory is that 4K TVs all have good 4K upscaler built in. Some better than others, but all of them make 1080p on 4k look better than 1080p on 1080p.

So having one in the PS4 wouldn't serve much purpose, even if it was a good one most future 4K TVs will also have really good upscalers.

They make 1080p look better on a 4k set than if you set to 1080p native on that 4k set (scaler off) bUT 1080p native plasma or oled will probably look better than 1080p up scaled on a 4k set, unless it's a very nice 4k set.

Of course depends heavily on screen size and viewing distance from the set as well.

 

[xaosslug]

PS4 SE - the curved grill casing & spiderman font is back! Thanks, Apple.

all these 'leaks' and nothing confirmed by a bonafide insider is seriously reminding me of Sony Too™ and when nothing comes to pass this E3...

 

[Tetranet]

Like I said in the last thread, anybody who doesn't want this just sounds selfish to me.

Your PS4 games will still work. Your future PS4 games will still work. You don't like this cause you don't want to spend money for the best product? That's fine, but why keep it from everybody else?!?

Slim models happen every gen now, and some come with more benefits other than a size cut.

Because he wants everyone on the same playing field, and not to feel like his hardware is inferior.

Developers will focus on what makes their company the most money, if that means doing shoddy optimization work for version x in favor of y they will do it.

It's disingenuous to pretend that they will be giving their all to making both versions perform as good as possible. PCs don't have that problem because you can always upgrade your hardware and force your way through performance issues.

This armchair pseudopsychology is getting tiresome.

 

[K' Dash]

I can't wait to see the first PS4K exclusive, the meltdowns will be glorious 😂😂😂

 

[Kamina]

Theres no way for any of us to really guess because we have no idea whats inside it unfortunately. Hopefully we'll get a better picture soon

But wouldnt it take a GPU somewhere at 980TI level?

 

[Mr. Giggles]

Like I said in the last thread, anybody who doesn't want this just sounds selfish to me.

Your PS4 games will still work. Your future PS4 games will still work. You don't like this cause you don't want to spend money for the best product? That's fine, but why keep it from everybody else?!?

Slim models happen every gen now, and some come with more benefits other than a size cut.

Because he wants everyone on the same playing field, and not to feel like his hardware is inferior.

Games don't play better on slim models...just saying. Your reasoning is shaky.

 

[To Far Away Times]

Two big ifs though...

It could be bogus

It could just be something like including the power box for VR in the system.

 

[Obliterator]

But wouldnt it take a GPU somewhere at 980TI level?

It for sure doesn't have anything like that in it. Eurogamer said there is a GPU boost in power but not enough for 4k. So right now we dont have near enough info on what this actually is.

Heck we are still debating if this thing actually has any improvements to games themselves

 

[K' Dash]

Games don't play better on slim models...just saying. Your reasoning is shaky.

Sometimes they don't play at all 😅

 

[Lady Gaia]

So where is everyone that called bullshit in the Kotaku thread?

Most people I saw, me included, were calling BS on the widely held interpretation that existing games would suddenly render at 4K. I still think that's a pipe dream. I doubt the PS5 will reliably produce 4K 30fps experiences, much less a mid-cycle update running software produced without the higher resolution in mind.

I thought 4K media and 4K-upscaling aware games were a realistic prospect without significant GPU changes, but I'm intrigued by the idea that we might actually get some additional GPU horsepower as well. Just nothing like the bump people were trying to hype up.

 

[Little Mons†er]

I can't wait to see the first PS4K exclusive, the meltdowns will be glorious 😂😂😂

The Last of Us 2 - exclusively on PS4K

The meltdowns tho

 

[dynamitejim]

Native 4k rendering would also require a bigger framebuffer, which means the system would need more RAM or Sony would have to open up some of that 3.5GB system allocation up to developers.

 

[K' Dash]

Most people I saw, me included, were calling BS on the widely held interpretation that existing games would suddenly render at 4K. I still think that's a pipe dream. I doubt the PS5 will reliably produce 4K 30fps experiences, much less a mid-cycle update running software produced without the higher resolution in mind.

I thought 4K media and 4K-upscaling aware games were a realistic prospect without significant GPU changes, but I'm intrigued by the idea that we might actually get some additional GPU horsepower as well. Just nothing like the bump people were trying to hype up.

Current games barely play @108030fps, there is no way on hell this stop gap hardware or even the PS5 will play average looking games at 4K.

 

[Obliterator]

Most people I saw, me included, were calling BS on the widely held interpretation that existing games would suddenly render at 4K. I still think that's a pipe dream. I doubt the PS5 will reliably produce 4K 30fps experiences, much less a mid-cycle update running software produced without the higher resolution in mind.

I thought 4K media and 4K-upscaling aware games were a realistic prospect without significant GPU changes, but I'm intrigued by the idea that we might actually get some additional GPU horsepower as well. Just nothing like the bump people were trying to hype up.

To be fair to Kotaku they never said it was native 4k games. Just that they heard it has "4k gaming". What that means who knows. Maybe they have their own way of upscaling that works really nicely

 

[Art Vandilay]

It's going to be a slim PS4 with an improved processor that supports 4K video output.

 

[amstradcpc]

With the same amount of memory and slightly boosted GPU? No, it's not.

Slightly boosted GPU wouldnt take you even to a 1081p resolution.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

Sometimes they don't play at all ��

First release of a playstation console is ALWAYS the best version.... has always been, will always be.

*Hugs OG PS3 with untouched media slots and PS2 BC*

 

[queequegs__coffin]

The Last of Us 2 - exclusively on PS4K

The meltdowns tho

I'm big enough to admit that I am small enough to have a meltdown

 

[Boogz]

It's going to be a slim PS4 with an improved processor that supports 4K video output.

Bingo!

 

[Kathian]

One of the issues is it Nintendo hardly uses n3DS do you think third parties will on PS4? What incentive do they have to make it better? Instead it will be used to fix problems on PS4 versions.

This is the main reason I don't believe this is for game benefit. It would be a PS5 and leave PS4 obsolete.