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[GiantBreadbug]

Absolutely! I know this from personal experience. Within the last 8 years or so I went from pretty hardcore conservative to where I am now, pretty damn liberal. I got that way from informing myself, in particular, reading perspectives from others, much different from my own. May have never changed if people were actively trying to make me feel like shit every day.

Conversation about these things is a good thing. People explaining why they think Trump as president is bad for not only minorities but the whole country, is a good thing. And I am certainly open to different perspectives on Bernie as well, and you know what? I actually agree with some things people are saying about how unrealistic he can be at times.

Thanks for sharing!

As for Bernie. Yeah, I definitely agree and it's kind of unfortunately along for the ride with him with his message. But at the end of the day, I think he's a really smart guy (who's capable of taking advice from really smart people) and he has the citizens' best interest at heart. That's why he's got my vote, anyway.

 

[TyrantII]

It's also completely possible to know about Bernie, know all of his positions, even agree with his positions, and still not want to vote for him.

That's only not possible if you buy into false narratives on Clinton.

Democrats are generally pretty happy with both out candidates, with some preceding one over the other.

 

[Koomaster]

While I find it detestable to use the example previously discussed, I don't think it should be forgotten that people, in general, are persuadable. So whether or not a person has easy access to information (cable/internet) and might be ignorant of a candidate means people should want to calmly, politely tell people about other candidates they like (but do so like a dang human being obviously, not with belittling and shit).

I've converted a few family Trump votes to Sanders votes just by talking. The people who I talked to, for whatever reason, believed what I said and believed I was telling the truth. That's why they continued to open up their minds and learned more about the government outside of the right's media narrative.

So we should definitely keep sharing our opinions, but it's just unfortunate that I should have to qualify that with "in a peaceful, reasonable, human way."

Are these Sanders votes going to turn back into Trump votes once Bernie is finished?

 

[perfectchaos007]

When are the Hawaii caucus results going to come in?

 

[rjinaz]

That's only not possible if you buy into false narratives on Clinton.

Democrats are generally pretty happy with both out candidates, with some preceding one over the other.

Where Da Donald???

I suppose he doesn't have the political history to place him in this graph.

 

[boiled goose]

A candidate I can't trust not to reduce social justice issues to economic issues is not, in my view, a more progressive candidate. This might help you understand why your analysis is so incorrect.

You keep saying this, yet it's nothing more than a Clinton talking point.

Please tell me, as a person of color myself, what more would clinton actually do compared to Sanders to address issues of racial inequality?

I have an idea of Bernies positions. Educate me on Clinton's.

 

[rjinaz]

Are these Sanders votes going to turn back into Trump votes once Bernie is finished?

Some will. Most won't.

If you are voting for Sanders because he is "anti-establishment" then yeah good chance.
If you are voting for Sanders because you agree with his policies, then, very little to no chance.

In the case you quoted, good chance actually. Fair enough. Still think it's a valiant effort.

 

[Matt]

That's only not possible if you buy into false narratives on Clinton.

Democrats are generally pretty happy with both out candidates, with some preceding one over the other.

Edit: Excactly.

 

[Macho Madness]

When are the Hawaii caucus results going to come in?

 

[nitekrawlwer]

You keep saying this, yet it's nothing more than a Clinton talking point.

Please tell me, as a person of color myself, what more would clinton actually do compared to Sanders to address issues of racial inequality?

I have an idea of Bernies positions. Educate me on Clinton's.

Are you just going to ignore it when he does? That's pretty consistently what you have done multiple times with the same user. Why continually call someone out and never listen? This history makes your question appear as disingenuous.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

Am I to understand from this thread that there are no minority Sanders supporters? I'm starting to think I'm the only one.

as far as hillaryGAF is concerned.

 

[Xe4]

At over 95% in I doubt Washington is going to change by more than a point or so. Overall solid day for Bernie regardless of how Hawaii plays out, 71-73% is definitely a good win in Washington.

It'll be intresting to see Hawaii though. Definitely the wild card of the night, and could give Clinton a moral victory if won, by breaking Sanders streak.

 

[Mr. RPG]

It'll be intresting to see Hawaii though. Definitely the wild card of the night, and could give Clinton a moral victory if won, by breaking Sanders streak.

I'm pretty confident that he won Hawaii, but we'll see.

 

[boiled goose]

Are you just going to ignore it when he does? That's pretty consistently what you have done multiple times with the same user. Why continually call someone out and never listen? This history makes your question appear as disingenuous.

We've had discussions focusing on why i think his characterization of Bernie is unfair. I have not heard from him how Clinton is better.

Whatever I've read has not really been convincing... keep saying it I'll call it out.

Not trying to be unfair. I promise.

You are welcome to reply for him.

 

[devilhawk]

Yeah those comments pissed me off. I mean seriously? "too bad they are voting against their best interest". People vote for who they want end of story. Just like the many White people I know that are voting for, of all people, Trump.

There have been literally thousands of posts on GAF declaring that republican voters have voted against their best interests. You don't get to play this game. It's too late.

 

[googleplex]

That's only not possible if you buy into false narratives on Clinton.

Democrats are generally pretty happy with both out candidates, with some preceding one over the other.

Well, you have to understand. She isn't REALLY Liberal. Just American Liberal. Which is really a right centered, Bush light. True Liberals only exist in Europe.

Spoiler

/s

 

[Xe4]

I'm pretty confident that he won Hawaii, but we'll see.

It's definetly possible, but it wouldn't surprise me to see it go either way. Hawaii both has a large asian and large Native population, both demographic unkowns, which seperates it from the other two caucuses. Also it runs it's caucus differently, which may have an effect.

The one poster frowny Hawaii gave a pretty good lead, so if it ends up being another Sanders blowout I wouldn't be surprised

 

[Macho Madness]

It's definetly possible, but it wouldn't surprise me to see it go either way. Hawaii both has a large asian and large Native population, both demographic unkowns, which seperates it from the other two caucuses. Also it runs it's caucus differently, which may have an effect.

The one poster frowny Hawaii gave a pretty good lead, so if it ends up being another Sanders blowout I wouldn't be surprised

Believe me. He won Hawaii by at least 20 points.

 

[Matt]

There have been literally thousands of posts on GAF declaring that republican voters have voted against their best interests. You don't get to play this game. It's too late.

The difference between Republican and Democratic stances towards polices that help the poor are very stark, much, much more so than any difference between Hillary and Bernie.

 

[rjinaz]

There have been literally thousands of posts on GAF declaring that republican voters have voted against their best interests. You don't get to play this game. It's too late.

Well comparing a minority and historically mistreated race to a political party is not really the same thing. But, I hear you.

 

[Xe4]

Believe me. He won Hawaii by at least 20 points.

Can you tell me where you're using the information to say this. Not doubting you, just genuinely curious.

 

[boiled goose]

The difference between Republican and Democratic stances towards polices that help the poor are very stark, much, much more so than any difference between Hillary and Bernie.

Definitely. Even if you think Hillary like obama wont be good for the poor at all, the rebuhlicans will be much much worse.

Just on tax policy alone let alone everything else.

 

[Macho Madness]

Can you tell me where you're using the information to say this. Not doubting you, just genuinely curious.

Reading the tea leaves and a bit of anecdotal information.

 

[And_Gignac]

Am I to understand from this thread that there are no minority Sanders supporters? I'm starting to think I'm the only one.

Hawaii, with his overwhelming 23% white population, will go to Sanders by double digits. So nah, that's just a tired, time and time again disproved theory.

Can you tell me where you're using the information to say this. Not doubting you, just genuinely curious.

Twitter is saying early results of 68 vs 32 is favor of Sanders. Dunno how accurate that is.

 

[Xe4]

Reading the tea leaves and a bit of anecdotal information.

Haha, good answer. It's all I've been doing tonight too! Hillary lost badly to Obama in 08, but it was also his home state. Not sure how much of an advantage it gave him, but definitely some.

On the other hand Hawaii is a very liberal state, which heavily favors Sanders. *shrug*

 

[boiled goose]

Hawaii, with his overwhelming 23% white population, will go to Sanders by double digits. So nah, that's just a tired, time and time again disproved theory.

He lost badly ( really badly) with older african Americans in the south. He's done Ok otherwise i think, especially younger people.

 

[TyrantII]

Where Da Donald???

I suppose he doesn't have the political history to place him in this graph.

Yeah, he's a wild card anyways. His ideas and nonpolicies are disjointed and all over the spectrum. Antitrade and ordering companies to build in America would be even go the left of Sanders. Putting brownshirts in Muslim nighboorhoods and banning them from entry right with Cruz.

We need a second axis for crazy grandpa yelling at clouds.

 

[devilhawk]

Well comparing a minority and historically mistreated race to a political party is not really the same thing. But, I hear you.

That's fair. My point still stands, though.

 

[LaNaranja]

Am I to understand from this thread that there are no minority Sanders supporters? I'm starting to think I'm the only one.

 

[Days like these...]

There have been literally thousands of posts on GAF declaring that republican voters have voted against their best interests. You don't get to play this game. It's too late.

As a minority myself I brought this up while back. Hil gaf pretty much bloviated 'but but but it's different!' Apparently only poor white folk can be low information voters who vote against their own best interest.

 

[dave is ok]

Am I to understand from this thread that there are no minority Sanders supporters? I'm starting to think I'm the only one.

There are plenty. Don't believe GAF.

Minority Sanders supporters over 60 however... there might be a couple?

 

[Elfforkusu]

There are plenty. Don't believe GAF.

Minority Sanders supporters over 60 however... there might be a couple?

Yeah, minority Sanders supporters who aren't Millenials/GenXers seems to be the real endangered species.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

As a minority myself I brought this up while back. Hil gaf pretty much bloviated 'but but but it's different!' Apparently only poor white folk can be low information voters who vote against their own best interest.

Which minority?

 

[jerry113]

Hey I'm a Bernie supporter. I'm a minority too. Asian here. I know the odds are greatly stacked against us at this point, but at the end of the day I'm going to cast my primary vote for the person whose views most closely align with my own.

 

[Nickle]

Which minority?

Vita owner

 

[Days like these...]

Which minority?

I'm Latino if that's what you're asking.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Am I crazy or are some Sanders supporters spiking the football when all that has happened is a massive 4th quarter deficit has been slightly lessened?

Honestly, I'm concerned about where the election process is headed on both sides. These drawn out processes where candidates just stick it out until the convention seems like it's only going to polarize things more. Like what the hell is Kasich still around for? Hopefully these are just unusual circumstances because of Trump and Sanders and it's not the start of something new.

 

[Steel]

Am I crazy or are some Sanders supporters spiking the football when all that has happened is a massive 4th quarter deficit has been slightly lessened?

Honestly, I'm concerned about where the election process is headed on both sides. These drawn out processes where candidates just stick it out until the convention seems like it's only going to polarize things more. Like what the hell is Kasich still around for? Hopefully these are just unusual circumstances because of Trump and Sanders and it's not the start of something new.

If Kasich wasn't around there'd be no normal Republican in the field. It'd just be a guy hated by everyone in Congress, so much so that a republican senator (who's now begrudingly supporting him) said it'd be fine to shoot the guy, and Trump.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I'm Latino if that's what you're asking.

It is.

It isn't minority intelligence that's questioned, it is very specifically black intelligence. It's no surprise that non-black minorities wouldn't have a problem with that.

 

[Days like these...]

It is.

It isn't minority intelligence that's questioned, it is very specifically black intelligence. It's no surprise that non-black minorities wouldn't have a problem with that.

Personally I never looked at it that way. Trust, I know the struggle is real. Poor people of all races are busy trying to make ends meet and maybe don't have the time to be up on politics.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

It is.

It isn't minority intelligence that's questioned, it is very specifically black intelligence. It's no surprise that non-black minorities wouldn't have a problem with that.

This is messy. I'm black and in the south and the thought of supporting Hillary never even crossed the minds of me or mine. I, anecdotally, don't know anyone who supports Hillary that isn't on the internet. Imagine my surprise when her win in the south was attributed to "the blacks". Can't say I wasn't shocked.

 

[RustyNails]

Where Da Donald???

I suppose he doesn't have the political history to place him in this graph.

Donald is the x axis.

 

[rjinaz]

Am I crazy or are some Sanders supporters spiking the football when all that has happened is a massive 4th quarter deficit has been slightly lessened?

Honestly, I'm concerned about where the election process is headed on both sides. These drawn out processes where candidates just stick it out until the convention seems like it's only going to polarize things more. Like what the hell is Kasich still around for? Hopefully these are just unusual circumstances because of Trump and Sanders and it's not the start of something new.

I mean I guess there are a couple. Here on GAF anyway. Not really seeing it as a theme though. More hopeful optimism than anything God forbid.

Honestly think Kasich has a better chance at this point than Cruz with the party hoping Trump fails to hit the needed delegates.

Donald is the x axis.

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[Thequietone]

This is messy. I'm black and in the south and the thought of supporting Hillary never even crossed the minds of me or mine. I, anecdotally, don't know anyone who supports Hillary that isn't on the internet. Imagine my surprise when her win in the south was attributed to "the blacks". Can't say I wasn't shocked.

They're probably like me. Every time I mention I support Clinton outside of the internet a Bernie supporter chimes in with "Why are you supporting that B*?" or "She's worse than Trump." So I just keep it to myself. Tired of explaining why I don't support Sanders. I imagine I am not the only person that does this.

 

[XBP]

This is pretty interesting

Source


EDIT: first post again, goddammit.

 

[Mr. RPG]

Hawaii caucus results will be reported in about 30 minutes apparently.

 

[hodayathink]

There have been literally thousands of posts on GAF declaring that republican voters have voted against their best interests. You don't get to play this game. It's too late.

And those posts are bullshit too. There's a difference between being a single-item voter and the idea of "voting against your best interest", which is usually just another way of accusing someone of being a "low information" voter.

 

[googleplex]

This is pretty interesting



Source


EDIT: first post again, goddammit.

The only thing interesting about this the biased way those phases are highlighted.

 

[Mr. RPG]

All of the votes in Washington have been counted. Bernie won with 72% of the vote. He did better than Obama did in 2008.

Come on, Hawaii!

 

[gutter_trash]

Alaska is a joke, less than 600 people voted