Star Ocean 5 character gets less-sexy underwear 'in Fear of Western Criticism'
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Sakura
Member
Sure it would be best if it wasn't changed in any version.
But this
just annoys me. Why are people overseas telling them what to change and why does that change have to apply to the domestic version as well?
Trying to manipulate camera angles to see the panties of my party members in JRPGs is one of the few things I enjoy in life.
CertifiedFP
Member
This has happened before though.
Fallout 3 had a bunch of drug names changed to fictional ones worldwide because Australia was refusing classification due to depictions of drugs.
Hence, 'Med-X', and the inexplicable lore-breaking appearance of Jet.
Literally all they had to do was not even say anything and no one would have noticed, not sure why they bothered mentioning it when it was obvious it would rile up a bunch of whiners.
hurricanes
Member
Emm, I am not sure a "sexy" hidden panty where you have to purposely find the angles to see provokes western criticism... Since, you know, people who (try to) glance wouldn't complain.
She's
and it's very mild spoiler, her people age
than Homs(equalent to human). And no she's not a "hundred-year-old dragon" stereotype since age stuff doesn't really play any part in the main story...
She's
88
significantly slower
Panties. The core of Star Ocean 5's content.
AcademicSaucer
Member
nobody wins
When gaijins win everyone loses.
TatteredHat
Member
Lol, I personally have no stake in the matter because I wasn't going to buy the game anyway, but I can understand why people are upset.
Were people upset by that as well?
admiralsandwich
Neo Member
Actually, I'm curious, who specifically told them to change it? Or was it just, "Westerners probably won't like this and account for significant sales so let's just change it even though the might not care either way" ???
Cause I barely see people complain about tity witch as it is.....
Cause I barely see people complain about tity witch as it is.....
SevenTales
Member
I feel like it's a weird storm in a glass of water.
Yeah, I'd probably edit it too when coming in america, because she looks like a teen, and that doesn't fly well here.
But it's common and okay in Japan, so why make the edit there? Actually, it's a cultural import, why make the edit at all?
Yeah, I'd probably edit it too when coming in america, because she looks like a teen, and that doesn't fly well here.
But it's common and okay in Japan, so why make the edit there? Actually, it's a cultural import, why make the edit at all?
Demoskinos
Member
Biggest eye roll moment of last week was that Destructoid review.
whiteninja
Member
Didn't people mostly complain about her face?
KirbYuuYuu
Member
Senrans have controversey, but ultimately, they're for a very specific niche of people, and they don't give a shit about an audience beyond what they're aiming for. Because it doesn't make sense.
Star Ocean has more integrity than to make people lack faith in that aspect.
TatteredHat
Member
It was hilarious in the saddest way possible.
No one did, they changed it of their own volition because of their thought of "Western backlash".
As mentioned, this was literally something they never had to mention and no one would have known. The game isn't even out yet.
Like anyone's really going to bother trying to get an upskirt on Miki when there's Fiore to watch walk around. That's such a completely innocuous thing to change. I doubt a single person in the west would have said anything about Miki's panties if they had never changed them in the first place.
admiralsandwich
Neo Member
I see what you did there...........
The original Japanese mentions "feedback from abroad," which probably means either Square Enix US or EU.
blankempathy
Member
Western outrage about over exposed girls? Well lets make them all into boys then!
Speaking as a foreigner living in Japan ... this is depressing to see.
CertifiedFP
Member
Go spelunk in the cesspits of No Mutants Allowed for five minutes.
"Upset" would be an understatement.
DealWithIt
Member
In this Thread: Lots of people complaining about shadowy "Americans" ruining the the sexy teen panties that literally nobody has ever talked about ever. This is the weirdest non-issue. If the designer had said nothing nobody would have even noticed.
Nothing to worry about, none of the people upset about this ever go outside.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
From the outside, it is odd how western people criticize sexuality in games, while our games are more violent and that violence goes generally uncriticized. We've laughed the critics of violence (Jack Thompson) out of the room in our culture.
I've said it before, but I see the puritan instinct as alive and well in what Americans choose to be offended over. And the "wild west" instinct selectively allows violence to pass.
It used to be that conservatives were obsessed over curtailing sexuality in previous decades.
Now it's the liberals who are obsessed over curtailing "sexualization" (a rose by any other name).
I ain't even mad about it (SJWs hrrrrrrr!!!!) but I'm just saying: we are a weird culture guys.
I've said it before, but I see the puritan instinct as alive and well in what Americans choose to be offended over. And the "wild west" instinct selectively allows violence to pass.
It used to be that conservatives were obsessed over curtailing sexuality in previous decades.
Now it's the liberals who are obsessed over curtailing "sexualization" (a rose by any other name).
I ain't even mad about it (SJWs hrrrrrrr!!!!) but I'm just saying: we are a weird culture guys.
Demoskinos
Member
That's kind of what I wonder as well tbh. I mean take something like DOAX 3 the only people that are even going to buy that game are a very small niche market. Its not like you're losing sales really.
Or even a non-sexual example Yakuza 3. Again same thing the audience that wants that game wants it for specific reasons. You're not really going to break mainstream appeal with the game so why try?
orthodoxy1095
Banned
The thing that I don't get about this comment is that 1) I see almost no difference in those screenshots and 2) They still (presumably) have that green-haired witch in the game, which seems incoherent with their concerns about the West.
Full disclosure: I hate that character and wish they'd change her design too.
packy34
Member
It's still arguable that violence is a bigger harm to society than sexuality, regardless of how its rationalized. The point is that the western media seems to disproportionately go after games that feature one aspect and not the other.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Why?
Just stand in h doujin section at Melon and nod respectfully towards everyone so they know you are one of them.
Works for me fam.
texhnolyze
Banned
Sakura
Member
No it says in the interview that someone from over seas had said to.
admiralsandwich
Neo Member
Yeah, that's what I'm curious about? Like, obviously no consumer knew enough to care about the panties aspect so clearly someone in marketing in management in a Western branch was like, "Yeah maybe you should change this." Why bother even making it public? They could have just never mentioned it and nobody would have been the wiser.
Is there some law about hiding panty alterations in Japan I never heard about? LOL.
Both figuratively and literally.
Maintenance
Member
Congrats on the tag.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
Clearly the thing to do now is to start a petition saying "We want sexy panties too".
I would totally sign it.
I would totally sign it.
Seems to be Square Enix erring (a whole lot) on the side of caution here. Pretty much like Nintendo does.
SolidSnakex
Member
Well, for the starters the reviewer claimed that the game didn't have any people of color in it.
iamaustrian
Member
That sounds almost like rasicm to me.
"you incompetent fucks"
lol
"you incompetent fucks"
lol
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
This is also sort of where I'm coming from. Like, I'll be frank, I don't think anyone was having heavy discussions about too skimpy panties in Star Ocean 5, nor do I think anyone was even thinking about it. This is a case where all the outrage is by him mentioning it. I don't think a single westerner has ever brought it up (I haven't seen anyone mention it), and I don't think anyone would of noticed the change if they didn't mention it.
I almost want to think they purposely mentioned it to bring up media attention, since censorship and woman treatment in games are big debates right now.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
Also, this never would have happened if you guys didn't bitch so much about Quiet.
spazchicken
Member
I agree with all of it. We can be pretty petty and immature when it comes to these issues.
Destroying a body is better than seeing one half way naked, in our eyes.
admiralsandwich
Neo Member
Which is fair, but it just seems so pointless to make it public. It's like he WANTED otaku to get pissed about it.
savage
KirbYuuYuu
Member
*thumbs up*