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[PopeReal]

to me this is like saying someone gets a divorce because outside pressure told them their spouse was having an affair. Is it not the spouse fault for having the affair or the spouse for asking for the divorce?

You can use analogies all you want. But this happened to her and it happens to others. Are you saying you are fine with people targeting others, digging up just enough dirt till they get fired? Dig long enough and anybody is fucked.

Nintendo used information from the very people harassing her. Bottom line.

 

[hey_monkey]

While it's true that some portion of GG supporters are misogynistic, and it's terrible what everyone involved is doing, GG is primarily a backlash against ideals, not people. Let's not get it twisted.

I'm probably being too picky about this TBH

I would say technically you're not wrong. But when those ideals are most often attached to women and feminist issues, or other issues of representation, then the overlap between groups and ideals seems to me to be mainly a distinction of semantics.

 

[SneakersSO]

If Nintendo has come forward in Rapps defence at the right time they still wouldn't stopped ggers spreading their narrative, but they could have stopped the adoption of it in the general public.

The adoption of the narrative in the general public? The only two pieces that have been written on this topic prior to today - Kotaku & the NY Times online article - are staunchly pro Allison Rapp. No one is out there writing hit pieces on Allison. The internet mob did what it did independent of anything or anyone else. If you were around for the original thread, the first few pages were basically "Not this shit again, how dare GG", and Nintendo got raked over the coals.

What public are we even discussing here? No one knows or cares about this outside of our little sub-community. Public perception is not what got her fired, nor was it what got an internet lynch mob to attack her.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

The issue at hand is that, had GG not effectively dug up everything on her while also getting a known Anti-Sex Trafficking group on Nintendo, then her second job would have never come to light and her outspokenness would have not mattered. She'd not have been fired.

She may have been butting heads with some NoA higher-ups but they never did anything to her outright until GG started digging into her life and throwing shit at Nintendo. The reason she was targeted is obvious.

The only real point left, and where you draw an opinion, is if you think Nintendo was in the wrong, the right, or if there hands were tied. I am in the first and third category as I think this shit went bananas for the company when the Wayne Foundation got involved and that thesis got dredged up out of context. I don't think her actual outspokenness and persona were a problem for Nintendo because its not like she's a new hire.

What did they actually "dig up" on her though? If it was something worthy of firing someone over, then they should have fired her.

Lame analogy time - Imagine a bully revealing to a couple of parents that their daughter skipped school. The parents are only parents to the girl, so they punish her and the bully walks away unscathed. While the bully is a horrible person, the parents can't do anything to the bully because they are not his parents and he technically didn't do anything but tell on the girl. Everyone knows the bully is an asshole and everyone hates him, but he gets away with it because he doesn't live with his parents and being an asshole isn't against the law.

 

[LudicrousSpeed]

Yes, Nintendo values its image, absolutely - it is the only thing they really have. They don't want to get involved in the politics of the internet. They do not want to be that company that takes stances on anything. They just want to be warm & inviting for everyone, which is an important thing to be when you're main stated audience is the family unit & people of all ages.

You might as well say "Nintendo is a company that wants to breed unicorns and leprechauns". What you've just described is a literal impossibility.

Nintendo routinely takes political stances, because you can't not take a stance. This is a naive interpretation that has cleverly replaced "non-political" with "status quo". It's used to try to minimize and erase minority identities and views by deeming them "political" and thus out-of-bounds.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

Even if the decision to let her go was entirely founded on whatever her second job was, and it would've happened regardless of circumstances, nothing changes the fact that Nintendo did nothing to publicly support an employee being targeted simply for being a prominent woman at the company. Even their statement tries to downplay the issue, saying she was the subject of "criticism" from online groups. You don't need to involve police over criticism, that's fucking harassment. Regardless of this specific instance, we need to real, meaningful action from Nintendo as well as other companies who try to remain silent while people suffer real consequences.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Better, but we're not there yet. I don't care for your or Tron's generalizations of what GG is because they imply that the backlash is for being a woman in the gaming industry. That statement falls more in line with the definition of racism: That is, hatred or intolerance towards another person because of a certain characteristic (race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc.). While it's true that some portion of GG supporters are misogynistic, and it's terrible what everyone involved is doing, GG is primarily a backlash against ideals, not people. Let's not get it twisted.

I'm probably being too picky about this TBH

Spoiler

Before anyone goes there, I don't condone anything that GG has done up to this point. It's terrible what happened to Rapp, and I hope she finds somewhere to work soon. Don't put words in my mouth when replying please.

The backlash is because she is a woman who holds a certain point of view. If you seek perspectives of men who have been targets of GG, even the most prominent ones will likely tell you that men get away with saying just as "SJW" of things without getting a GG hatemob after them than women do.

 

[Nanashrew]

The adoption of the narrative in the general public? The only two pieces that have been written on this topic prior to today - Kotaku & the NY Times online article - are staunchly pro Allison Rapp. No one is out there writing hit pieces on Allison. The internet mob did what it did independent of anything or anyone else. If you were around for the original thread, the first few pages were basically "Not this shit again, how dare GG", and Nintendo got raked over the coals.

What public are we even discussing here? No one knows or cares about this outside of our little sub-community. Public perception is not what got her fired, nor was it what got an internet lynch mob to attack her.

Playboy now has an article up too I think.

 

[hey_monkey]

Even if the decision to let her go was entirely founded on whatever her second job was, and it would've happened regardless of circumstances, nothing changes the fact that Nintendo did nothing to publicly support an employee being targeted simply for being a prominent woman at the company. Even their statement tries to downplay the issue, saying she was the subject of "criticism" from online groups. You don't need to involve police over criticism, that's fucking harassment. Regardless of this specific instance, we need to real, meaningful action from Nintendo as well as other companies who try to remain silent while people suffer real consequences.

And thanks to the internet, that harassment can live forever in records! Yay! Google Alison Rapp in five years and you'll still think she's a sister-raping pedo if you don't know anything else about her.

 

[Sianos]

Better, but we're not there yet. I don't care for your or Tron's generalizations of what GG is because they imply that the backlash is for being a woman in the gaming industry. That statement falls more in line with the definition of racism: That is, hatred or intolerance towards another person because of a certain characteristic (race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc.). While it's true that some portion of GG supporters are misogynistic, and it's terrible what everyone involved is doing, GG is primarily a backlash against ideals, not people. Let's not get it twisted.

I'm probably being too picky about this TBH

Spoiler

Before anyone goes there, I don't condone anything that GG has done up to this point. It's terrible what happened to Rapp, and I hope she finds somewhere to work soon. Don't put words in my mouth when replying please.

A backlash against ideals... until they harass someone with a given justification of that person being against the same ideals that they are against.

Whatever ideals GamerGate possesses are demonstrably less important than ensuring the ongoing harassment of women. You could frame it as them holding the ideal that women do not belong in the video gaming industry and thus they hold the ideal that women in gaming should always be harassed - but saying that someone holds an ideal of harassing others because of their gender is the same as saying that they harass others because of their gender.

 

[PopeReal]

but if there is no rule breaking no one gets fired. YEs it sucks they digged up stuff and that she got harassed. You guys cant expect Nintendo to turn a bling eye to "whatever" the second job was. As much as the harassment sucks I think she has to take "Some" accountability for her actions... no?

What I could expect is them actually taking a stance against the harassment campaign targeting their own employee. But they didn't. They managed to turn a blind eye to someone in their own house being hurt.

They took the easy way out, not the right way out.

 

[antonz]

but if there is no rule breaking no one gets fired. YEs it sucks they digged up stuff and that she got harassed. You guys cant expect Nintendo to turn a bling eye to "whatever" the second job was. As much as the harassment sucks I think she has to take "Some" accountability for her actions... no?

They punished her for the actions of the hate mob when they demoted her from a Project manager position and designated that she would just be a common cog in the wheel.

Demotions like that are meant to push you out the door. Gamergate poisoned the well over a college thesis paper and tweets that were picked specifically out of context to damage her employment.

 

[Nightbird]

I'm now up to date since I went to sleep in while everything was going down.

So here are my final thoughts for now:

Nintendo's reasoning is actually fair, and I can't disagree with that. However, I find it disgusting that nothing has been done to help miss Rapp while she has been harassed. And firing her now was a very bad idea. This gives GG the illusion of power. And we really don't want to deal with a GG that is very confident in what they are doing.
But that is why companies needs to stand up and say no.
If the whole industry stands up and says no to GG, they won't have anywhere to run anymore. Those guys will continue to play videogames, im pretty sure of that,so when the whole industry changes, they won't be able to do anything against. And their wallets, Wich the industry wants so bad, will be meaningless.

 

[Pyramid head]

"We disavow harrassment"

No you fucking don't, you spineless cunts.

 

[SneakersSO]

Playboy now has an article up too I think.

So does IGN. I meant before the firing. NY Times had an article around the time Kotaku ran their story covering this topic about a month ago.

 

[User1608]

GG is fucking trash. Come on Nintendo. At least speak out against the harassment.

 

[SneakersSO]

You might as well say "Nintendo is a company that wants to breed unicorns and leprechauns". What you've just described is a literal impossibility.

Nintendo routinely takes political stances, because you can't not take a stance. This is a naive interpretation that has cleverly replaced "non-political" with "status quo". It's used to try to minimize and erase minority identities and views by deeming them "political" and thus out-of-bounds.

A corporation can absolutely not take stances. Do you see Nintendo coming out a parading their stances on things that fuel & drive the social media culture wars? Where? If anything, Nintendo has been routinely taken to task specifically because they do not make their stances particularly clear.

 

[Kinsei]

A corporation can absolutely not take stances. Do you see Nintendo coming out a parading their stances on things that fuel & drive the social media culture wars? Where? If anything, Nintendo has been routinely taken to task specifically because they do not make their stances particularly clear.

By supporting the status quo and trying to play it as safe as possible they took a stance.

 

[element]

However, I find it disgusting that nothing has been done to help miss Rapp while she has been harassed.

While yes publicly, Nintendo did little to nothing to mitigate the situation, behind the scenes we have no knowledge of what Nintendo might have been doing. Again, not the best, but perhaps they had conversations and a plan that we don't know about.

 

[CuckFupertino]

Yeah. If they truly did not condone harassment, then why is it that they only say so when such a stance served to try and prevent further controversy from reaching them? It's all well and good to be anti-harassment in theory, but being anti-harassment in practice is way cooler.



These publishers absolutely have the power and, in fact, the responsibility to be the ones to stop this, because they had a hand in creating it in the first place. And what power, you ask? Well:

1. Sony, Microsoft, Valve, EA, Ubisoft, and Nintendo could do a universal ban of people who identify as GamerGate members from online services.

2. If enough companies take a firm stance on GamerGate, it becomes a lot harder for GGers to play games while also boycotting the companies that oppose them (which many try and do).

3. A company that takes a firm stance against GamerGate is less likely to see its employees targeted, because the companies are less likely to give in to GamerGate's demands and harassment.

I hate GamerGate as much as anyone but what you're suggsting is ridiculous.

How does a company identify who is and isn't a GamerGate supporter? Being a "GGer" is a system of beliefs. Like anything, there's a spectrum. Where would we draw the line? At 1/10th blood quantum GG? Do we ask people to classify themselves, and then punish them based on self identification?

No, you can't "ban" these people. In fact, these people *should* have a chance to be heard. That's how a democratic society should work. Hopefully once society hears their stance (as we have), we can have discourse. People can stop and sit down and write or talk about why they disagree with GG's beliefs. We can even stop and try to determine what systems we can put in place to shine a light on these problems (Internet mob harassment, sexism, etc.).

By not giving GG a voice we aren't shining a light under the rug to see all the nasty shit in there.

 

[A Link to the Past]

While yes publicly, Nintendo did little to nothing to mitigate the situation, behind the scenes we have no knowledge of what Nintendo might have been doing. Again, not the best, but perhaps they had conversations and a plan that we don't know about.

And until Nintendo reveals a plan, I'm going to assume that they're just as cowardly as all of the other publishers.

I hate GamerGate as much as anyone but what you're suggsting is ridiculous.

How does a company identify who is and isn't a GamerGate supporter? Being a "GGer" is a system of beliefs. Like anything, there's a spectrum. Where would we draw the line? At 1/10th blood quantum GG? Do we ask people to classify themselves, and then punish them based on self identification?

No, you can't "ban" these people. In fact, these people *should* have a chance to be heard. That's how a democratic society should work. Hopefully once society hears their stance (as we have), we can have discourse. People can stop and sit down and write or talk about why they disagree with GG's beliefs. We can even stop and try to determine what systems we can put in place to shine a light on these problems (Internet mob harassment, sexism, etc.).

By not giving GG a voice we aren't shining a light under the rug to see all the nasty shit in there.

If you openly support GamerGate or identify as a GamerGate on a profile attached to your account, you get fucked. Sounds simple, don't you think?

And no, there's no value in hearing what GG has to say, no more than someone from the Klan.

 

[SneakersSO]

GG is fucking trash. Come on Nintendo. At least speak out against the harassment.

Nintendo did, when speaking to IGN & giving them a comment on this story.

 

[Balb]

GG is fucking trash. Come on Nintendo. At least speak out against the harassment.

Yeah, regardless of whether you think she should have been fired or not, the harassment she had to endure was bullshit and Nintendo should have backed her. This won't be the last time a female employee at Nintendo will be harassed. They set a bad precedent by doing nothing.

 

[fernoca]

I can't say i'm too surprised to hear of this news from Nintendo, not after they hired noted homophobe Adam Baldwin and coiner of the hate mob's infamous name that originally linked to a libelous and downright disgusting video for Code Name S.T.E.A.M., a game which I own but refuse to touch and would have returned had I not opened it mere moments before being notified of their decision to have him voice the main character and, presumably, hide his inclusion due to any criticism they might receive over it given everything Baldwin had said and done at the time of the game's release. It doesn't make the reality of the situation any less infuriating, but I digress.

Wasn't that just a coincidence?
The voiceovers were done before he coined the name. He did in August 2014 game was released on March 2015. Heck people still love his work on Serenity/Firefly so is not like his homophobic stance and other things were known when he was contracted for voicework in Steam. Even Joss Whedon admitted been surprised by Adam despite working together for years.

And considering the release of the game, it probably would've been too much trouble and not cost effective to hire someone new re-record the lines.

 

[hey_monkey]

I'm just gonna go ahead and say, too, that I'd never want to be judged for my undergrad work. At the line level, hers is pretty well written, but it's so LOLEDGY! and YAYJAPAN wrapped around arguments that are not uncommon. It kills me that this woman's life is being torn down and that's part of the ammo that's getting used: a goddamned piece of undergrad research.

 

[00ich]

Better, but we're not there yet. I don't care for your or Tron's generalizations of what GG is because they imply that the backlash is for being a woman in the gaming industry. That statement falls more in line with the definition of racism: That is, hatred or intolerance towards another person because of a certain characteristic (race, ethnicity, sexuality, etc.). While it's true that some portion of GG supporters are misogynistic, and it's terrible what everyone involved is doing, GG is primarily a backlash against ideals, not people. Let's not get it twisted.

I'm probably being too picky about this TBH

gg is what it is and how "it" acts, not what some want it to be. If "it" is firmly against harassment it does a terrible job of distancing itself from it. "guilt by association" is only a fallacy against individuals, not if dealing with groups that are defined solely by association.

 

[CuckFupertino]

Nintendo did, when speaking to IGN & giving them a comment on this story.

Nintendo saying they denounce online harassment right now is like a politician saying he's pro-family. That's not a "stance," nobody is anti-family and Nintendo would never say they support harassment.

Their words are empty for the look of things, however.

 

[FireVoa]

I don't agree with her opinions regarding touchy subject matter she believes/advocates. Especially when they are harmful to her as an employee of Nintendo who she's representing. The company will protect its image and the social media game is a vicious machine that no one at any business should be caught up in. This is definitive proof that GGers will find any opening and exploit it as we've come to expect. You cannot leave an opening like that when you delve into social media platforms, even in your spare time off company time. GGers arent on a clock... Especially when what you say these people use to destroy you.

 

[User1608]

Nintendo did, when speaking to IGN & giving them a comment on this story.

Not enough.

Yeah, regardless of whether you think she should have been fired or not, the harassment she had to endure was bullshit and Nintendo should have backed her. This won't be the last time a female employee at Nintendo will be harassed. They set a bad precedent by doing nothing.

Indeed. I hope something can be done about these lowlife losers. They are. They're pathetic. They're committing disproportionate retribution over videogames. So much bs. Makes me really angry.

 

[element]

No, you can't "ban" these people. In fact, these people *should* have a chance to be heard. That's how a democratic society should work.

But these systems that you are agreeing to be on aren't 'democratic societies' they are a service provided by a company with their own terms of service. It would be difficult to prevent signing up on any platform, but once an action is taking that is called out in the TOS, a counter action can and should be taken. Either it be ban or suspension based on email, IP address, MAC address, etc etc.

And until Nintendo reveals a plan, I'm going to assume that they're just as cowardly as all of the other publishers.

A general online safety plan or how they possibility helped in this situation?

very true... and I ask did she go to Nintendo and bring up these situations. I did not follow everything but these harassments happened on social media correct? is it Nintendo job to follow their employees on social media sites and know what is going on?

I'm sure just based on the attention and size of the company that once the GG threats became substantive that it elevated within the company either by her bringing it to their attention or their social team elevated it. Nintendo like many companies has social media code of conduct for their employees. Depending on the company this could be as simple as a guidelines on what you can and can not say directly related to the company. While other companies will actually require you to provide links to all your social media accounts either to be audited for content that could be detrimental to the company, even if posted prior to your employment. Most companies with public facing employees are monitored to some degree.

 

[manfestival]

I'm sorry, what's an appropriate reaction, then? What's that look like? Who measures it? What's the objective rubric there?

I'm gonna just go on and react with as much disgust as I feel is appropriate, but you do you.

Well people get fired all of the time for many reasons and definitely for similar reasons and they never get this sorta pandering. Typically you get fired for a reason and you gotta deal with it. This person probably was aware of her actions and did not blindly go into this and clearly was begging for attention which she got in buckets. Maybe I am jaded because I have seen plenty of people come and go and be in hard positions before but its just one of those "deal with it" things.

That's like watching someone pull the trigger of a gun pointed at another human, watching the victim get shot, and then arguing you can't blame the shooter because you didn't see the bullet.

that is terrible and horribly incorrect logic

 

[SneakersSO]

By supporting the status quo and trying to play it as safe as possible they took a stance.

Who is the status quo here??? GG? Firing Allison Rapp doesn't support GG. Heck, it doesn't even support them indirectly, as she was one of the people within Treehouse that actually liked the content that got removed that GG wanted to see kept in tact. The industry's reaction, whenever GG gets brought up, is to decry them. They are gaming public enemy no.1 as far as many publishers and developers are concerned. So I don't understand how they could be the status quo in any regard.

Playing it as safe as possible, particularly when dealing with the issue of a public facing employee who is currently being harassed online, isn't just what they desire to do, its also likely in their legal best interest to do so. The last thing they would want to do is put themselves in a position where they are legally liable for anything.

 

[Kinsei]

Nintendo did, when speaking to IGN & giving them a comment on this story.

Too little and far too late.

]Who is the status quo here??? GG?[/b] Firing Allison Rapp doesn't support GG. Heck, it doesn't even support them indirectly, as she was one of the people within Treehouse that actually liked the content that got removed that GG wanted to see kept in tact. The industry's reaction, whenever GG gets brought up, is to decry them. They are gaming public enemy no.1 as far as many publishers and developers are concerned. So I don't understand how they could be the status quo in any regard.

Playing it as safe as possible, particularly when dealing with the issue of a public facing employee who is currently being harassed online, isn't just what they desire to do, its also likely in their legal best interest to do so. The last thing they would want to do is put themselves in a position where they are legally liable for anything.

Yes. They're too scared to actually say anything of substance because they're too worried about their bottom line while people are being hurt.

 

[CuckFupertino]

And until Nintendo reveals a plan, I'm going to assume that they're just as cowardly as all of the other publishers.



If you openly support GamerGate or identify as a GamerGate on a profile attached to your account, you get fucked. Sounds simple, don't you think?

And no, there's no value in hearing what GG has to say, no more than someone from the Klan.

I'm not asking you to subscribe to their monthly newsletters. I am advocating for the first amendment protection of free speech however. You can't take that away from one group because you don't like what they say. It's a slippery slope, and you might be next.

 

[antonz]

Who is the status quo here??? GG? Firing Allison Rapp doesn't support GG. Heck, it doesn't even support them indirectly, as she was one of the people within Treehouse that actually liked the content that got removed that GG wanted to see kept in tact. The industry's reaction, whenever GG gets brought up, is to decry them. They are gaming public enemy no.1 as far as many publishers and developers are concerned. So I don't understand how they could be the status quo in any regard.

Playing it as safe as possible, particularly when dealing with the issue of a public facing employee who is currently being harassed online, isn't just what they desire to do, its also likely in their legal best interest to do so. The last thing they would want to do is put themselves in a position where they are legally liable for anything.

The Industry needs to grow a pair and flat out tell GG. We don't want your business or anything to do with you. Tell them to fuck off right back to their sewer.

One of the major GG hubs is filled with nothing but people cheering Nintendo and how they will have to buy Nintendo products now to support Nintendo's action. Nintendo should make a very clear no bullshit we don't want or support you

 

[mjp2417]

A corporation can absolutely not take stances.

Wot? They can and do all the time.

 

[Nerokis]

I guess it's fair to say Alison has walked a relatively thin line for awhile, in terms of her public persona, her secondary activities, and her responsibilities as a Nintendo representative. Still, everything seemed to be working out perfectly fine for everyone. She's done a good job representing Nintendo at official events, and I would bet her overall presence on social media has been a net plus for Nintendo's reputation.

Things became untenable when GG created a toxic environment around her. As a corporation, there's a low threshold for justifying firing an employee. Nonetheless, the reality is that Nintendo did little to nothing to deter the harassment Alison has been receiving, took the exact steps the harassers desired, and contributed to a world in which being an outspoken individual who dares to have a worldview leaves one vulnerable to being toppled the moment a hate group takes issue with that worldview.

People liked Alison. From one point of view, it is of course not surprising to see she ended up not lasting within Nintendo's corporate culture. But most indications up to now have been that she was good at her job, beloved, and suited Nintendo's recent efforts to become more inclusive and modern. There was nothing inevitable about her being fired; in fact, nothing about how this situation unfolded was inevitable. This is a sad outcome. Nintendo has become an inadvertent participant in encouraging the worst within people, and Alison didn't deserve a single shred of this.

I'm among the people who saw Alison got fired, and responded with a knee-jerk, blind rage directed at Nintendo. It's worth taking a step back and acknowledging we're missing various details. Nintendo doesn't have to be evil, awful, or whatever else to have made this decision. But it's still a shame, it's still disappointing, and I'm inclined to think it's also wrongheaded. Perhaps we are lacking the social infrastructure to handle situations like this properly. Maybe the industry is too immature, maybe this is yet another indication of Nintendo's backwardness. Whatever the case, Nintendo could have handled this much better, and their decision leaves us that much further from seeing an end to GG as an entity with power.

 

[SneakersSO]

Too little and far too late.

Saying anything earlier would've changed absolutely nothing except make this issue an even bigger one. And what is too little? What exactly would be enough to appease you in this case? Prostrate themselves? Apologize to Allison? For what, exactly? They clearly found fault in whatever got brought up, hence why she was let go. It wasn't like GG bribed or extorted Nintendo into doing this.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I'm not asking you to subscribe to their monthly newsletters. I am advocating for the first amendment protection of free speech however. You can't take that away from one group because you don't like what they say. It's a slippery slope, and you might be next.

An organized hate group that has on multiple occasions put people at risk of death does not have normal free speech protections. Publishers are not required to grant a hate group access to their services.

 

[Vinland]

In court there's evidence that doesn't count because of the means used to acquire it.

And that has nothing to do with what you quoted. Her being fired, Nintendo firing her NOR the sociopath who outed her extracurricular career to Nintendo have criminal weight behind them. Sorry they just don't.

I find it interesting that people seem to keep mentioning how Nintendo should have defended their employee during the attacks. I am genuinely curious as to what people think should have done. Why is it an employers position to defend her? Because she is a woman? Because it was gamergate?

It seems like, to me, people are calling on companies to join the fight against GG. Is that really viable? How is Nintendo going to fight a vaporous movement like a hashtag campaign. It is not like what Disney and Marvel did vs Georgia, the US state, when a law was passed that would violate civil liberties of theLGBT community. Governor vetoed the law after Disney, Marvel and AMC threatened to leave among others.

What can Nintendo do, except violate their own corporate rules are be forced to change them for each case like this. Sounds to me like a platform for corporate terrorism is easily exploitable if you go down that path. Let's not even bring up the fact that some GGers are paying customers. So Nintendo is in between a rock and a hard place here. Publically Stand up against a specific group of mysogonist customers to appease anti mysogonist customer risking boycott or adhere to internal policy and risk boycott from the anti mysogonist group group. I despise GG but I'd actually adhere to internal policy and risk the ire of neogaf tbh. Pandora's box is easily opened but troublesome to shut.

It is also troublesome that people want to boycott a product manufacturer for terminating an employee after giving her ample time to conform to corporate sensibilities at least when publically representing them. The only states I've lived in were right to work. They can fire you over your shoes being dirty but they can still be on the hook for unemployment if it was bullshit.

Nintendo certainly don't seem in the wrong here. It is sad she got snitched on by a sociopath. It is a frightening new world we live in and it's a Wild West with lots of emerging facets of social interactions.

I hope she lands in a place that welcomes her for who she is and will be and ignores the noise of Twitter hate groups.

 

[SneakersSO]

Wot? They can and do all the time.

There are plenty of corporations that DO take stances. But it is well within a corporation's interests to take no stances on things if they do not desire to become mired in whatever it is.

 

[redcrayon]

Minor point but is it a U.S. corporate thing to say that 'x person has been terminated'? It sounds like they've been killed, wouldn't 'x person's contract has been ended/terminated' or 'x no longer works here' be better?

It sounds like a HR department trying to de-personalise or remove the negative connotations of 'fired' but making it sound even worse in the process. If my employer said in a press release that 'redcrayon has been terminated', my family and friends might start wondering where I was!

 

[PopeReal]

Well people get fired all of the time for many reasons and definitely for similar reasons and they never get this sorta pandering. Typically you get fired for a reason and you gotta deal with it. This person probably was aware of her actions and did not blindly go into this and clearly was begging for attention which she got in buckets. Maybe I am jaded because I have seen plenty of people come and go and be in hard positions before but its just one of those "deal with it" things.

that is terrible and horribly incorrect logic

Just remember, if you are a target of online harassment out to ruin your life, just deal with it!

I love how some of you continually ignore how this all came about and try to find what she did wrong.

 

[slapnuts]

Obviously Nintendo knows more than any of us here...no? I really don't like this woman at all from the past. I know she's pretty fierce in standing up for what she believes in but she's gotta understand others out there are "more" fierce in what they believe in. What ever the facts are...I would feel inclined to believe Nintendo did the right thing and this is not taking in account to the near naked photo shoots she did in Feb..if that is what this stems from outside of her pro-child porn stance....Then im for it as a parent. In no way would i want my children around such role models what so ever.

I am all for people speaking their minds and standing up for what they believe but there comes a time when using "good judgement" means success or downfall...but forget all that...there comes a time when "moral" judgement means good role model or bad role model and Alison seemingly couldn't put her personal beliefs aside for the sake of children. Sorry but this woman always left a bad taste in my mouth and still does today.

I just get this feeling some vocal people are easily able to dish out the heat but unable to take in the heat. There are consequences in this world, indeed there is. What goes around comes around. Deep inside my heart, i have a very soft spot for children, especially children that i know personally that were abused and taken advantage of where photo's were taken for demented reasons. So for someone from Nintendo to stand behind child porn...gives me the creeps and puts a lot of anger in me. She should of expected she had it coming and coming and coming for what she was spouting. Read her thesis, if you have not. She never deserved that job at Nintendo.

I believe Karma is real and i believe Karma played it's role.

 

[hey_monkey]

clearly was begging for attention which she got in buckets.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure she wanted this. I mean, who doesn't? Suck it up, Rapp, just deal with it.

 

[bananafactory]

Minor point but is it a U.S. corporate thing to say that 'x person has been terminated'? It sounds like they've been killed, wouldn't 'x person's contract has been ended/terminated' or 'x no longer works here' be better?

It sounds like a HR department trying to de-personalise or remove the negative connotations of 'fired' but making it sound even worse in the process. If my employer said in a press release that 'redcrayon has been terminated', my family and friends might start wondering where I was!

Might be a north american thing. Here in Canada we also call them terminations.

 

[sainrub]

I can't understand
What makes a man
Hate another man
Help me understand

 

[brickarts295]

Can someone explain to me what she did to Fates and Xenoblade to get people so work up about her?

 

[redcrayon]

Might be a north american thing. Here in Canada we also call them terminations.

Fair enough. You get 'termination of contract of employment' as a phrase here, I've just not seen 'x has been terminated' before.

 

[manfestival]

Just remember, if you are a target of online harassment out to ruin your life, just deal with it!

I love how some of you continually ignore how this all came about and try to find what she did wrong.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure she wanted this. I mean, who doesn't? Suck it up, Rapp, just deal with it.

I am not referring to the unfortunate slander however she clearly is using it as fuel for the fire. It is a knee jerk reaction that I am sure everyone would make and you guys are clearly hanging onto it without knowing the actual facts to her firing. I don't think anyone is actually ignoring this and assuming that it is being ignored isn't doing you guys any favors(though it is convenient). However, if you are an insider and work in the HR department for nintendo then I will take my seat and shut up.