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[Demise]

The saddest takeaway from all of this is that people can unwittingly join a mob created by a misogynistic hate group, do some mental gymnastics to believe it's for the sake of ethics in game journalism protecting children, then afterwards spin the circumstances around to make it seem as if it's entirely her fault that she's always had coming, so nobody has to feel bad about doing their part in destroying her life.

I can barely wait for a few weeks from now when it happens to another female developer, and is just as successful.

Female ? What does it have to do gender ? You think only woman get harassed over internet ?

It has nothing to do with gender. I can ensure you right here, right now that a male who brags about lower age of consent and child pornography on social media, regardless of his goodwill will get under on pile of shit the day after. Unless they won't be some knightguard defense force to defend him.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Alison was most definitely harassed by GG while Nintendo said nothing. What needs to be confirmed?

No, I am saying that I didnt know. Information for my own sake, thats all.

 

[TheWorst]

What did Nintendo not do that they should have?

They neglected to defend their employee and condemn an internet hate mob that has been a significant problem for quite a while now. I think what you and others need to get is that it's not just Nintendo. It's ridiculous at this point that at least one of the big three haven't started any real initiatives to help prevent GG garbage. They have the power to influence change and they need to start using it.

 

[Huff]

By doing what?

"Nintendo should fix online harassment"

Lolokay

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Where were you when all this was going on? I blame you for not sticking up for Alison sooner, this all could've been avoided it you'd just done your part.

Nintendo = 1 person (apparently).

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197295670&postcount=145
along with my other post in that thread.
But please continue to be idiot.

 

[TheLastCandle]

Such a shitty mess of a story.

Feel so bad for her, but at the same time I see why Nintendo did what it did even if it wasn't handled as well as we all would have liked.

I honestly haven't paid a lot of attention to the whole GG thing. But if this is what they do, I feel guilty for not paying attention. What fucking fucks.

 

[Demise]

They neglected to defend their employee and condemn an internet hate mob that has been a significant problem for quite a while now. I think what you and others need to get is that it's not just Nintendo. It's ridiculous at this point that at least one of the big three haven't started any real initiatives to help prevent GG garbage. They have the power to influence change and they need to start using it.

You seriousely think people would listen to Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft when moral is involved ? Capitalist companies that main purpose is milking people over ? Hmmm.

 

[Hatty]

Nope, I'll continue to drag to Nintendo for this. For reasons I have explained again and again. Gamergate may have done the harassment but Nintendo allowed it to happen and now has condoned it.

What was Nintendo supposed to do? Knock on the harassers door and tell them to be nice? We've seen in the past that the company taking a stance only strengthens the resolve of the harassers

 

[Huff]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197295670&postcount=145
along with my other post in that thread.
But please continue to be idiot.

So if Nintendo had just posted on a message board everything would have been fine?

 

[moondoggerr]

Female ? What does it have to do gender ? You think only woman get harassed over internet ?

It has nothing to do with gender. I can ensure you right here, right now that a male who brags about lower age of consent and child pornography on social media, regardless of his goodwill will get under on pile of shit the day after. Unless they won't be some knightguard defense force to defend him.

And here we go again.

 

[fernoca]

They neglected to defend their employee and condemn an internet hate mob that has been a significant problem for quite a while now. I think what you and others need to get is that it's not just Nintendo. It's ridiculous at this point that at least one of the big three haven't started any real initiatives to help prevent GG garbage. They have the power to influence change and they need to start using it.

Neither them or the media.
People in the media are also quick to point fingers now, yet through this years outside a few reports they literally ignore the topic.

Alison was at E3 last year. How many sat down with her and interviewed her about how she was and just general stuff. But the focus was Nintendo's crappy showing. Everyone was reporting about Starfox Zero underwhelming visuals...or how Devil's Third was missing. Yet there she was...and noone cared.

Yet Nintendo was the only one that did nothing.

 

[TheWorst]

By doing what?

"Nintendo should fix online harassment"

Lolokay

Are you for real? That's not what I'm saying. I don't expect anybody to magically "fix" anything. I do, however, expect them to start taking any steps that help solve the problem. Right now they're taking none. Do you think that should continue?

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

So if Nintendo had just posted on a message board everything would have been fine?

I love how this is a joke to you guys but please continue saying nintendo has no blame in this.

 

[Huff]

Are you for real? That's not what I'm saying. I don't expect anybody to magically "fix" anything. I do, however, expect them to start taking any steps that help solve the problem. Right now they're taking none. Do you think that should continue?

Youve yet to give one example of what they could have done

 

[Demise]

So if Nintendo had just posted on a message board everything would have been fine?

I guess it's the problem. People don't care about resolving the problem once and for all or anything, they only want to see a big company on their knee, saying what they want to hear from them.

 

[Trogdor1123]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197295670&postcount=145
along with my other post in that thread.
But please continue to be idiot.

You are not helping it with that attitude.

I think what they are trying to say is that it needs to start somewhere.

 

[MHWilliams]

One thing people tend to miss, the harassment was done prior to thesis or this final situation.

That harassment was done because Rapp was a visible face at Nintendo, in relation to Nintendo's decision as a company to localize certain games in a specific manner.

This is the situation that the company could've helped and shielded their employee from.

If my company decides to do something and that brings down the fire on a specific employee, that company should at some point stand up and say something about the situation.

That is my only contribution to this thread and will remain the only time I shall touch this thread.

 

[Huff]

I love how this is a joke to you guys but please continue saying nintendo has no blame in this.

You implied you were supporting her by having some posts on a message board. Sorry if I find that funny

 

[TheWorst]

You seriousely think people would listen to Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft when moral is involved ? Capitalist companies that main purpose is milking people over ? Hmmm.

I just think it's way past due for the industry to make it clear that things like GG are not an acceptable part of the industry. I want them to call out GG in particular by name. Of course they won't listen, but once it's clear that the industry is against them, what are they going to do? Boycott everything? These big companies can absolutely affect the climate of the industry.

Neither them or the media.
People in the media are also quick to point fingers now, yet through this years outside a few reports they literally ignore the topic.

Alison was at E3 last year. How many sat down with her and interviewed her about how she was and just general stuff. But the focus was Nintendo's crappy showing. Everyone was reporting about Starfox Zero underwhelming visuals...or how Devil's Third was missing. Yet there she was...and noone cared.

Yet Nintendo was the only one that did nothing.

Yep. It's a gross situation all around.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

You implied you were supporting her by having some posts on a message board. Sorry if I find that funny

You can keep laughing, doing nothing while women in this industry are attacked by a hate group.

 

[ugh_the_boot]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197295670&postcount=145
along with my other post in that thread.
But please continue to be idiot.

Hahah a stupid little post on an unrelated website? Only an idiot would think that would make any sort of difference. We need to see some real proof that you were in the trenches mate. Not.Good.Enough.

Also this GG controversy had nothing to do with Alison working at Nintendo, it had to do with her own personal beliefs, moonlighting etc. None of it took place when she was at work at Nintendo because she shoulnt've been engaging in these activities in the first place. If my employer tells me I'm not allowed to do something then I go off and do it and end up getting an angry mob on my ass, how the fuck is this my employers fault? If anything they should've fired her for not keeping away from this mess.

Amazing how people can shift blame on stuff like this. Nintendo don't want anything to do with her pedo supporting comments, her sexy pics, her extra curricular activities etc yet this girl and her mob of angry keyboard warriors have gotten them involved in this mess and are now trying to drag their name through the mud for not doing anything?! Are you out of your mind? Nintendo employees must be shaking their heads at this situation and the stupidity of some people.

 

[fernoca]

One thing people tend to miss, the harassment was done prior to thesis or this final situation.

That harassment was done because Rapp was a visible face at Nintendo, in relation to Nintendo's decision as a company to localize certain games in a specific manner.

This is the situation that the company could've helped and shielded their employee from.

If my company decides to do something and that brings down the fire on a specific employee, that company should at some point stand up and say something about the situation.

That is my only contribution to this thread and will remain the only time I shall touch this thread.

Actually the harassment started before she worked at Nintendo. Because she posted screenshots of people harassing others online to call them out.

Once she got her position at Nintendo things got worse as everything was blamed onto her.

Nintendo could've said something there, but at the same time it was obvious that those people didn't cared. They continued digging around to just throw more shit and see if anything stick.

 

[TheWorst]

Youve yet to give one example of what they could have done

Release a statement, for starters. I'm not pretending to be the one who holds the clear-cut solution to all of this. My belief is basically that something is better than nothing. Nothing is shameful.

 

[Huff]

You can keep laughing, doing nothing while women in this industry are attacked by a hate group.

what exactly are you doing to help?

 

[QuantumZebra]

You implied you were supporting her by having some posts on a message board. Sorry if I find that funny

Yep supporting someone getting targeted by a hate group in any way we know how is totally laughable.

 

[Laughing Banana]

You can keep laughing, doing nothing while women in this industry are attacked by a hate group.

This "anyone that disagrees with me is a misogynist" or "doesn't care about women" or even worse, a "supporter of GamerGate" attitude is not healthy :/

Eh.... what do I know though.

 

[kiryogi]

Release a statement, for starters. I'm not pretending to be the one who holds the clear-cut solution to all of this. My belief is basically that something is better than nothing. Nothing is shameful.

But they did release a statement, as delayed as it was. I quote again

Nintendo is a company committed to fostering inclusion and diversity in both our company and the broader video game industry and we firmly reject the harassment of individuals based on gender, race or personal beliefs.

This "anyone that disagrees with me is a misogynist" or "doesn't care about women" or even worse, a "supporter of GamerGate" attitude is not healthy :/

Eh.... what do I know though.

That's the problematic thing about the folks in here, I wasn't kidding when I said some folks in here were acting as extreme as the Tea Party.

 

[Spinifex]

But they did release a statement, as delayed as it was. I quote again

You mean the statement they released after they fired her? How timely.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Hahah a stupid little post on an unrelated website? Only an idiot would think that would make any sort of difference. We need to see some real proof that you were in the trenches mate. Not.Good.Enough.

Also this GG controversy had nothing to do with Alison working at Nintendo, it had to do with her own personal beliefs, moonlighting etc. None of it took place when she was at work at Nintendo because she shoulnt've been engaging in these activities in the first place. If my employer tells me I'm not allowed to do something then I go off and do it and end up getting an angry mob on my ass, how the fuck is this my employers fault? If anything they should've fired her for not keeping away from this mess.

Amazing how people can shift blame on stuff like this. Nintendo don't want anything to do with her pedo supporting comments, her sexy pics, her extra curricular activities etc yet this girl and her mob of angry keyboard warriors have gotten them involved in this mess and are now trying to drag their name through the mud for not doing anything?! Are you out of your mind? Nintendo employees must be shaking their heads at this situation and the stupidity of some people.

I don't need explain myself anymore to you guys. Because the only meaningful posts you've made in this thread are fill with victim blaming and character assassination.

 

[kiryogi]

You mean the statement they released after they fired her? How timely.

I never said it was timely, but as he put it, they should release a statement, and they did.

 

[Huff]

You mean you can't answer my question

And then try to attack me instead.

Not much of a scientist

 

[TheWorst]

But they did release a statement, as delayed as it was.

Is that really enough for you? They released that statement because they were essentially forced and after months, if not years, of Alison and countless others being harassed. I don't see how anyone with a sense of empathy could be satisfied by that.

 

[fernoca]

Yep. It's a gross situation all around.

Or look more recently at the Game Awards were Jade Raymomd presented. Not mind the years of harassments, everything was about how ahe acted off and said Witcher 3 instead of Her while presenting.

Even over the last months, though all the debacle around the translation in Fire Emblem...outside Patrick Keplek, everyone focused mostly on the "..." , the bit about Soleil and and the overall changes. How much Nintendo sucked for the limited edition been too limited. While Alison was receiving threats left and right.

Then one of the people that quoted and congratulated Jamie Walton during her callout to Alison, was Kevin Smith. Why noone contacted him and asked him about if he really knew what was going on?

 

[RichiRamjag]

Pretty much.
And even they as companies are not mandated or forced to openly "defend" employees in situations like this. Would be nice but won't do much.

I've received death threats at a few jobs. Even explained the last one in either this or the last thread, which was openly posted on the Facebook of my employer.

They said nothing regarding that online. Yet they advised us, offered counseling and even their lawyers in case we wanted to press things further. My mom was in the hospital during that time (and passed away a few weeks later) so I decided to not do anything.

The problem is that we know nothing about that or the second job. So people end around the Dyack syndrome of "for or against". The parts not want that information exposed.

That Nintendo should've openly said something about it, maybe. People were asking for Iwata's firing and some wishing him ill for ruining Nintendo...and they still said nothing. People all sent rage messages on his Twitter that last E3 weeks before he paased away and outside responding about improving things for later... nothing else.

We sadly live in an era that everything is posted online. People want the information out. People want everyone taking sides. And that's part of the reason Alison was inthis mess even before working at Nintendo. Some things ate not as simple as "for or against".

Pretty good post. I'm sorry to hear about your mother.

 

[ugh_the_boot]

It's all there in the OP - Nintendo were slowly trying to remove her from a public facing position because they were concerned with her general viewpoints and public status dragging their name through the mud and guess what? That's exactly what happened despite their best efforts.

As a company doing business you try you best to keep away from political, social, basically any type of viewpoints that will alienate a certain demographic or group of people from buying your products. Nintendo don't give a shit about any of this stuff, they just want to make video games and here you are blaming them for not getting involved in something that would've been a stupid business decision.

 

[Christine]

I think we're hitting diminishing returns on productive conversation on this topic. Post new news as events eventuate.