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[bloodydrake]

Which shooter to get?
I really want to get a horror game but I'm concerned Brookhaven Experiments Gameplay is pretty much identical to Space Pirate Trainers, in that its just waves of harder things all set in the same default environment.

Does anyone know if either of these change from that or not?

If so I'm wondering if getting Space Pirate Trainer and say Paranormal Activity,which seems to have some room scale exploration to it wouldn't be a better combo..but I can't find much info on Paranormal activity vr

 

[BrettWeir]

It is read almost like a source code. You can use your fingers to simulate current and physically trace what the circuit does. The components are labeled using standardized EE symbols, and different components correspond to logic gates found in boolean algebra. XOR, NOT, AND, etc.

EE is pretty much the physical application of boolean algebra. I wish I had a firmer grasp of EE, but I only have a hobbyist understanding. I can build a half adder and simple components like that, but this is beyond me.

I have absolutely no idea what you just said.

Plugging it into Google Translate, it only says exactly what taoofjord said - "Magic".

On topic, really hoping they get this payment issue sorted out for those having issues. I never once in my life thought I would say "I'm glad I used PayPal instead", but I did.

 

[bloodydrake]

HTC Vive IOTI Welcome... to the VReal World.
HTC Vive |OT| In VReal Life Hands are not optional

 

[taoofjord]

Which shooter to get?
I really want to get a horror game but I'm concerned Brookhaven Experiments Gameplay is pretty much identical to Space Pirate Trainers, in that its just waves of harder things all set in the same default environment.

Does anyone know if either of these change from that or not?

If so I'm wondering if getting Space Pirate Trainer and say Paranormal Activity,which seems to have some room scale exploration to it wouldn't be a better combo..but I can't find much info on Paranormal activity vr

I don't know for sure but I wouldn't expect the majority of launch games to have a lot of content and environmental variety to them. Brookhaven and SPT are likely only (or slightly more) than what the trailer shows. Very, very simple and content light but thanks to VR they should feel fresh and fun. Upcoming similar games like Arizona Sunshine and Raw Data should be a bit meatier but probably still lighter than what one would expect for the price point. Early days will be rough if you're looking at it objectively or looking for stuff that isn't a sandbox, arcade game, or immersive vignette/experience.

That doesn't bother me though. I'm most excited for the sandboxes stuff like ModBox, Tilt Brush, and Fantastic Contraption.

 

[BeEatNU]

Do people who get the April date when ordering actually get put ahead in the queue of earlier preorders that say May?

Have anyone gotten their order to a "shipped" status by doing this?

I asked this same thing earlier (no one answered)

Mentioned if they get to cut the line WITHOUT cancelations being the cause, that would suck ass for people like you and me.

I did this but haven't got my shipped email yet. I paid with PayPal so I was charged up front.

 

[Durante]

I just realized something, while looking at the extremely high-speed tracking gif again which was posted a while back.

Where is VR table tennis?
It seems like the quintessential room-scale VR sport experience. A ~3m by 3m area should be sufficient to get a pretty good (albeit casual) game on if it only needs to represent ~1m of the table and 2m back from that.

 

[taoofjord]

It is read almost like a source code. You can use your fingers to simulate current and physically trace what the circuit does. The components are labeled using standardized EE symbols, and different components correspond to logic gates found in boolean algebra. XOR, NOT, AND, etc.

EE is pretty much the physical application of boolean algebra. I wish I had a firmer grasp of EE, but I only have a hobbyist understanding. I can build a half adder and simple components like that, but this is beyond me.

That's really fascinating stuff, thanks. I'd like to take an intro class or find a high level book on it down the road.

I just realized something, while looking at the extremely high-speed tracking gif again which was posted a while back.

Where is VR table tennis?
It seems like the quintessential room-scale VR sport experience. A ~3m by 3m area should be sufficient to get a pretty good (albeit casual) game on if it only needs to represent ~1m of the table and 2m back from that.

I believe ModBox has ping pong balls and paddles but their physics model is really erratic and floaty so it won't play well. Hopefully it'll be decent enough for you to get a taste of it before something polished comes along though. You're right, it's a perfect fit so I bet we'll see something soon.

 

[bloodydrake]

I don't know for sure but I wouldn't expect the majority of launch games to have a lot of content and environmental variety to them. Brookhaven and SPT are likely only (or slightly more) than what the trailer shows. Very, very simple and content light but thanks to VR they should feel fresh and fun. Upcoming similar games like Arizona Sunshine and Raw Data should be a bit meatier but probably still lighter than what one would expect for the price point. Early days will be rough if you're looking at it objectively or looking for stuff that isn't a sandbox, arcade game, or immersive vignette/experience.

That doesn't bother me though. I'm most excited for the sandboxes stuff like ModBox, Tilt Brush, and Fantastic Contraption.

ya thats what i'm wondering
I'm just trying to plan my purchases to cover as many types of experiences as i can , best bang for the buck etc.

 

[mrklaw]

HTC Vive |OT| HTC = Happy To Cancel

 

[Bunta]

Do we know how long the games will come with the Vive order? Might put off ordering but don't want to miss out on that.

 

[taoofjord]

ya thats what i'm wondering
I'm just trying to plan my purchases to cover as many types of experiences as i can , best bang for the buck etc.

No doubt. I've heard nothing but great things about SPT so I'll be picking that up for sure. The graphics/art style though is pretty rough.

 

[Cimarron]

HTC Vive |OT| HTC = Happy To Cancel

Lol! That's terrible. Still no tracking number. 😿 Come on HTC Give the people what they want!

 

[Krejlooc]

That's really fascinating stuff, thanks. I'd like to take an intro class or find a high level book on it down the road.

If you look around, you can find kits that teach you how to make audio amplifiers and things of that sort, usually in the size and shape of an altoids tin can. They usually are books that intend to teach you how to solder, but they serve as a nice basis for the extreme fundamentals of EE - how to read and build a circuit, basic components, etc.

 

[Nzyme32]

I just realized something, while looking at the extremely high-speed tracking gif again which was posted a while back.

Where is VR table tennis?
It seems like the quintessential room-scale VR sport experience. A ~3m by 3m area should be sufficient to get a pretty good (albeit casual) game on if it only needs to represent ~1m of the table and 2m back from that.

Modbox has one, but yeah, that is a surpringly brilliant thing for roomscale VR but I don't think anyone is making a full blown game out of it. As someone who used to play it, I'd be down.

 

[Durante]

I believe ModBox has ping pong balls and paddles but their physics model is really erratic and floaty so it won't play well. Hopefully it'll be decent enough for you to get a taste of it before something polished comes along though. You're right, it's a perfect fit so I bet we'll see something soon.

I think the biggest challenge is the physics part, yeah. Standard physics engines are very unlikely to capture the effects which are essential to the game.

A good thing about it is that it requires basically nothing in terms of assets. I might even be tempted to give it a go myself, but I have so many things I want to try out!

HTC Vive |OT| HTC = Happy To Cancel

I don't think HTC are happy to have their attempts at transferring money from people to themselves canceled

 

[Fried Food]

I just realized something, while looking at the extremely high-speed tracking gif again which was posted a while back.

Where is VR table tennis?
It seems like the quintessential room-scale VR sport experience. A ~3m by 3m area should be sufficient to get a pretty good (albeit casual) game on if it only needs to represent ~1m of the table and 2m back from that.

I made a post about this a few days ago. Table tennis is perfect for VR. I want a hardcore realistic table tennis sim

do the vive controllers have vibration. That would be all you need to pretty accurately repliate what it feels like to hit a ping pong ball with a modern racket

 

[Nzyme32]

I made a post about this a few days ago. Table tennis is perfect for VR. I want a hardcore realistic table tennis sim

One cool thing to think of with Vive is that you could probably do some really accurate spins on serving when using the touchpad. Yeah. I want someone to make one!

 

[Durante]

I made a post about this a few days ago. Table tennis is perfect for VR. I want a hardcore realistic table tennis sim

do the vive controllers have vibration. That would be all you need to pretty accurately repliate what it feels like to hit a ping pong ball with a modern racket

I believe they have the same haptic feedback system used in the Steam controller, so that should be possible.

One cool thing to think of with Vive is that you could probably do some really accurate spins on serving when using the touchpad. Yeah. I want someone to make one!

Hmm, why would you use the touchpad? If you want to do a spin then do the spin using the 1:1 tracked racket

 

[taoofjord]

Got in touch with my bank again. They said the money has been taken out of my account but is currently on hold because HTC/Digital River hasn't given them a receipt yet. So once my bank gets a receipt they will post they payment on the next business day which would be Monday.

Does this mean that HTC can't ship my Vive out sooner than Tuesday?

I think the biggest challenge is the physics part, yeah. Standard physics engines are very unlikely to capture the effects which are essential to the game.

A good thing about it is that it requires basically nothing in terms of assets. I might even be tempted to give it a go myself, but I have so many things I want to try out!

Sweet! Do you plan on releasing any of your experiments to the public?

 

[ashecitism]

So, is this going to be a messy launch like the Rift too? Can someone explain this bank misery to me? I never ordered a very expensive thing online/with my debit card. What's the problem? Who's at fault?

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

So, is this going to be a messy launch like the Rift too? Can someone explain this bank misery to me? I never ordered a very expensive thing online/with my debit card. What's the problem? Who's at fault?

its just them and oculus being bad at communication like really REALLY bad

 

[Zepp Twofist]

I asked this same thing earlier (no one answered)

Mentioned if they get to cut the line WITHOUT cancelations being the cause, that would suck ass for people like you and me.

I switched my order over. Worst case (HTC respect initial queue) I get it a few days later because my first was an order from this week anyway. Best case I get it weeks earlier.

For all the criticism Oculus gets, HTC doesn't seem to have this whole shipping thing down either.

Now to resume the waiting game.

 

[Durante]

So, is this going to be a messy launch like the Rift too? Can someone explain this bank misery to me? I never ordered a very expensive thing online/with my debit card. What's the problem? Who's at fault?

As far as I understand it, some people's banks are refusing the transaction because they (or likely, their automated systems) flag it as "unusual". Others might contact people and ask them to approve it within an hour, a short deadline which many miss especially if it's at night.
I don't think you can put much blame on HTC for that.

A resulting issue for which they do share some blame is that their customer service seems to be somewhat overwhelmed by the deluge of related requests, especially now on a weekend.

 

[elyetis]

I just realized something, while looking at the extremely high-speed tracking gif again which was posted a while back.

Where is VR table tennis?
It seems like the quintessential room-scale VR sport experience. A ~3m by 3m area should be sufficient to get a pretty good (albeit casual) game on if it only needs to represent ~1m of the table and 2m back from that.

Given how much people liked Sports Champions table tennis, I'm sure we should get a proper table tennis at some point.

There is probably less demand but I'd also like a baby foot/table soccer VR... heck even a dart game should be fun in VR..

 

[Astral/H3X]

I love being lied to four times about being able to fix these orders.

 

[artsi]

I think one problem is how HTC has outsourced their store, customer support etc. to Digital River and it complicates the whole process when there's an issue.

 

[bigmac996]

So, is this going to be a messy launch like the Rift too? Can someone explain this bank misery to me? I never ordered a very expensive thing online/with my debit card. What's the problem? Who's at fault?

Only for those whose credit card companies/ banks declined the payment and flagged it as suspicious.

Basically Digital River, the company in Ireland handling the HTC orders, looks suspicious to banks due to the high charge amount and I think the volume of orders simultaneously as well.

So in the wake of banks declining the charge HTC issued a statement saying they'll retry again in 24-48 hrs. Turns out after 36 hours there is an automated process where orders get cancelled after declined payment, and this happened to everyone whose credit cards were initially declined.

So Digital River is mostly to blame, banks are a little bit to blame and HTC is a little responsible too.

Also all of us affected are at fault for not using Paypal in the first place...

 

[Nzyme32]

I believe they have the same haptic feedback system used in the Steam controller, so that should be possible.

Hmm, why would you use the touchpad? If you want to do a spin then do the spin using the 1:1 tracked racket

Yeah, I was thinking fake out your opponent on serve with ball spin. You can take a good guess if some one is doing it with their racket, or at least you can with people like me who have to take a massive swipe at the ball, rather than more with their wrist

 

[Krejlooc]

If you use a business card, purchase large items regularly, or contact your bank, you should be fine. If you haven't been charged yet and worry you might get rejected, call your bank and let them know you're expecting a large charge.

 

[taoofjord]

Only for those whose credit card companies/ banks declined the payment and flagged it as suspicious.

Basically Digital River, the company in Ireland handling the HTC orders, looks suspicious to banks due to the high charge amount, and I think the volume of orders simultaneously as well.

So in the wake of banks declining the charge, HTC issued a statement saying they'll retry again in 24-48 hrs. Turns out after 36 hours there is an automated process where orders get cancelled after declined payment, and this happened to everyone whose credit cards were initially declined.

So Digital River is mostly to blame, banks are a little bit to blame and HTC is a little responsible too.

In my case, HTC/Digital River hasn't notified my bank of a receipt for over 48 hours. I spoke to my bank and they can only extend the hold for one more business day before the transaction is canceled. We'll see what happens on Monday but I'm having doubts that mine will go through at all.

 

[Astral/H3X]

I can't believe this. Why the fuck would they tell their reps to lie like this so many times? What the fuuuyccccckkkkk!? Now Im stuck having to just reorder cuz lol fucking idiot used his debit card like a retard hurrrr.

This is just sad. Why on earth would a company not allow someone o update their card information is beyond me.

 

[sammex]

Vive |OT| Murphy up your beds

 

[spekkeh]

I think one problem is how HTC has outsourced their store, customer support etc. to Digital River and it complicates the whole process when there's an issue.

Yeah HTC was stupid to outsource this to some cheapridiculously expensive distributor.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

In my case, HTC/Digital River hasn't notified my bank of a receipt for over 48 hours. I spoke to my bank and they can only extend the hold for one more business day before the transaction is canceled. We'll see what happens on Monday but I'm having doubts that mine will go through at all.

It doesnt matter they can present the receipt after the hold is deleted.

 

[kaskade]

It says the vives are in stock? I thought they were shipping in May if you ordered the other day?

edit: Nevermind, my phone didn't show the shipping May thing but the desktop version does.

 

[taoofjord]

It doesnt matter they can present the receipt after the hold is deleted.

Hmm, I sure hope so. I'll stop worrying about it for now I guess. What a crazy situation this is for everyone. It's not like buying things online is a new process.

 

[Ozorov]

So any good Youtube-channels that shows gameplay w/ face-body-cam?

 

[T.O.P]

The more i try to check if i have enough space to play decently the more i'm thinking of switching rooms, this is gonna be a pain in the ass, i already know it

 

[T.O.P]

Does anyone know if it's safe to play The Brookhaven Experiment from standing up only?

The page mentions room scale as well i have no idea if i'll be able to play this without being forced to move around

@sorry for DP

Also they updated theBlu system requirments on system

MINIMUM:
OS: Windows 7 Service Pack 1
Processor: i7-5930K
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 or equivalent
DirectX: Version 11
Storage: 4 GB available space
Additional Notes: Wevr strongly recommends that your Power Plan under Windows Power Options be set to "High performance" or equivalent


RECOMMENDED:
OS: Windows 7 Service Pack 1
Processor: i7-5930K
Memory: 32 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 or equivalent
DirectX: Version 11
Storage: 4 GB available space
Additional Notes: Wevr strongly recommends that your Power Plan under Windows Power Options be set to "High performance" or equivalent

ugh

 

[mrklaw]

As far as I understand it, some people's banks are refusing the transaction because they (or likely, their automated systems) flag it as "unusual". Others might contact people and ask them to approve it within an hour, a short deadline which many miss especially if it's at night.
I don't think you can put much blame on HTC for that.

A resulting issue for which they do share some blame is that their customer service seems to be somewhat overwhelmed by the deluge of related requests, especially now on a weekend.

too many banks are refusing. Someone said HTC was putting through payments without the security details which is why they were initially getting flagged, and then immediately resubmitting with the details but it was too late by then.

I didn't have a problem with Digital River taking more money than the Vive from my account for my SP4, so that would suggest to me something on DR's side went wrong

 

[mrklaw]

OK so HTC just rang and did a remote login session to take me to a unique URL, where I bought another vive which apparantly puts me back where I was in the queue - although he was vague, saying 'first batch' and 'during april'.

The only worrying thing is that the payment wasn't done immediately, so I'm going to have to do that overnight thing. I might actually stay up late tonight just in case..

 

[bigmac996]

OK so HTC just rang and did a remote login session to take me to a unique URL, where I bought another vive which apparantly puts me back where I was in the queue - although he was vague, saying 'first batch' and 'during april'.

The only worrying thing is that the payment wasn't done immediately, so I'm going to have to do that overnight thing. I might actually stay up late tonight just in case..

No luck yet from HTC USA. Sounds like UK is pretty on-point and has a solution for now. Would be nice if the departments communicated with each other.

 

[KingSnake]

The issue here is that Digital River is quite a big processing company, I had a lot of things processed through them, from Microsoft to Avast, so it seems a bit disingenuous from some banks to automatically refuse such transactions. At least they could have put them on hold and call the customers about them. Both my bank and AMEX usually call me if there is a suspect transaction, not just cancel them.

 

[bj00rn_]

The way htc, digital river and the banks is handling this appears to be reaching clusterfuck levels..

 

[Durante]

Sweet! Do you plan on releasing any of your experiments to the public?

I always try to release everything which I consider somewhat worthwhile and not too embarrassing in terms of code quality

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Vive |OT| Murphy up your beds

 

[cheezcake]

It is read almost like a source code. You can use your fingers to simulate current and physically trace what the circuit does. The components are labeled using standardized EE symbols, and different components correspond to logic gates found in boolean algebra. XOR, NOT, AND, etc.

EE is pretty much the physical application of boolean algebra. I wish I had a firmer grasp of EE, but I only have a hobbyist understanding. I can build a half adder and simple components like that, but this is beyond me.

Hey that's only some of EE, some of us do some analogue electronics as well and this entire circuit is entirely analogue! No boolean logic to be found here.

Any chance you could explain this in layman terms?

Not the entire circuit, but I'll try the fundamentals. The part on the very left labelled BPW34, that's a photodiode. When light hits it, it generates a very small current. The rest of the circuit is literally just a combination of filtering and amplification. Filtering because some components tend to generate noise, and we get noise from things like our power supply as well, so we want to filter all that out for accuracy. Amplification because we want the very small changes the photodiode creates to cause very big changes so we can detect it with simpler equipment at the output.

Neat!

I just got a fully licensed version of Altium at home, this is a pretty simple design so I might create a PCB layout for it to get used to the program and upload it for others to manufacture if they want. Maybe even sell a few if people are interested.

 

[Bookoo]

The way htc, digital river and the banks is handling this appears to be reaching clusterfuck levels..

Yea, it's funny how people were calling shit on Oculus. My Oculus has been delayed to due to whatever reasons and I received an order cancellation from HTC even though they only made 1 attempt to charge my card.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

So any good Youtube-channels that shows gameplay w/ face-body-cam?

Tribal Instincts. Really good new youtuber

 

[BeEatNU]

It's really just digital river. They've always been trash. It's sad that HTC used them but eh Otis what it is.