PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

did you miss phil's "no x1.5" announcement?

The same Phil Spencer said this only a few weeks before.

"We see on other platforms whether it be mobile or PC that you get a continuous innovation that you rarely see on console," he said. "Consoles lock the hardware and the software platforms together at the beginning of the generation. Then you ride the generation out for seven or so years, while other ecosystems are getting better, faster, stronger. And then you wait for the next big step function.

"When you look at the console space, I believe we will see more hardware innovation in the console space than we've ever seen. You'll actually see us come out with new hardware capability during a generation allowing the same games to run backward and forward compatible because we have a Universal Windows Application running on top of the Universal Windows Platform that allows us to focus more and more on hardware innovation without invalidating the games that run on that platform."

"We can effectively feel a little bit more like we see on PC, where I can still go back and run my old Doom and Quake games that I used to play years ago but I can still see the best 4K games come out and my library is always with me. Hardware innovation continues while the software innovation is able to take advantage and I don't have to jump a generation and lose everything that I played on before."

and

"We look at these other ecosystems out there like mobile, tablet and PC and we see that they have a very continuous evolution cycle in hardware, whereas between console generations most of the evolution is making it cheaper and potentially making it smaller.

Both are meaningful but don't make the games play any better. If you look at PC specifically and see the evolution that happens there, there's no reason why console can't ride that same curve.

I look at the ecosystem that a console sits in and I think that it should have the capability of more iteration on hardware capability. Sony is doing this with VR and adding VR capabilities mid-cycle to the PlayStation 4 and they are doing that by adding another box. I don't mean that as a negative. But it's not changing what the core console is about.

For consoles in general it's more important now than it's ever been, because you have so many of these other platforms that are around. It used to be that when you bought your console you were way ahead of the price performance curve by so much, relative to a PC. But now PCs are inexpensive and your phones are getting more and more capable."

He may decide to call it by another name but essentially it will be the equivalent of what Sony are attempting with ps4k with even more emphasis on an iterative model. Furthermore you can bet good money it will arrive around the same time.
 
That is not at all what Phil Spencer said read the article not the title which is very misleading. Anyone that believes MS isn't working on something very similar is not paying attention. The only things you can take from that article when actually reading it is that if they are working on something it definitely wont be called the Xbox 1.5 and that it would be more powerful than a smaller incremental upgrade. I personally want to see which of the big 3 announce something first.


Correct... but the only reason they are forced to make it 'stronger' than the upgrade they more than likely wish they could do, is due to a technical bottleneck of the original Xbox One design. They are forced in essence to make it 'more powerful' and more than likely, later than they would like.

That is the spin in the PR. While he is not 'lying', he is not telling the whole truth as to why, and they are not doing us gamers 'a serviceable favor' like people are trying to take away from it. They have no choice. Their design does not allow them to do a matching spec.
 
Something about your response sounds reasonable to me, but then again, this is MS we're talking about.
Would you agree with me that given PS4K really happens, will MS "call","raise" or "pass".
With "passing" I'm talking about lowering hardware commitment or pulling out of hardware business (licensing "Xbox" to hardware manufacturers = steam machine)

That would be extremely interesting, but I don't think they will go that route.

It will be very hard to sell to people who want to buy a simple console/Xbox name if there are too many options, just IMO.

It's an interesting strategy but I don't think the right one for any console maker, at least at this particular moment.

We still have to see if PS4K works, almost the same, but it's only one more hardware revision from Sony themselves rather than multiple hardware options from several different vendors.

I imagine Xbone is looking at exactly this same strategy, but their timing is just a little behind, that's all.
 
Ok, I have changed my mind...kind of.
If PS4K is released fall 2017, I'm ok, coz that would be a 4 year cycle.
If it comes out this year, I will still buy it in late 2017 or later.

But Sony needs to really really deliver on the exclusives front, because I'm planning to get all multiplats on PC and exclusives are the only pro console argument left for me.
PS4K is competing against a GPU upgrade next year, so dear Sony you have a lot of hard work ahead of you...marketing slogans alone won't cut it for me. If the PSK doesn't include "greatness" at launch I'm done with consoles alltogether.

Issue solved.

Thing is of it does come out next year at 4 years, when do they announce PS5 without annoying these ps4.5 owners? A year later? Two? As two years would be then 6 years since the original PS4 which would be about right, but surely you would risk potential upset of those ps4.5 owners.
 
Thing is of it does come out next year at 4 years, when do they announce PS5 without annoying these ps4.5 owners? A year later? Two? As two years would be then 6 years since the original PS4 which would be about right, but surely you would risk potential upset of those ps4.5 owners.

4 years.
 
That is not at all what Phil Spencer said read the article not the title which is very misleading. Anyone that believes MS isn't working on something very similar is not paying attention. The only things you can take from that article when actually reading it is that if they are working on something it definitely wont be called the Xbox 1.5 and that it would be more powerful than a smaller incremental upgrade. I personally want to see which of the big 3 announce something first.

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Haha, that Gif totally sums up the situatiom right now. I was also using the Mexican standoff metaphor earlier.
Comparing the confidence in the characters' eyes:
Sony=Blondie
MS=Angel Eyes
Ninty=Tuco "The Rat"
 
Why keep the price low?

The early adopter set doesn't care about price. At all. They want the latest and greatest and will pay for it.

You're talking as if they want to go full mass market day 1. Why would they want to do that?

The goal is to get early adopters at the highest price possible, then the next customer segment at the highest price possible, then the mass market at the highest price possible and then the laggards at the highest price possible. Each step is a lower price tier.

But why sell to the early adopters at a discount? Theres absolutely zero benefit in doing that.

If there is competition, price is a huge factor for many in the decision making process. Not a difficult concept.
 
Something about your response sounds reasonable to me, but then again, this is MS we're talking about.
Would you agree with me that given PS4K really happens, will MS "call","raise" or "pass".
With "passing" I'm talking about lowering hardware commitment or pulling out of hardware business (licensing "Xbox" to hardware manufacturers = steam machine)

This is the way I see it with what current information we have now. They have two options at this point, to stay relevant in the console market if, and that is if, this 4K takes off like wild fire for Sony.

1) Take the lumps and launch your 'not an incremental upgrade', and have your more powerful HBM box come out a year or so later (and go with the Xbox 2 naming and pretend you are starting the 'new gen' again)...

2) Change your 'traditional console' into a new Win10 style Steam Machine like boxes...

The part you mention about licensing the brand is also not out of the question and could coincide with number 2.


Yep ;)

Gives them enough time to actually have a true generational leap since the tech will matured more by then with die shrinks and HBM2 affordability or possibly even HBM3, etc..
 
If there is competition, price is a huge factor for many in the decision making process. Not a difficult concept.

Price has done nothing to help the Xbox One. Given Sony's head start with Vue and a strong generational performance to date, Where else would this theoretical competition come from?

I love good snark though. Keep working at it!

Thing is of it does come out next year at 4 years, when do they announce PS5 without annoying these ps4.5 owners? A year later? Two? As two years would be then 6 years since the original PS4 which would be about right, but surely you would risk potential upset of those ps4.5 owners.

2020 or 2021 is the timing that would make sense in my opinion if this half step works. If it doesn't, then all bets are off.

well they post less slightly negative things on the twitter and message boards as they hand over their cash

Damn lol.
 
Haha, that Gif totally sums up the situatiom right now. I was also using the Mexican standoff metaphor earlier.
Comparing the confidence in the characters' eyes:
Sony=Blondie
MS=Angel Eyes
Ninty=Tuco "The Rat"

hah, I associated them the same.

Man, just makes me want the new Red Dead so much more now, lol.

I can only imagine how amazing it will look!


Don't worry, I have my PC hooked up to my 4K TV with the sexy 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4...

So make that a baker's dozens, lol.

well they post less slightly negative things on the twitter and message boards as they hand over their cash

Savage!
 
2020 or 2021 is the timing that would make sense in my opinion if this half step works. If it doesn't, then all bets are off.

I think they are following tech upgrades and not their internal timetable so much. ps4k is coinciding with 14/16nm becoming affordable to non-apple companies, I'm guessing next console will be 10, with iterative at 7nm.

TSMC says they will be happening in the next 2 years, but I don't understand chips well enough to know if that is possible. I'm guessing 10 will be affordable in 2019-2020, and 7nm 2-4 years after that.

The other wildcard is amd and whether they continue to develop x86 and whether they stay competitive in gfx. If console companies have to deal with Intel and Nvidia, well that really could kill consoles.
 
Thing is of it does come out next year at 4 years, when do they announce PS5 without annoying these ps4.5 owners? A year later? Two? As two years would be then 6 years since the original PS4 which would be about right, but surely you would risk potential upset of those ps4.5 owners.

Hey, I', totally with you on that. I've brought this up several times itt.
Are People who are saying "Cool, just do it" also ready to buy PS5 2-3 years later?
The big conclusion for me is: the console industry will fundamentally change and you as a consumer have to adapt to it. That's evolution. Let's say you're going the "fuck it, this is my hobby, I'm going to buy this and PSVR" route and then a PSVR2 is released one year later and then PS5 is released in 2018/2019...I have already bookmarked this thread, so I'm ready to comfort many users with their own arguments from the past.
Or maybe the majority of Gaffers is rich, then no one will care......

If you really want the best value for your money you'll have to spend a lot of time in future Gaf threads to assess tech trends - you're going to read some of those tech related threads like a business analyst.
 
I think they are following tech upgrades and not their internal timetable so much. ps4k is coinciding with 14/16nm becoming affordable to non-apple companies, I'm guessing next console will be 10, with iterative at 7nm.

TSMC says they will be happening in the next 2 years, but I don't understand chips well enough to know if that is possible. I'm guessing 10 will be affordable in 2019-2020, and 7nm 2-4 years after that.

The other wildcard is amd and whether they continue to develop x86 and whether they stay competitive in gfx. If console companies have to deal with Intel and Nvidia, well that really could kill consoles.

Winner winner veggie dinner! They also have to time/wait with the rate tech is maturing. They are not going back to billions sunk in R&D for radical designs for the sake of power. It just does not pay off. Follow the tech, and provide the best games service with said tech you can.

As far a AMD, if their Polaris holds true to spec, then they will be A-OK. They will be providing plenty of solutions to not just the consoles, but other hardware makers that want an APU solution as well, that is not only affordable, but not so power hungry, yet can still pack a punch.
 
Price has done nothing to help the Xbox One. Given Sony's head start with Vue and a strong generational performance to date, Where else would this theoretical competition come from?

I love good snark though. Keep working at it!

But price did do something for the PS4 at the start of this gen. MS had the bigger install base from last gen and Sony won them over in part by price (and no used game DRM and more powerful machine)

So yes, with a good headstart and better hardware Sony kept the lead. There is competition on the horizon though, and if you don't believe price is a factor for many you lack an understanding of basic retail business concepts. No snark intended.
 
I think they are following tech upgrades and not their internal timetable so much. ps4k is coinciding with 14/16nm becoming affordable to non-apple companies, I'm guessing next console will be 10, with iterative at 7nm.

It is not the "affordability", it is the first appearance of high powered 14/16nm chips. Small ARM 2W chips are not made in same way or from same materials than much bigger chips that will use 100W+. Those big chips are just now starting to be made in large quantities. If we get lucky, AMD and Nvidia will release their first 14/16nm cards before E3 [and by all reports, it will be their midrange chips].

Don't confuse timetables for smartphone and desktop chips. Also Intel runs on different timetables, they have their own advanced factories.
 
This is the way I see it with what current information we have now. They have two options at this point, to stay relevant in the console market if, and that is if, this 4K takes off like wild fire for Sony.

1) Take the lumps and launch your 'not an incremental upgrade', and have your more powerful HBM box come out a year or so later (and go with the Xbox 2 naming and pretend you are starting the 'new gen' again)...

2) Change your 'traditional console' into a new Win10 style Steam Machine like boxes...

The part you mention about licensing the brand is also not out of the question and could coincide with number 2.



Yep ;)

Gives them enough time to actually have a true generational leap since the tech will matured more by then with die shrinks and HBM2 affordability or possibly even HBM3, etc..

Ok, so would you also agree that you can't rule out that Sony may release PS5 2 years after PS4K if case 1 happens: MS releasing a full gen console after PS4K and eating Sony's lunch.

This is my biggest worry right now. No one here can predict what the outcome of this will be.
 
Hey, I', totally with you on that. I've brought this up several times itt.
Are People who are saying "Cool, just do it" also ready to buy PS5 2-3 years later?
The big conclusion for me is: the console industry will fundamentally change and you as a consumer have to adapt to it. That's evolution. Let's say you're going the "fuck it, this is my hobby, I'm going to buy this and PSVR" route and then a PSVR2 is released one year later and then PS5 is released in 2018/2019...I have already bookmarked this thread, so I'm ready to comfort many users with their own arguments from the past.
Or maybe the majority of Gaffers is rich, then no one will care......

If you really want the best value for your money you'll have to spend a lot of time in future Gaf threads to assess tech trends - you're going to read some of those tech related threads like a business analyst.

I see that too, iteration will become shorter and shorter eventually console become a steambox with first party games; a lot of configuration a lot of option, low, mid low, mid, high mid, high, very high, ultra, extreme etc.
All play the same game, same input, same feature, for the rest of time.

This will be the first step towards that.
 
Ok, so would you also agree that you can't rule out that Sony may release PS5 2 years after PS4K if case 1 happens: MS releasing a full gen console after PS4K and eating Sony's lunch.

This is my biggest worry right now. No one here can predict what the outcome of this will be.

That is definitely a valid concern, and at this point, anything can happen depending on how successful this is. The fact that it is the same ecosystem, same software discs, SDK, etc., it theoretically should be seamless with no downturn, but anything can happen, lol.

I still think they will stay their course an extra year or two and PS5 in 2020/21 the earliest for the more sensical leap. They may be too far ahead by the time MSFT reacts for it to make any relevant damage to force their hand a year or two early (especially if Vue takes off even more). Even MSFT's year head start with the 360 was no all out dominance worldwide once the PS3 (took them what, a year to make up that ground?). Playstation is a powerful brand, and anything short of DRM and always online as well as a slew of other fuck ups could knock them back. Mere specs will not do it with PS2 like market saturation.

But that is just my opinion of course. Again, anything can happen, even if the chances are very very low.

You're wrong about the install base. Ps3 eclisped Xbox 360 sales in 2013.

It also closed the huge year gap fairly quickly (at a much larger price point as well). People are so closed off to the power of the brand worldwide it seems. Xbox has no relevance outside of NA, UK, and select LA countries.
 
But price did do something for the PS4 at the start of this gen. MS had the bigger install base from last gen and Sony won them over in part by price (and no used game DRM and more powerful machine)

So yes, with a good headstart and better hardware Sony kept the lead. There is competition on the horizon though, and if you don't believe price is a factor for many you lack an understanding of basic retail business concepts. No snark intended.


You're wrong about the install base. Ps3 eclisped Xbox 360 sales in 2013.
 
Let's get real here for a minute.

When and if this thing comes out, the majority of us here bitching and arguing are going to end up getting it. We are the HARDCORE, we have multiple if not nearing 100's of post each in this thread, who are we fucking kidding by saying "fuck this, if Sony does this I am out"? You all know damn well that the majority of us are going to be getting this machine if it comes out this holiday or early next year. The temptation will be too much. If we were all casual gamers and we knew each other in real life and barely talked about video games I can see that, but we are GAF and we are the HARDCORE. If a better console with better specs and most of all better looking games, we will be there day one.

I will say that there will be a handful that may not, but I really think when this thing is reality and it is sitting on Store shelves or when they announce the pre-orders that many of us will be some of the first to nab a pre-order. Just being realistic, Been here far too long to know how this shit pans out. We love to argue and bitch things to death, going over the merits and potential pitfalls for almost anything gaming related, but when that shinning new PS4K is about to be released we all will be like little kids not being able to sleep the night before it comes out. Just saying :)
 
God i hope it is true! All of it! Iam also registred at pcgameshardware.de It is a german PC Master Race Site with of course a Forum. Theres a Console Section there where they go on the Hunt to disrespect Consoles and People who defend them.

They need to get their Mouths shut! And then i want to see all those Comparisions from Digital Foundry in wich the PS4k shows similar Details like ultra PC Versions...
 
I see that too, iteration will become shorter and shorter eventually console become a steambox with first party games; a lot of configuration a lot of option, low, mid low, mid, high mid, high, very high, ultra, extreme etc.
All play the same game, same input, same feature, for the rest of time.

This will be the first step towards that.

Haha, have you ever went to a mall with the intention to buy a certain item/product, then returning home with empty hands because you were overwhelmed by too many options?

I've been a console gamer for the last 20 years. Remember the time when it was easy: you just needed to know how many bits the console has.
Now I'm starting to deal with stuff like 28nm, 14nm, buffer, ram clock speed, Teraflops, HBM,secret sauce.....
 
God i hope it is true! All of it! Iam also registred at pcgameshardware.de It is a german PC Master Race Site with of course a Forum. Theres a Console Section there where they go on the Hunt to disrespect Consoles and People who defend them.

They need to get their Mouths shut! And then i want to see all those Comparisions from Digital Foundry in wich the PS4k shows similar Details like ultra PC Versions...

I know this is absolutely 100% a bait post... but good luck on this part.

Haha, have you ever went to a mall with the intention to buy a certain item/product, then returning home with empty hands because you were overwhelmed by too many options?

I've been a console gamer for the last 20 years. Remember the time when it was easy: you just needed to know how many bits the console has.
Now I'm starting to deal with stuff like 28nm, 14nm, buffer, ram clock speed, Teraflops, HBM,secret sauce.....

This has literally never happened to me ever... not for video games, not for PCs, not for anything ever. I know what I want to buy BEFORE I leave, otherwise I wouldn't go out. Also it has nothing to do with console gamers... The best selling hardware for consoles has been the lesser in most generations (PS1, PS2, Gameboy, DS, etc)
 
You're wrong about the install base. Ps3 eclisped Xbox 360 sales in 2013.

You are right, I was looking at NA. Globally PS3 sold more, I was wrong on that detail.

My point stands though, can't deny X1 sales have been eclipsed by PS4 due to the overall value of the machine and price was a factor in that value.
 
God i hope it is true! All of it! Iam also registred at pcgameshardware.de It is a german PC Master Race Site with of course a Forum. Theres a Console Section there where they go on the Hunt to disrespect Consoles and People who defend them.

They need to get their Mouths shut! And then i want to see all those Comparisions from Digital Foundry in wich the PS4k shows similar Details like ultra PC Versions...

Why don't you just ignore people's insecurities?
 
God i hope it is true! All of it! Iam also registred at pcgameshardware.de It is a german PC Master Race Site with of course a Forum. Theres a Console Section there where they go on the Hunt to disrespect Consoles and People who defend them.

They need to get their Mouths shut! And then i want to see all those Comparisions from Digital Foundry in wich the PS4k shows similar Details like ultra PC Versions...

Errr, you do know that PCs will get new GPUs aswell - those will be once again much more powerful than your magic PS4K GPU, because they don't have to care about size, power consumption and heat.

Good luck, I don't like nerdy PC elitists, but they are going to eat you alive if you're trying to brag with your shiny new PS4K there.
 
Let's get real here for a minute.

When and if this thing comes out, the majority of us here bitching and arguing are going to end up getting it. We are the HARDCORE, we have multiple if not nearing 100's of post each in this thread, who are we fucking kidding by saying "fuck this, if Sony does this I am out"? You all know damn well that the majority of us are going to be getting this machine if it comes out this holiday or early next year. The temptation will be too much. If we were all casual gamers and we knew each other in real life and barely talked about video games I can see that, but we are GAF and we are the HARDCORE. If a better console with better specs and most of all better looking games, we will be there day one.

I will say that there will be a handful that may not, but I really think when this thing is reality and it is sitting on Store shelves or when they announce the pre-orders that many of us will be some of the first to nab a pre-order. Just being realistic, Been here far too long to know how this shit pans out. We love to argue and bitch things to death, going over the merits and potential pitfalls for almost anything gaming related, but when that shinning new PS4K is about to be released we all will be like little kids not being able to sleep the night before it comes out. Just saying :)

Yes sir... you have a valid point indeed. Hence this Y2Kev post as well... ;)

well they post less slightly negative things on the twitter and message boards as they hand over their cash

Haha, have you ever went to a mall with the intention to buy a certain item/product, then returning home with empty hands because you were overwhelmed by too many options?

I've been a console gamer for the last 20 years. Remember the time when it was easy: you just needed to know how many bits the console has.
Now I'm starting to deal with stuff like 28nm, 14nm, buffer, ram clock speed, Teraflops, HBM,secret sauce.....

No, but I did go to Best Buy last Monday with the intention of buying a certain model TV, only to go home with a higher spec one. Does that count? ;)
 
Errr, you do know that PCs will get new GPUs aswell - those will be once again much more powerful than your magic PS4K GPU, because they don't have to care about size, power consumption and heat.

Good luck, I don't like nerdy PC elitists, but they are going to eat you alive if you're trying to brag with your shiny new PS4K there.

You mean the current ones are already better :3
 
Why are so many people reading Phil's comments as " No xbox 1.5 coming at all"? That is def not what i took away from what was said.
 
Yes sir... you have a valid point indeed. Hence this Y2Kev post as well... ;)





No, but I did go to Best Buy last Monday with the intention of buying a certain model TV, only to go home with a higher spec one. Does that count? ;)

Kind of, this brings us back to the beginning of this thread:
People going out to buy a new console - returning with a PC with a Titan X ;P
 
I see that too, iteration will become shorter and shorter eventually console become a steambox with first party games; a lot of configuration a lot of option, low, mid low, mid, high mid, high, very high, ultra, extreme etc.
All play the same game, same input, same feature, for the rest of time.

This will be the first step towards that.

To be fair, it might go to Steamboxes regardless of this move or anything Sony/MS do or don't do. Ultimately their brand names might transition from hardware to being software based service-only alternatives to Steam.

Personally, they should be allowed to adapt to the changes of the market without being held to what consoles were 20 years ago.
 
I still think they will stay their course an extra year or two and PS5 in 2020/21 the earliest for the more sensical leap.

Sounds eminently sensible, with the mid-gen refresh of the PS4k being the actual mid-point of the generation, with about 3.5 years either side. A seven year gen is going to feel really long though.

Thinking about it, it makes me wonder how many who dislike the idea of the PS4k would be on board with the idea of five year generation cycles.
 
Sounds eminently sensible, with the mid-gen refresh of the PS4k being the actual mid-point of the generation, with about 3.5 years either side. A seven year gen is going to feel really long though.

Well time is relative, and also very perception based (especially as you get older), lol.

I mean, over 2 years have passed, and it is already April. I swear it just felt like they came out yesterday.

I think this mid gen spec boost will help alleviate that for those who feel that way. And it still will not be as bad as last gen with no spec boost whatsoever.

Thinking about it, it makes me wonder how many who dislike the idea of the PS4k would be on board with the idea of five year generation cycles.

To me, this is essentially the same thing. It just that the same ecosystem and naming has people all in a mental gymnastic with their minds. What is an extra 1.5 to 2 years going to do? Not give you the performance bump in a console form factor to earn the name PS5 (Or Xbox 4, lets be honest MSFT, silly ass names), that is for sure.
 
I dont care about PC gaming. This topic is about a potentional midgen console upgrade.
To think the two aren't related though is a bit naive. Consoles have slowly but surely been edging their way into being glorified pre-built PCs. The possible mid-gen upgrade is even evidence of that, as are Microsoft's efforts to integrate XBONE and Windows 10. In the not so distant future it is very likely that consoles and PCs will be one and the same
 
I don't even wanna know what happens when Pascal and Polaris release and then GP100 Pascal next year.

Yes, me falling for the bait...minor issue.
This guy going into a PC thread with huge buffalo balls after purchasing PS4K just to get his hopes and dreams crushed by some people with even larger ego-issues....man, we really should care for one another, lol.
 
To be fair, it might go to Steamboxes regardless of this move or anything Sony/MS do or don't do. Ultimately their brand names might transition from hardware to being software based service-only alternatives to Steam.

Personally, they should be allowed to adapt to the changes of the market without being held to what consoles were 20 years ago.

I don't know, do console have to go down that patch in order to survive? We are at that point now?
Many poster seems to embrace that, games as service, console as service, console become steambox, really?
Don't we all love traditional console and hope it keep to being a traditional as long as it could? Am I too old school?
 
There won't be console generations anymore if this is successful.

Now that is a very good point.

Having said that. If Sony does do this and MS does not then I'm never buying another Sony console again.
 
To think the two aren't related though is a bit naive. Consoles have slowly but surely been edging their way into being glorified pre-built PCs. The possible mid-gen upgrade is even evidence of that, as are Microsoft's efforts to integrate XBONE and Windows 10. In the not so distant future it is very likely that consoles and PCs will be one and the same

And PC's have been slowly, but surely migrating into pre-built boxes for your TV much like consoles (Steam Box, nVidia Shield, etc..).

So let us all hug, and realize we are a part of the same massive ecosystem in reality. ;)
 
Well time is relative, and also very perception based (especially as you get older), lol.

I mean, over 2 years have passed, and it is already April. I swear it just felt like they came out yesterday.

I think this mid gen spec boost will help alleviate that for those who feel that way. And it still will not be as bad as last gen with no spec boost whatsoever.

Funnily enough, I was thinking the opposite (I don't mean to be contrarian), and that this boost might annoy those who want to get to something more meaningfully powerful sooner, as it could elongate the generation. Who knows, maybe this box really will just be all about 4k and adding a console hybrid to Sony's range of 4k BD players, with PS5 coming a couple of years afterwards anyway.
 
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