If you think ps4k will be like a PC in ultra setting, you are very naive. At the best it can handle ps4 setting at 1080p 60 fps. But I'm even too much optmistic.
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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After re-reading, I think the way bigger problem with his post is that he as a console gamer is registered on a - as he calls it - PC Master Race board. Beep, beep....logic, anyone?
MADGAME
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Not knocking your decision, but for me personally I wouldn't be that extreme. As long as the value is there (price vs. advancements with upgrade vs. life cycle) I'd be okay with it.
Sanctuary
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What does your reply have to do with anything that I said, other than simply being a blatant, fanboyish response?
Let me spell it out for you, since that seems to be something you require:
1. I purchased a PS4 for the exclusives. Only one of which that I have wanted to play had been released yet, primarily because the rest either were only announced, or they were constantly pushed back.
2. Historically Sony systems have had a surplus of games that I've wanted to play, so buying the console early, before the rest of the games had been released didn't seem like it would be such a gamble.
3. Most of the "must play" exclusives aren't even out yet and they are already announcing their next system.
Why are you here again?
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Have to admit, that is pretty interesting and this is probably the biggest reason they are doing a PS4K. I am not particularly interested in the media content capabilities w/ the STB features as there are very few shows out there I even watch on TV anymore and I don't care for American sports, not to mention I doubt most of the films and animation I like will ever get 4K editions, but I'm in the minority on that note.
If they price it right ($399, maybe $450 max; that's already the extreme upper echelon of many 4K media players and feature-loaded boxes out right now seems like), I think they can be successful.
CosmicQueso
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Link?
PeterLegend
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ill be in at $499, forget VR.
I'm in for better hardware and 4K video playback.
I'm in for better hardware and 4K video playback.
When did Sony announce anything?
Krisprolls
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I'm probably in for both. VR is a good reason to upgrade anyway.
cyberheater
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If Sony did release a PS4K then I think a lot of folks will think twice about being a early adopter for PS5. I know I would. Especially when you know that Sony will release a PS5K less then halfway though it's lifespan.
DeepEnigma
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What? lol
How does that make your PS4 any less relevant, especially next to the already lower spec Xbox?
Goodness.
"No, no sir, I do not want the possible option for more power when I am starting to feel graphical fatigue, even though said more power runs the same software not affecting my current machine by them. I want one, a non-advancing with tech box for an entire generation, and gladly accept the shortcomings, which we complain about already, with no ability to remedy them. But if they both do it, then, then it is gravy."
;P
And a lot of folks will still just, early adopt, because there are those who always have to have the 'latest and greatest'.
Krisprolls
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Knowing a better PC spec will release soon has never stopped people from buying a new PC.
It's the same here. You will get a new PlayStation every 3 years and you buy a new one when you want.
Everything will be x86 and full BC anyway so you can stop upgrading and still play the new games for years.
It's better than before, not worse.
AltissimaRatio
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I
It was not meant to be bait - I was not talking about 4k and ultra Details. Today we see PS4 settings are mostly around medium/high in comparision to PC.
Shurley the PS4k would be able to deliver ultra presets at 1080p and may be gets it blown up to a 4k non native. If it comes of course with 2 times more Render Grunt of corse.
Question of the Universe i guess..
cyberheater
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How is it even remotely comparable. A PC is modular. You can upgrade as you go. If you want to upgrade a PS4 you have to buy a new console.
MatrixMan.EXE
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You better start gaming on PC.
Sanctuary
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Oh right, insider information doesn't count if it's not an official announcement. So why does this thread exist again? If you want to say that it's all conjecture at this point, then include everything I've said as well. Maybe I should have prefaced with "they are probably about to announce..." instead.
Though I'm starting to arrange myself with this new possible sceneario, yes, this is an issue that can't be denied. If you want an advise from me:
1. don't moan, cause this won't change shit about your situation
2. act, meaning from now on learn to be patient with new purchases - buy new hardware when the software you want is there or try to find better options
3. Take a small part of the blame and learn from it: early adopting is only for those who can't wait. What are day one XboxOne owners (no more kinect, price reduction) going to say if MS releases Xbox1.5 soon?
optional: prepare tons of salt when PS5 is released earlier than expected for those who didn't agree with you on that issue...I know this is lame, but maybe you're going to get at least a little comfort from doing so
potatohead
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Lol so salty.
Having a 7-8 year long cycle was stupid anyway. Mid-cycle hardware refresh? Yes please.
Phone business showed there'll always be people who stick to low-mid end devices and those who only buy top flagships. Bring on the power of choice.
What's wrong to feel worried about the old ps4 model? I mean, who guarantee port will be optimal if ps4k will start to sell like an hotcake? And if I haven't the money to replace ps4 so early? It's normal I guess.
Kralamoonard
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I'm thinking Sony will probably hold off releasing it this year as to not draw consumers away from PSVR or to risk cannabalising its sales. What do you guys think?
DeepEnigma
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This is exactly what all 3 console makers want to do. So I guess some people will just have to quit console gaming and go PC... or go mobile... wait a minute!
Why does any thread on here exist? If we could only discuss absolutes and not hypotheticals, or tales from the ass
, this place would get pretty boring, very quickly.Ok, let me ask you one thing: is ULTRA from 2012 the same thing as ULTRA from 2016?
Let's be real, there are enough folks out there who want the latest tech; they'll be there Day 1 to shell out cash for the PS5, regardless of a potentially more powerful SKU being released 3-4 years from launch.
I myself will get a PS4K and hold out for the PS5K. Upgrading at mid-gen cycles seems more ideal to my needs, as opposed to grabbing a Vanilla SKU at launch.
Krisprolls
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You can't upgrade anything alone on PC. You get new CPUs, new motherboards, new GPUs, but they work together and a balanced spec needs you to upgrade everything.
Sockets and norms change, i always has to change the whole PC every few years.
cyberheater
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I have a VR capable PC. I'm good to go.
Pancakes R Us
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Hahaha. Console warZ. German style.
That would be ideal.
Though I hope PS4K releases within a years' time, because I already sold PS4 in anticipation for PS4K (found an insane buyer who paid me $400 for a 2 year-old vanilla PS4, lol).
cyberheater
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Utter rubbish. I've had my i5 processor, motherboard and memory for over 5 years. I can keep upgrading my GPU for years to come.
Sanctuary
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This is exactly what all 3 console makers want to do. So I guess some people will just have to quit console gaming and go PC... or go mobile... wait a minute!
Funny how the two aren't comparable. When you upgrade a PC, your previous games get a significant boost. Has this ever happened with consoles? The OP even states that's not going to happen generally with the PS4k, and it would require the developer to make a patch for it to specifically do so. This might happen with a select few titles, but the vast majority? LOL.
Currently still using an i5 as well in my older system, and I just replaced a 580 with my older 780.
Why does any thread on here exist? If we could only discuss absolutes and not hypotheticals, or tales from the ass
It's just in response to someone being so literal.
DeepEnigma
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Which is EXACTLY what people do with phones, tablets, TV's, etc., etc..
There are those who upgrade yearly, 's' revisions, etc..
Lines will be blurred, the world will still turn. The only way this really fails, is if the ecosystem fails. If their software (ecosystem) is up to snuff, then it will just continue on as we have now in other forms of tech.
We will find out if/when Sony finally makes an announcement, won't we?
Just curious, have you even read a little bit of this thread? Like at all?
This. I've been running the same ram, motherboard and cpu for 6 years. Only thing I've changed is the GPU.
Kralamoonard
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It would be ideal. And oh yeah lol, I read your post haha...man if all of this turns out to be incorrect 😂😂😂
But for real tho, that is a nice price to get on a two year old PS4. And you were right about the backlog thing. My backlog on the PS3 is massive too (since I was a casual most of last gen so I've had a lot of catching up to do), and my PS4 isn't helping either with new games coming out every week lol. All that, coupled with my final year before heading off to medical school (if I get the grades), has meant I haven't had much time to play anything lol -- haven't been on in weeks -- and the only gaming related thing I do is GAF lol as it's quick and easy.
I've got enough games to last me a decade so I'm in no rush to get the 4K - I'm sure you're not either
As others above me have said already, this is just objectively untrue.
Has there been an update from Osiris or something? because even the OP says current games won't be getting performance upgrades unless it's through a patch.
And how much does it cost you to upgrade your GPU each time?
I don't know why people is getting so upset about it. It's gonna be a PS4 slim with revisted features, small APU with slight better perfomance, 4K capable, etc.
I don't believe its 2X perfornace probably 1.5x at max, not gonna be a AMD's Polarias APU 14mm finfet like some people is saying. Polaris and Zen are a new architecture that would requiere a whole reengineering of the system, so no.
Just calm down.
I don't believe its 2X perfornace probably 1.5x at max, not gonna be a AMD's Polarias APU 14mm finfet like some people is saying. Polaris and Zen are a new architecture that would requiere a whole reengineering of the system, so no.
Just calm down.
gundamkyoukai
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Do you play games on PC ?
A lot of people that play consoles games don't game at all on PC.
So they are not going to wait 3 to 4 years for PS5K or what ever it call.
I will be there day 1 and will just sell or give away for old system when the time comes .
Dictator93
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2000 USD. Like all compuiter components.
Mister Megative
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Yeah, right.
Night Angel
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You must've hit a sale. I've yet to pay less than $2500 for a single PC part.
DeepEnigma
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Hence why I said, we will wait until Sony says something.
Regardless. All software going forward can be built to take advantage. It is not like your old shit you already played stops working. For me, KOTOR or the like did not change for me, just because my PC has always been able to make it run better as I upgraded. A great game is a great game.
Or is the new goalpost now, 'your older software performs the same, boo'?
Hahahaha
Not really correct, mostly the GPU will require upgrading at some point (and even then it will last you a good 2 or 3 generations at some point before you realistically have to upgrade) but the lifecycle of a good cpu/mother/memory combo for people who don't need the very cutting edge as soon as it's released is waay higher.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Traditional consoles and their lifespans existed because of things like regular node shrinks/GPU power envelopes/recoup pricing at a specific price point...most of that has changed drastically.
I'd love an exotic hardware $600 console priced at $400 that lasts 7 years, but that's not what the PS4 is, it's a $400 box filled with three year old average-tier PC hardware that is fighting off Steamboxes and VR.
cyberheater
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Hardly the point. When I upgrade my GPU I'm getting performance far in excess of current consoles.
Yep I do game on PC.
That entirely depends on the user, the games they play, and the settings they hope to achieve. And, you can always sell your old components as well detracting from the upgrade cost. The first computer I ever built cost $650, played most games at 1080p on High settings, and sold for $500 three years later which went into building the computer I still have today.
THE:MILKMAN
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Any devs here that could inform us how they would go about dealing with the two SKUs?
I assume, given that God of War 4? is being developed on the new devkit, that all games by WWS at least will target the new system and then adjust down for PS4.
Just what would be involved in this process and what are the pitfalls?
I assume, given that God of War 4? is being developed on the new devkit, that all games by WWS at least will target the new system and then adjust down for PS4.
Just what would be involved in this process and what are the pitfalls?
biglittleps
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If you had better understanding of current game industry then you will not say this. Game development costs and time required to make them has been almost doubled in this generation due to Full HD and pushing visuals even more than last to market this as next gen. Game market has been saturated due to mobiles and PC F2P models, so people no longer have to pay to play games and social gaming pushing online modes as priority. So gamers this generation demand more but pay less even though costs have been increased to make them and criticizing a lot with bad word of mouth by painting their opinions over others in social networks which is costing a lot sales for developers.
Also rise of PC gaming due to indies and F2P models along with options that PC is providing for hardcore gamers in graphics/fps, mods, vr etc., attracting a lot of console users (mostly because of PC gamers efforts in convincing PC is best and consoles are shit in internet). This is why MS is also integrating Xbox into PC as a ecosystem and Sony is trying to provide options in PS4k to stop those hardcore people moving away from console for best experience in PC(especially for their PS VR). PS4K is not gonna be priced for mass adoption and its just a service for those who want premium experience and regular PS4 provides like what we are used to from a console so far. PS4 will still get the all the games made like they intended to be and this PS4k is just extension for enthusiasts. If you bought PS4 for playing their exclusives then you will get to play as they are not moving away. They are already many games that are must play in PS4 but it depends on your interest due to its diversity.
To be honest 3 years upgrade option (not replacement to original model) is a fair one instead of 6 years to completely replace it, so console also can keep up with moving technology instead of being stuck in past. Hope Sony does better marketing to not to confuse about this PS4K by giving more attention to this. They just need to release this PS4K silently without much fuss and better market the Slim version of PS4 more which can reach sweet spot of $300 this year.
Larson Conway
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I am flabbergasted.
How... What...
What is Sony trying to do here? Alienate current PS4 owners with games optimized for the 4K? Why even make this move this early? I am so confused. It's too early in the gen cycle to be announcing what is essentially a PS5.
How... What...
What is Sony trying to do here? Alienate current PS4 owners with games optimized for the 4K? Why even make this move this early? I am so confused. It's too early in the gen cycle to be announcing what is essentially a PS5.