LOST 06.05: "Lighthouse" (Ben has been Claire'd for this week)

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omg rite said:
Correction: There are THREE John Lockes in "The Substitute".

Correction: There are ATLEAST three John Lockes in "The Substitute".

I wasn't entirely convinced with the 'what boy' of Locke. On first viewing I thought "is this another Locke who doesn't know there is a boy running around in the jungle.


On a side note, Sarah, ex-miss Jack, is the milf from Modern Family! (The blonde one ;))
 
I just watched this episode - fucking retarded. Jack
has a son?!
Are you fucking kidding me?! God I hate Lost... *goes to Lostpedia to mull over theories*
 
JasonMCG said:
I just watched this episode - fucking retarded. Jack
has a son?!
Are you fucking kidding me?! God I hate Lost... *goes to Lostpedia to mull over theories*

I thought the rule was that it was allowed to talk about the ep after it has aired in the US?
 
JasonMCG said:
I just watched this episode - fucking retarded. Jack
has a son?!
Are you fucking kidding me?! God I hate Lost... *goes to Lostpedia to mull over theories*

OMG JACK WHO NEVER CRASHED ON THE ISLAND HAS A SON
 
JasonMCG said:
I just watched this episode - fucking retarded. Jack
has a son?!
Are you fucking kidding me?! God I hate Lost... *goes to Lostpedia to mull over theories*
Huh? Whats retarded about that? This is a different timeline.. its not like he had hidden children that never came up during the original timeline.

Solo said:
OMG JACK WHO NEVER CRASHED ON THE ISLAND HAS A SON
FUCKING BULLSHIT!
 
Number 2 said:
Huh? Whats retarded about that? This is a different timeline.. its not like he had hidden children that never came up during the original timeline.
I'm watching under the impression that the Jack that didn't crash is the same Jack that crashed on the island is S1. If that's true, then the fact that he hasn't brought up his kid ever seems ridiculous to me. Then again, I might not be grasping the concepts as fast (or correctly) as the rest of you guys.

itsgreen said:
I thought the rule was that it was allowed to talk about the ep after it has aired in the US?
I dunno, I just thought I'd spoiler tag it for those dropping in who may not have seen the episode yet. I know I do it sometimes just out of curiosity.
 
JasonMCG said:
I'm watching under the impression that the LA Jack that didn't crash is the same Jack that crashed on the island is S1. If that's true, then the fact that he hasn't brought up his kid ever seems ridiculous to me. Then again, I might not be grasping the concepts as fast (or correctly) as the rest of you guys.
There's no definite answer to why things are different, but the current theory is that this is what life would have been like for them without Jacob's interference.
 
Nameless said:
I'm finding the X-timeline is kicking a lot of people's ass. Co-Worker "WTF so are they like dead..or are they alive, whats going on"?

Me: Yes
I understand that part of the appeal of Lost is the mindfuck and the questions, but having put up with carrots-on-a-stick for five seasons...I guess I'm in the wrong thread to be complaining, though... :\
 
JasonMCG said:
I'm watching under the impression that the Jack that didn't crash is the same Jack that crashed on the island is S1. If that's true, then the fact that he hasn't brought up his kid ever seems ridiculous to me. Then again, I might not be grasping the concepts as fast (or correctly) as the rest of you guys.

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JasonMCG said:
I'm watching under the impression that the Jack that didn't crash is the same Jack that crashed on the island is S1. If that's true, then the fact that he hasn't brought up his kid ever seems ridiculous to me. Then again, I might not be grasping the concepts as fast (or correctly) as the rest of you guys.


I dunno, I just thought I'd spoiler tag it for those dropping in who may not have seen the episode yet. I know I do it sometimes just out of curiosity.

The ramifications of no-island go further than no-crash survivors...

For instance Sawyer was touched by Jacob when he was just a little boy in 1976 (I like how that comes out)

Butterfly effect and all....
 
JasonMCG said:
I'm watching under the impression that the Jack that didn't crash is the same Jack that crashed on the island is S1. If that's true, then the fact that he hasn't brought up his kid ever seems ridiculous to me. Then again, I might not be grasping the concepts as fast (or correctly) as the rest of you guys.

I thought they made it pretty clear that the timeline split before the plane crash in LA X. Shannon wasn't on the plane, Desmond was, Hurley proclaimed himself the luckiest guy in the world.

Jack didn't have a son in the original timeline. The timelines split before the plane crash even happened.

They hammered it in even further in this episode by having Jack say, "I'd make a terrible dad," as if the writers were saying, "No, he doesn't have a son that we've been hiding for five years. This is a difference between the timelines."
 
JasonMCG said:
I'm watching under the impression that the Jack that didn't crash is the same Jack that crashed on the island is S1.
Just like that Hurley guy who was always really lucky having won the lottery, and that Locke bloke who was on speaking terms with his dad.

It'll be interesting to see how they explain Jack's 2 appendix's though.
 
JasonMCG said:
I understand that part of the appeal of Lost is the mindfuck and the questions, but having put up with carrots-on-a-stick for five seasons...but I guess I'm in the wrong thread to be complaining, though... :\

Have the unanswered questions really prevented you from becoming engrossed in the story that the show has been trying to tell? I do understand your frustrations, though.

To clarify, as best we can tell the nuke going off not only maintained the continuity of the familiar timeline(What happened happened), but at the same time created a new timeline where the electromagnetism was negated, the island sunk, and as a result flight 815 never crashed. So Jack's planned worked and at the same time it didn't work. The X timeline is no less real than the one we've been watching for 5 1/2 years.

The point of it all, at least as it relates to the bigger picture is unknown. But what we're seeing is the lives of these characters in a reality where they were never pre-destined to crash on the Island, a reality without Jacob "pushing" them there. So while some things are the same(Jack going to Australia to find his father/Locke going to Australia to go on a walkabout) a lot is different(Jack having a son/Locke being engaged to Helen). The one constant being that Island or No Island, these character's lives are interconnected with each other.
 
I'm starting to understand why TV shows feel the need to spoonfeed its audience the plot when I see some people talk about Lost. Heh.
 
Nameless said:
Have the unanswered questions really prevented you from becoming engrossed in the story that the show has been trying to tell? I do understand your frustrations, though.

To clarify, as best we can tell the nuke going off not only maintained the continuity of the familiar timeline(What happened happened), but at the same time created a new timeline where the electromagnetism was negated, the island sunk, and as a result flight 815 never crashed. So Jack's planned worked and at the same time it didn't work. The X timeline is no less real than the one we've been watching for 5 1/2 years.

The point of it all, at least as it relates to the bigger picture is unknown. But what we're seeing is the lives of these characters in a reality where they were never pre-destined to crash on the Island, a reality without Jacob "pushing" them there. So while some things are the same(Jack going to Australia to find his father/Locke going to Australia to go on a walkabout) a lot is different(Jack having a son/Locke being engaged to Helen). The one constant being that Island or No Island, these character's lives are interconnected with each other.
Thank you.
 
omg rite said:
I'm starting to understand why TV shows feel the need to spoonfeed its audience the plot when I see some people talk about Lost. Heh.

Read your post earlier while waiting in line at the grocery store, it made me laugh because I think we've all been there. I've tried my best to simplify it so I don't sound like an insane person but it's unavoidable. Fuck it, just gotta own that shit.
 
My friend is now 3 episodes into season 5, talking S4 finale with him right now:


"i like how the standard way to get to the ancient island moving wheel is to destroy the probably billion dollar time travel machine"

"yeah even after u see its locke in the coffin its still like "WHAAAAAAAT"":lol :lol
 
omg rite said:
Today at work, someone asked me to explain Lost to them, as they hate fantasy shows. He was like, "So they crash on an island. Then what?" That was literally all he knew about the show.

I then realized that verbally summing up 6 years of Lost makes a person sound clinically insane.

This is what I said, almost word for word if I remember everything correctly. He said he has no desire to watch it, so to explain it to him. So I tried to make it sound more ridiculous than it already is. :lol

"Okay well they crash on an island. And there's a smoke monster and there's these other people that live on the island. And they try to get off the island. That's season 1. Season 2, they're still trying to get off the island. Except they find a man living in a one room apartment underground who is saving the world by pressing a button every 108 minutes so that takes up a lot of their time. Then it blows up. Then in the season 3 finale instead of doing flashbacks to the characters lives, they do a flash FORWARD to the future and show that they get off the island. Season 4 keeps doing this and shows how they get off the island.

Then in season 5 they try to get BACK to the island because they left people behind. But when they get to the island they land in the 1970's. So they set off a nuke on the island which pushes them back to 2007.

There's also this cabin on the island where this guy named Jacob lives. And the cabin can teleport and it hops around the island. In the season 5 season finale you find out this Jacob guy has been visiting the characters since they were kids, PUSHING them to the island. And one of the characters is dead and this other guy who wants to kill Jacob is posing as the guy that's dead.

Oh, and there's a big wheel underground and this guy named Ben drives the island around."

He was just stunned and said that he likes shows where he knows the stuff could happen in real life. :lol
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
neoism said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Haha. I forgot that after, he asked me how they managed to find a nuke and what made them think that would make them time travel. My answer: "a twitchy guy with a beard thought it would work based on a math equation. Then he was shot and killed by his own mother while she was pregnant with him."
 
hey guys,

Locke dies in 2007,

The losties leave in 2004.

How does Claire talk to Flocke from 04-07 if Locke is still alive?

It can't be Christian because she knows that is her dad and refers to him as Dad in Season 4.

But in Lighthouse once she saw Locke she said that was my friend i was talking about. But it does not make sense since Locke just died a couple of days prior so how could they have been friends for 3 years? Or she can just tell it is MiB and MiB was using a different body prior to Locke dying?
 
mackaveli said:
hey guys,

Locke dies in 2007,

The losties leave in 2004.

How does Claire talk to Flocke from 04-07 if Locke is still alive?

It can't be Christian because she knows that is her dad and refers to him as Dad in Season 4.

But in Lighthouse once she saw Locke she said that was my friend i was talking about. But it does not make sense since Locke just died a couple of days prior so how could they have been friends for 3 years? Or she can just tell it is MiB and MiB was using a different body prior to Locke dying?
Pretty much, yea. she doesn't see him as locke like the rest of us do. Puttin moeny down on this bet.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Pretty much, yea. she doesn't see him as locke like the rest of us do. Puttin moeny down on this bet.

Yeah to me she sounded like "dude, how can you even think that is locke, come on, he is totally different, nothing about him is locke"
 
Nameless said:
Have the unanswered questions really prevented you from becoming engrossed in the story that the show has been trying to tell? I do understand your frustrations, though.

To clarify, as best we can tell the nuke going off not only maintained the continuity of the familiar timeline(What happened happened), but at the same time created a new timeline where the electromagnetism was negated, the island sunk, and as a result flight 815 never crashed. So Jack's planned worked and at the same time it didn't work. The X timeline is no less real than the one we've been watching for 5 1/2 years.

The point of it all, at least as it relates to the bigger picture is unknown. But what we're seeing is the lives of these characters in a reality where they were never pre-destined to crash on the Island, a reality without Jacob "pushing" them there. So while some things are the same(Jack going to Australia to find his father/Locke going to Australia to go on a walkabout) a lot is different(Jack having a son/Locke being engaged to Helen). The one constant being that Island or No Island, these character's lives are interconnected with each other.

Yeah, that's basically it. In the process, the alternate timeline is doing a few things:

1) Showing us a bit about Course Correction, with things playing out in somewhat similar ways, people meeting and interacting with characters, etc. despite the vastly different circumstances.

2) Showing us how big of a shithead Jacob is. Even if he really does turn out to be the good guy, the circumstances in X land will sincerely make us wonder at what cost Jacob's game comes at.

3) Potentially explaining some of the show's mysteries, if this X timeline happens to have been interacting with the characters we know throughout the series.

There is, however, the chance that Jughead is not the cause of the X timeline. Ben being alive but on the island at the time of the blast makes things kind of screwy.

I suspect that the X timeline is "unstable" since Whatever Happened, can't Happen because there is no island to preserve some of the screwier time loops.
 
mackaveli said:
hey guys,

Locke dies in 2007,

The losties leave in 2004.

How does Claire talk to Flocke from 04-07 if Locke is still alive?

It can't be Christian because she knows that is her dad and refers to him as Dad in Season 4.

But in Lighthouse once she saw Locke she said that was my friend i was talking about. But it does not make sense since Locke just died a couple of days prior so how could they have been friends for 3 years? Or she can just tell it is MiB and MiB was using a different body prior to Locke dying?

After Jin says "Locke?" All surprised with his token confused face, doesn't Claire outright say "That's not Locke, that's my friend I was talking about." Which implies shes been in contact with smokie in some form. Or I'm I remembering it wrong?
 
I've started to watch the old episodes to pass the time, and I noticed that this isn't the first time we have seen 108. It also appeared inside the Swan Hatch, specifically the episode "Man of Science, Man of Faith" of season 2 in the colored chalk drawing on the wall. Whether if it's just coincidence or not or even if it's been mentioned yet, well I don't know, but I'd figured I'd bounce it off you guys.
 
got2bekidding said:
I've started to watch the old episodes to pass the time, and I noticed that this isn't the first time we have seen 108. It also appeared inside the Swan Hatch, specifically the episode "Man of Science, Man of Faith" of season 2 in the colored chalk drawing on the wall. Whether if it's just coincidence or not or even if it's been mentioned yet, well I don't know, but I'd figured I'd bounce it off you guys.

I am going to blow your fricking mind...

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108!

Also in the hatch they had to press the button every X amount of minutes... guess X
 
got2bekidding said:
I've started to watch the old episodes to pass the time, and I noticed that this isn't the first time we have seen 108. It also appeared inside the Swan Hatch, specifically the episode "Man of Science, Man of Faith" of season 2 in the colored chalk drawing on the wall. Whether if it's just coincidence or not or even if it's been mentioned yet, well I don't know, but I'd figured I'd bounce it off you guys.
4 8 15 16 23 42 add up to 108. They had to press the button every 108 minutes. There's a ton of other things. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/108
 
got2bekidding said:
Yeah, I know how to add. Thanks. I was looking for something, you know, bigger than addition.
I just gave you a list full of things bigger asshole.

Of course you can add. Since you just noticed this isn't the first time we see 108, one could assume you havent bothered to add the numbers up yet. Sorry we assumed wrong.
 
DeathNote said:
I just gave you a list full of things bigger asshole.

Of course you can add. Since you just noticed this isn't the first time we see 108, one could assume you havent bothered to add the numbers up yet. Sorry we assumed wrong.
Asshole, really? Someone's touchy. Look dude, this is the last season and as with any show, if you go back and watch the earlier episodes, you are able to catch things that you normally wouldn't have been able to do. In the episode I mentioned, there is the drawing, so maybe somebody, somewhere can look at it and make some sense out if it that they wouldn't have way back then. So fucking sorry I didn't have my mind blown by some shit I learned to do in grade school and that someone who has been watching the show would know. Capiche?
 
Man the ending to that episode was so amazing, i've watched just that bit several times.. Everyone's reaction to Claire saying "this is my friend" is fantastic (even her own after Jin's)
got2bekidding said:
Yeah, I know how to add. Thanks. I was looking for something, you know, bigger than addition.
are you joking?
EDIT: wow.. you are not
 
The significance of the Earth X timeline: it weighs in on the biggest thematic struggle in the show. Destiny versus free will. Did Jacob/The Island force the Losties into certain situations, or did the Losties get themselves into said situations. How different are their lives if they are not "nudged" into a direction by some omnipotent force? This is the significance of the timeline. It also sort of adds to the whole "Jacob is the bad guy" theory. Jacob fucked up the lives of A LOT of people by bringing them to the island/interweaving them with the island's powers. And for what? Every week, we've been seeing the Earth X timeline unfold, and every week we're beginning to realize that the Earth X timeline is probably going to have a much happier conclusion. Jacob's "nudges" fucked up everyone's lives.
 
got2bekidding said:
Yeah, I know how to add. Thanks. I was looking for something, you know, bigger than addition.

What more do you want? It's just the numbers added up, which makes it a sort of unofficial seventh number.
 
tabsina said:
are you joking?
EDIT: wow.. you are not
Why would I be joking? Go back in this thread and look how many times that specific thing has been discussed. The point of this discussion board is to read everything that's been posted. Every time someone has come in here exclaiming that the numbers add up to 108, people sarcastically reply with "wow" or some variant. So no, since I've been paying attention to this thread, I wasn't joking.

KevinCow said:
What more do you want? It's just the numbers added up, which makes it a sort of unofficial seventh number.
It obviously applies to more than that since someone was number 108. You don't want to try to dig up who that might be? We have a name, though it's been crossed out, but it's got to be important. Jacob said that he will find his way even though the mirrors were busted out by Jack. Maybe that was a metaphor for Jack finding his way, who knows, but as we've seen from this show is that nothing is as it seems. Personally, I think someone is coming. Who? Don't know, but since it isn't Tuesday and everyone likes discussing these things, I figured I'd bring it up. It's not like Lostipedia knows what that mural is all about, but it has 108 on it. Twice in fact and one of them is written directly on the sun. This show, light and dark right?

TheGreatDave said:
Looks like the infection has spread to this thread.
You going to put me down, Rousseau?
 
got2bekidding said:
Asshole, really? Someone's touchy. Look dude, this is the last season and as with any show, if you go back and watch the earlier episodes, you are able to catch things that you normally wouldn't have been able to do. In the episode I mentioned, there is the drawing, so maybe somebody, somewhere can look at it and make some sense out if it that they wouldn't have way back then. So fucking sorry I didn't have my mind blown by some shit I learned to do in grade school and that someone who has been watching the show would know. Capiche?
You're still stuck on proving you can add? Someone so defensive about it must have had bad experiences with it in the past. Perhaps you got held back in grade because of poor math skills? Perhaps you were the only one who couldn't learn the times tables?

We're not mind readers. We don't know what 108 occurrences you know and don't know. For you to act like baby because of something so trivial is pathetic.

You only have 6 posts in this thread, and 4 was dedicated to this conversation. You really bring a lot to the table. Good job.
 
The numbers are the Valenzetti Equation which deals with the end of the world. They add up to 108. 108 = Wallace. Wallace = Smokey. Smokey leaving the island = the end of the world. He will consume everything.

Jacob is trying to stop the end of the world.

LOST finale has been spoiled.

You heard it here first.
 
ALaz502 said:
Jacob is trying to stop the end of the world.

LOST finale has been spoiled.
I sort of like the idea that maybe the X timeline is the one where smokey succeeded and things are going to start going horribly wrong somehow.
 
I thought Wallace was just someone random. Jacob just chose 108, and Jack went to the lighthouse and did what Jacob manipulated him into doing. I didn't think there was anything beyond that.
 
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big ander said:
I thought Wallace was just someone random. Jacob just chose 108, and Jack went to the lighthouse and did what Jacob manipulated him into doing. I didn't think there was anything beyond that.
I don't know, but as I was trying to point out with mural, it was the first time we actually saw 108. In that mural, there is a rocket like the one Dogan had commanded be shot off. From that, I would guess we can figure that mural has some things in it that actually deal with season 6.
 
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