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[metalslimer]

Amazing result tonight. It's crazy to think that practically no one in this country even knew who Sanders was this time last year, and now he's still winning states against a political juggernaut, as well as polling extremely well against big names like Trump and Cruz.

Win or lose, this campaign is something Democrats can learn a lot from, and hopefully use in the future.

Actually the one thing they can't learn is how his campaign has been run. His campaign strategy was terrible from the beginning and even he would admit that. The democrats also aren't going too far left in the primary that makes a general election unwinnable

 

[Phased]

I don't understand this either. Why would the DNC care about states that they don't have a chance to win in to determine which candidate they pick. Shouldn't they just care about the votes in the swing states and the blue states?

Yeah screw all those Democrats in Red states. Their votes don't matter.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I don't understand this either. Why would the DNC care about states that they don't have a chance to win in to determine which candidate they pick. Shouldn't they just care about the votes in the swing states and the blue states?

yeah and for that matter (and particularly considering your illustrious shitposting history), why not just exclude all votes from outside major urban centers. us urbanites just Know Better

 

[Tabris]

yeah and for that matter and considering your illustrious shitposting history, why not just exclude all votes from outside major urban centers. us urbanites just Know Better

I would love this in Canada. Rural Canada holds us back. Urbanites do know better, just in the fact they are urbanites instead of suburbanites or rural citizens, but that's another debate for another thread

 

[BigJonsson]

I would love this in Canada. Rural Canada holds us back. Urbanites do know better, just in the fact they are urbanites instead of suburbanites or rural citizens.

Tabris' views do not represent Canada

 

[Prinz Eugn]

Guys, guys, guys.

I just had an epiphany. why should we even let red states vote in a democratic primary? IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!

EDIT: Above is apparently sarcastic. Makes the below even more intriguing.

I don't understand this either. Why would the DNC care about states that they don't have a chance to win in to determine which candidate they pick. Shouldn't they just care about the votes in the swing states and the blue states?

It only makes sense once you think about it for two seconds. This is apparently a high bar.

• Denying blue voters in red stars a part in making the biggest decision the party has is a really good way of making sure those states stay red forever.
• It forces candidates to get to know issues in the whole country, rather than just the most friendly chunks.
• Democrats already have issues at the state level, the national party giving state parties a gigantic FUCK YOU is not going to help that.
• Disenfranchising people is ultra- ultra-scummy.

 

[Maxim726X]

I would love this in Canada. Rural Canada holds us back. Urbanites do know better, just in the fact they are urbanites instead of suburbanites or rural citizens.

I don't even know anymore... Is this sarcasm?

 

[Box of Kittens]

I don't understand this either. Why would the DNC care about states that they don't have a chance to win in to determine which candidate they pick. Shouldn't they just care about the votes in the swing states and the blue states?

Wow, what a terrible thing to say. First of all, those people are still Democrats so why shouldn't their votes count. Second of all, you'd be disproportionately disenfranchising African American voters within the Democratic Party. That is just awful.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

I see my shitposting/sarcasm needs a little more work.

 

[Box of Kittens]

I see my shitposting/sarcasm needs a little more work.

I think we all knew you were being sarcastic. I'm honestly not sure Tabris is, though.

 

[legacyzero]

I don't understand this either. Why would the DNC care about states that they don't have a chance to win in to determine which candidate they pick. Shouldn't they just care about the votes in the swing states and the blue states?

Because there's A LOT of fucking voters there that are dems.

 

[eBay Huckster]

take it from me:

he isn't

 

[Mr. RPG]

Honest question. If Bernie loses the nomination, how are you guys going to convince Bernie's supporters to vote for Hillary?

 

[Matt]

I don't understand this either. Why would the DNC care about states that they don't have a chance to win in to determine which candidate they pick. Shouldn't they just care about the votes in the swing states and the blue states?

Because this is the Democratic Primary, where the Democratic Party picks its candidate for President. A Democrat in Alabama has just as much right to be a part of that process as a Democrat in NY.

 

[Maxim726X]

Honest question. If Bernie loses the nomination, how are you guys going to convince Bernie's supporters to vote for Hillary?

If they really need to be convinced... Then they're a lost cause. It's really that simple.

 

[Gorger]

Honest question. If Bernie loses the nomination, how are you guys going to convince Bernie's supporters to vote for Hillary?

By showing the alternative which is Cruz or Trump. Not a hard choice.

 

[Mr. RPG]

By showing the alternative which is Cruz or Trump. Not a hard choice.

The other alternative is voting for a third party or not voting at all.

Many people don't trust Hillary.

 

[hawk2025]

Honest question. If Bernie loses the nomination, how are you guys going to convince Bernie's supporters to vote for Hillary?

You show a simple comparison of proposed policies between the available candidates.

People can decide for themselves what they prefer from there.

The other alternative is voting for a third party or not voting at all.

Many people don't trust Hillary.

If seeing a comprehensive list of proposed policies and voting records isn't enough, that is their decision to make and a right they have.

 

[maabus1999]

Honest question. If Bernie loses the nomination, how are you guys going to convince Bernie's supporters to vote for Hillary?

The actual supporters who need convincing are going to be near negligible in the end. Just like the Hillary supporters who said the same vs Obama.

Now if Bernie actively courts supporters to hold support for some reason, well, he basically would go down as probably as one of the most selfish Democratic presidential contenders in modern history. Would destroy his message and his legacy.

And you do know Clinton and Sanders have like a 93% similar voting record. If that isn't enough, then Conservative media has won with the Clinton attacks over the past two decades. And no she isn't perfect and yes she is a politician with all the baggage. But honestly, so do all the rest...

 

[Mr. RPG]

I'm a bit disappointed that you guys aren't even going to bother trying to convince Bernie's supporters to vote for your candidate.

No wonder Hillary lost all of those caucuses.

 

[hawk2025]

I'm a bit disappointed that you guys aren't even going to bother trying to convince Bernie's supporters to vote for your candidate.

No wonder Hillary lost all of those caucuses.

I'm a bit disappointed that you think pointing out policy and voting records isn't trying to convince someone.


That speaks volumes.

 

[Maxim726X]

I'm a bit disappointed that you think pointing out policy and voting records isn't trying to convince someone.


That speaks volumes.

I don't think he's serious?

If he is- it's time for bed.

 

[AlexBasch]

I'm gonna express in the language of my people.

Te mamaste.

Al chile, te mamaste.

 

[Mr. RPG]

I'm a bit disappointed that you think pointing out policy and voting records isn't trying to convince someone.

That's what many of you guys have been doing this entire election, but for different reasons...

 

[Big Baybee]

I'm a bit disappointed that you guys aren't even going to bother trying to convince Bernie's supporters to vote for your candidate.

No wonder Hillary lost all of those caucuses.

You can only do so much. If pointing to her record and listing her policies isn't enough, what else can you do? The majority of Bernie supporters will do the right thing so I'm not too worried.

 

[hawk2025]

That's what many of you guys have been doing this entire election, but for different reasons...

I have no idea what you mean.

 

[David H Wong]

Honest question. If Bernie loses the nomination, how are you guys going to convince Bernie's supporters to vote for Hillary?

Same way it happens in every single election with a primary challenger. Same way Hillary voters were convinced to support Obama even though they were twice as bitter as Bernie voters are this time.

Everyone unites for the greater cause.

 

[Gorger]

The other alternative is voting for a third party or not voting at all.

Many people don't trust Hillary.

Voting for a third party is like throwing your vote away and not voting at all will just increase the chance of Trump / Cruz winning. By looking at the alternatives Hillary is an easy second choice no matter how untrustworthy she is. But this is coming from a foreigner, I am really glad we don't have a two-party system in my country. Most important is that none of the republican candidate makes it to the white house.

 

[LizardKing]

Because this is the Democratic Primary, where the Democratic Party picks its candidate for President. A Democrat in Alabama has just as much right to be a part of that process as a Democrat in NY.

Actually that's not true, the delegates are weighted more heavily towards the blue states per population.

 

[David H Wong]

By the way, Hillary would be in deep trouble in the general in any other election year - she has very high negative ratings for a nominee. But they are positively rosy compared to the potential Republicans. Trump would be the most unpopular nominee since polling began, she'd rack up like 470 delegates in that election. It's not even close, you've got the majority of Republicans saying they can't stand him now, turnout would be a disaster.

So everyone saying she's unpopular, you're right - she's been steadily attacked for 25 straight years by everyone on the other side of the aisle. She's been accused of murder by these guys! Multiple times!

If the GOP could have fielded ANY kind of reasonable candidate, they'd win. Instead...

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Voting for a third party is like throwing your vote away and not voting at all will just increase the chance of Trump / Cruz winning. By looking at the alternatives Hillary is an easy second choice no matter how untrustworthy she is. But this is coming from a foreigner, I am really glad we don't have a two-party system in my country. Most important is that none of the republican candidate makes it to the white house.

Ugh. The lies that the modern party system has ingrained in people run deep.

 

[Mr. RPG]

You can only do so much. If pointing to her record and listing her policies isn't enough, what else can you do? The majority of Bernie supporters will do the right thing so I'm not too worried.

One of the most important issues to me in this election is the conservation and protection of the environment.

I don't know if I can really trust Hillary to continue Obama's policies on that and I would love for someone to even go even bolder on this issue. Bernie has been on the right side of this his entire life.

Same way it happens in every single election with a primary challenger. Same way Hillary voters were convinced to support Obama even though they were twice as bitter as Bernie voters are this time.

Everyone unites for the greater cause.

I don't agree with that. I think there is a bigger divide between Hillary and Bernie supporters than there was between Hillary and Obama supporters.

I have no idea what you mean.

I meant that many people have been pointing to Hillary's policies and records not to persuade Bernie's supporters to vote for their candidate, but (for the most part) to talk down on them and prove they're "wrong".

 

[Box of Kittens]

Ugh. The lies that the modern party system has ingrained in people run deep.

I'm not one to tell people what to do with their vote, but as a practical matter first past the post Congressional elections and the Electoral College put significant pressures towards the US being a de facto two party system. Whether one finds a vote for a third party meaningful is not for me to decide, but in terms of determining the winner of the election it does nothing.

 

[HK-47]

Ugh. The lies that the modern party system has ingrained in people run deep.

No, more like the truth of first past the post voting systems. A third party will never be viable for long.

 

[The Albatross]

Actually that's not true, the delegates are weighted more heavily towards the blue states per population.

It's not determined by the ratio of Democrat:Republican in a given state, but the total number of democratic voters in that state. So, simplifying the numbers, if Georgia has 1,000 Democrats but 1,500 Republicans, the DNC still awards them the same amount of delegates as Vermont which has 1,000 Democrats and 500 Republicans.

So the individual democratic voter is still representative of roughly the same vote in George or Vermont.

(I simplified the numbers and of course concepts like super delegates, shifting populations, or past data not being representative of the current political climate are a factor here)

 

[hawk2025]

I meant that many people have been pointing to Hillary's policies and records not to persuade Bernie's supporters to vote for their candidate, but (for the most part) to talk down on them and prove they're "wrong".

...and?

 

[Box of Kittens]

One of the most important issues to me in this election is the conservation and protection of the environment.

I don't know if I can really trust Hillary to continue Obama's policies on that and I would love for someone to even go even bolder on this issue. Bernie has been on the right side of this his entire life.

The Republican candidate is almost certain to be a climate change denier.

 

[HK-47]

Tabris' views do not represent Canada

There are a few people in these topics that combine assumed moral superiority with high ignorance/low information posting about other countries's voting and government.

If you guys could just ship them to somewhere in the vicinity of the Arctic Circle, that would be a fine thing.

 

[Gorger]

I'm not one to tell people what to do with their vote, but as a practical matter first past the post Congressional elections and the Electoral College put significant pressures towards the US being a de facto two party system. Whether one finds a vote for a third party meaningful is not for me to decide, but in terms of determining the winner of the election it does nothing.

An unfortunate reality My country does it quite different we have around 8 main parties where the smaller ones are instrumental in forging a government as the big ones need to create alliances with the small ones to get enough legislative seats. They're ranging from 2-6 % for the smaller ones to 20-30 % for the biggest ones.

 

[Jenov]

I don't understand this either. Why would the DNC care about states that they don't have a chance to win in to determine which candidate they pick. Shouldn't they just care about the votes in the swing states and the blue states?

.... I can't even. This is ridiculous now.

 

[Mr. RPG]

The Republican candidate is almost certain to be a climate change denier.

I'm not voting for a republican. It'll never happen.

I won't vote for anyone who is a climate change denier.

 

[Box of Kittens]

.... I can't even. This is ridiculous now.

It really is a shockingly out of touch thing to say, especially given just who the party would be disenfranchising.

 

[Jenov]

It really is a shockingly out of touch thing to say, especially given just who the party would be disenfranchising.

Yep. Amazes me the amount of people who so carelessly write off segments of the population without thinking of the implications. Yeah, Tabris, lets just ignore all them "low information" black voters, right? Stick to trying to teach us about Abraham Lincoln instead.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

Actually the one thing they can't learn is how his campaign has been run. His campaign strategy was terrible from the beginning and even he would admit that. The democrats also aren't going too far left in the primary that makes a general election unwinnable

I disagree almost completely.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Well, at least you're kind enough to let people know that your analysis is worthless. Thanks.

Honestly I'm happy all the Borg Queen supporters are this arrogant and condescending. It makes Bernie's path much easier when none of his opponents take him seriously.

 

[cpp_is_king]

Man, if it comes down to Cruz vs. Sanders, I don't even... The thought of voting for Cruz makes me sick to my stomach, but I might just have to do some soul searching to see if I can find it within myself to pull out a Cruz vote in November

 

[Phased]

By the way, Hillary would be in deep trouble in the general in any other election year - she has very high negative ratings for a nominee. But they are positively rosy compared to the potential Republicans. Trump would be the most unpopular nominee since polling began, she'd rack up like 470 delegates in that election. It's not even close, you've got the majority of Republicans saying they can't stand him now, turnout would be a disaster.

So everyone saying she's unpopular, you're right - she's been steadily attacked for 25 straight years by everyone on the other side of the aisle. She's been accused of murder by these guys! Multiple times!

If the GOP could have fielded ANY kind of reasonable candidate, they'd win. Instead...

I'll eat my shoe if I turn out to be wrong come November, but it really wouldn't matter who Democrats ran this year. The Republicans have only ever been strong with one demographic (White People) and they stopped being a majority in 2012.

I thought for sure they'd try and pivot towards the middle before 2016 after losing in every single demographic except Older White People, but their response was instead to double down. If (when) they lose 2016 I hope they take a long hard look at why they are losing, and expel the extremists that have hijacked the party.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I'll eat my shoe if I turn out to be wrong come November, but it really wouldn't matter who Democrats ran this year. The Republicans have only ever been strong with one demographic (White People) and they stopped being a majority in 2012.

I thought for sure they'd try and pivot towards the middle before 2016 after losing in every single demographic except Older White People, but their response was instead to double down. If (when) they lose 2016 I hope they take a long hard look at why they are losing, and expel the extremists that have hijacked the party.

It's more likely that the party will splinter along ideological lines, hell we might even see that happen this year if they pull a brokered convention and Trump just walks out and declares himself as a 3rd party candidate.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

Epic title and OP, sooo good. Bernie running out of under 10% black States to win

 

[HK-47]

I'll eat my shoe if I turn out to be wrong come November, but it really wouldn't matter who Democrats ran this year. The Republicans have only ever been strong with one demographic (White People) and they stopped being a majority in 2012.

I thought for sure they'd try and pivot towards the middle before 2016 after losing in every single demographic except Older White People, but their response was instead to double down. If (when) they lose 2016 I hope they take a long hard look at why they are losing, and expel the extremists that have hijacked the party.

They cant. The social conservatives and poor whites that make up the trump and tea party bases are the numbers that prop up the country club republicans who are the party elite.