Mr. Poolman
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I watched Constantine last week. It was a decent supernatural thriller. I wouldn't be excited for a sequel though.
Have you read Hellblazer?
If not then I can see why you have such opinion.
I watched Constantine last week. It was a decent supernatural thriller. I wouldn't be excited for a sequel though.
That Constantine movie wasn't bad, by the way. Wasn't John from the books at all, but it was a pretty fun supernatural action/adventure.
There is absolutely no way to prove it, but I feel like things would've been different if everything was the same, but it was Christian Bale instead of Ben Affleck.
I suppose you also have to factor in what was going on with Green Lantern, which was also supposed to launch the DC Universe, but in a much more blatantly "do what Marvel are doing" direction.
If that project even goes forward, I guarantee they're going to turn it into a Titans movie.Cyborg is definitely not getting his own movie and I'm ok with that
I forgot all about Cloud Atlas. Warner just gave the Wachowski's mulligans for each Matrix movie.
And there aren't anywhere near enough people who attribute the success of the previous trilogy to Bale as Batman for his appearance to have done anything. You grasping for random hypothetical connections to Nolan's trilogy that could've improved the gross isn't based on reality. The movie would've been just as bad if he was there and it would've fallen off a cliff just as fast as it is currently.There's history of Christian Bale being Batman for 3 movies spanning about 8 years, 1 year before the movie that proceeded the current movie we're talking about.
Yup. Which itself was following the actual cancellation of a Justice League movie by George Miller.
I understand the reasoning behind everyone framing this as a Marvel catch-up game, but it's really more to do with the fact Warners was looking to plug holes based on the knowledge Harry Potter & Tolkien were going away. Seeing Marvel doing what they were doing certainly provided incentive, yeah - but it makes sense to see why they're tripping over themselves the way they are when you look at it from the perspective of them trying to get back to Potter/LOTR with their superheroes, rather than them trying to catch up to Marvel.
But there's like, 30 years of superfans (and the media borne from their ranks) trained to think of everything solely in the Marvel/DC binary, so that just gets reinforced.
Cyborg is definitely not getting his own movie and I'm ok with that
Yeah, it was partly funded by the german government and german companies.Cloud Atlas was independently funded.
The problem with Timm and Dini is while they're good, they're hardcore Batman fanboys.
Do they have a vision for all the other DC characters?
How did Star Wars not move forward? Three new POV characters have pushed the old ones to the side and are driving the story forward.
And knock off the absolute rubbish. Dini and Timm were very good at what they did, but their time is gone. Bringing them back is a nostalgia trip to a bygone day, the same way Singer aping Donner was. DC does need someone steering the shit, but they need someone steering the ship who isn't going to do stuff that worked in a different medium in the 90s.
More BAD DC movies. Yay
And there aren't anywhere near enough people who attribute the success of the previous trilogy to Bale as Batman for his appearance to have done anything. You grasping for random hypothetical connections to Nolan's trilogy that could've improved the gross isn't based on reality. The movie would've been just as bad if he was there and it would've fallen off a cliff just as fast as it is currently.
All superhero movies to be Marvel formula based from now on.
Yup. Which itself was following the actual cancellation of a Justice League movie by George Miller.
I understand the reasoning behind everyone framing this as a Marvel catch-up game, but it's really more to do with the fact Warners was looking to plug holes based on the knowledge Harry Potter & Tolkien were going away. Seeing Marvel doing what they were doing certainly provided incentive, yeah - but it makes sense to see why they're tripping over themselves the way they are when you look at it from the perspective of them trying to get back to Potter/LOTR with their superheroes, rather than them trying to catch up to Marvel.
But there's like, 30 years of superfans (and the media borne from their ranks) trained to think of everything solely in the Marvel/DC binary, so that just gets reinforced.
People take a risk, and they get ripped to shreds for it.
All superhero movies to be Marvel formula based from now on. Yay.
I just hope this means they cancel Aquaman, and cancel Cyborg.
Again, I'm not saying he was the problem (maybe for a small percentage of moviegoers, myself included and again, that's not relevant here), I'm just wondering how different things would have been if Bale was never replaced.Ben Affleck was hardly the film's biggest problem.
I'm not grasping for anything, and I already said as much that I'm not basing this on reality (because it is a hypothetical situation) so I don't get what you're trying to say. All I'm talking about are what-ifs. There most definitely could have been a difference if Bale was involved in BvS, but neither I, nor you, nor anyone in our reality will ever know for sure.And there aren't anywhere near enough people who attribute the success of the previous trilogy to Bale as Batman for his appearance to have done anything. You grasping for random hypothetical connections to Nolan's trilogy that could've improved the gross isn't based on reality.
how the fuck do you know that? did you visit an alternate reality to ours to see the reception to BvS starring Bale instead of Ben?The movie would've been just as bad if he was there and it would've fallen off a cliff just as fast as it is currently.
BvS probably would have had very similar numbers to Star Wars had it actually been a good movie. It's fucking Batman and Superman.
Stop choosing shit directors to make these movies.
Yup. Which itself was following the actual cancellation of a Justice League movie by George Miller.
I understand the reasoning behind everyone framing this as a Marvel catch-up game, but it's really more to do with the fact Warners was looking to plug holes based on the knowledge Harry Potter & Tolkien were going away. Seeing Marvel doing what they were doing certainly provided incentive, yeah - but it makes sense to see why they're tripping over themselves the way they are when you look at it from the perspective of them trying to get back to Potter/LOTR with their superheroes, rather than them trying to catch up to Marvel.
But there's like, 30 years of superfans (and the media borne from their ranks) trained to think of everything solely in the Marvel/DC binary, so that just gets reinforced.
Seriously asking, what do people mean when they say "Marvel Formula?"
Cause I have a feeling each person who says it has a different idea of what it is.
Seriously asking, what do people mean when they say "Marvel Formula?"
Cause I have a feeling each person who says it has a different idea of what it is.
something about quips and how they're all the same thing because the good guy wins at the end
Why DC/WB trying to force Cyborg on us like Roman Reigns as of late?
Indeed. All Warner Bros is trying to do is making consistent money. Marvel has proven that a film universe is one way to get consistent money and Warner Bros has a comic publisher to pull from.
That's why the "expectations" part is important. This isn't a DC Cinematic Universe existing alone; it's one looking to replace that Harry Potter/LOTR money in a world where Disney has Marvel down as a consistent source of cash flow. They're only chasing Marvel in sense that they want to sit at the big money table again after the bombs that were Jupiter Ascending, Pan, and In the Heart of the Sea.
Seriously asking, what do people mean when they say "Marvel Formula?"
Cause I have a feeling each person who says it has a different idea of what it is.
Seriously asking, what do people mean when they say "Marvel Formula?"
Cause I have a feeling each person who says it has a different idea of what it is.
BvS has after eleven days made more money than any Superman or Batman movie in its domestic run.
TV shows being passed off as movies
this thread is moving pretty fast but at least one other person in this thread suggested that maybe it isn't entirely his fault.maybe fire Snyder?
And this is how my favorite film studio dies
So is most of the world lol
A DCCU should center on Batman!
And they certainly have a vision for Superman and the Justice League. Again, if put in that Feige position, I'm sure they'd knock it out of the park. they GET DC.
Yea but it is dropping in daily revenue quickely and is already below expectations. Keep in mind The Dark Knight had long legs. I bet that when it is all said and done TDK will beat BvS.
BvS has after eleven days made more money than any Superman or Batman movie in its domestic run.
Honest question- What has Snyder done to deserve such a huge franchise?
No one could have handled the reins here?
Maybe, probably. But I guess people just love Batman much more than they do Superman. Superman is pretty boring. Batman is edgy.
It's my understanding that Man of Steel was initially intended to be a Superman trilogy, but when it didn't live up to expectations financially they stuck Batman in there, then it just slowly ballooned into a pre-JL movie.
I read this in a gaf thread on BvS so I'm not sure how accurate it is.
No chance. Maybe $900mil, probably $850mil
It's not entirely his fault, but considering where screenwriters stand on the hierarchy of movie creatives, Snyder was absolutely in a position to go "Hey, this plot makes no sense". He also would probably be heavily involved in the script revisions.this thread is moving pretty fast but at least one other person in this thread suggested that maybe it isn't entirely his fault.
How did Star Wars not move forward? Three new POV characters have pushed the old ones to the side and are driving the story forward.
And knock off the absolute rubbish. Dini and Timm were very good at what they did, but their time is gone. Bringing them back is a nostalgia trip to a bygone day, the same way Singer aping Donner was. DC does need someone steering the shit, but they need someone steering the ship who isn't going to do stuff that worked in a different medium in the 90s.
BRONSOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!
Ha, jokes on you, its a cruise liner!
wait...
With thunderous hate mobs.
Now now, let's see how World of Warcraft does first.How long before they get desperate and reboot Lord of the Rings?
300 and Watchmen, then he stepped up to do Man of Steel, which made just enough to justify a sequel.
Again, I'm not saying he was the problem (maybe for a small percentage of moviegoers, myself included and again, that's not relevant here), I'm just wondering how different things would have been if Bale was never replaced.
How long before they get desperate and reboot Lord of the Rings?
How long before they get desperate and reboot Lord of the Rings?