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[Garlador]

I've lost faith in Snyder, but I don't think he's entirely to blame.

Outside of Batman, let's just look at how DC has treated their comic characters in film over the past decade or so...

Even some of their best-received versions are often hilariously unfaithful to even the barest degree to their comic counterparts.

And, despite repeated critical and commercial failures, they keep giving certain directors big-budget films. You'd think after the final Matrix movie, that would clue WB in to not write blank checks to the Wachowskis, but they did it again for Speed Racer... and then Cloud Atlas... and then Jupiter Ascending... (what blackmail do they have on that studio?).

It's always felt like this, even going back to Kevin Smith talking about Jon Peters' insane Superman pitch involving polar bear fights, gay robots, giant spiders, and a Superman who doesn't fly, doesn't wear any color, and who has "the eyes of a caged animal - a f***ing KILLER!"

In that hindsight, stuff like The Dark Knight trilogy feel more like flukes in a long, embarrassing sea of Steel, Batman & Robin, and Supergirl misfires.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

It's not about them being able to do live action. Put them up at the very high strategic level and just use them for guidance.

Isn't that Geoff John's job?

 

[Chariot]

Needs to be edgier.

 

[Anth0ny]

Putting aside the fact that neither wants to do it, and the fact neither's shown any proof that they can do live-action, the solution to these problems is not aping shit they've already done. You have to move forward and make something new.

I don't know what "do live-action" even means. They'd be in a Kevin Feige role, overlooking the entire universe and keeping track of what works and what doesn't in an interconnected DC universe. If Dini and Timm aren't qualified for that position, NO ONE is.

And no, you have to make something GOOD. Which is another thing they are very good at. BvS tried something new, but it didn't matter because it was the drizzling shits.

Star Wars Episode VII didn't exactly "move forward and make something new", yet everyone loved it and Disney made billions of the film and merch.

 

[GeeTeeCee]

Shazam has The Rock attached, right? That might still make it if so.

The Shazam film is in a weird place anyway. It was placed under the New Line Cinema umbrella and early talk was that it might not be very tightly connected to the main DCU (if connected at all).

It'd be a shame if WB stopped making more inventive films to focus on guaranteed safe money spinners. Too many studios are already doing that these days, and I don't want another to follow suit.

 

[duckroll]

Have they said this?

Yes. Very clearly too.

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

This has me fairly worried about Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them - I really hope they haven't mismanaged that film and turned it into a mess.

Otherwise, they also have Kong: Skull Island coming out with Legendary, though that's primarily a Legendary film.

 

[jmood88]

I've lost faith in Snyder, but I don't think he's entirely to blame.

Outside of Batman, let's just look at how DC has treated their comic characters in film over the past decade or so...



Even some of their best-received versions are often hilariously unfaithful to even the barest degree to their comic counterparts.

And, despite repeated critical and commercial failures, they keep giving certain directors big-budget films. You'd think after the final Matrix movie, that would clue WB in to not write blank checks to the Wachowskis, but they did it again for Speed Racer... and then Cloud Atlas... and then Jupiter Ascending... (what blackmail do they have on that studio?).

It's always felt like this, even going back to Kevin Smith talking about Jon Peters' insane Superman pitch involving polar bear fights, gay robots, giant spiders, and a Superman who doesn't fly, doesn't wear any color, and who has "the eyes of a caged animal - a f***ing KILLER!"

In that hindsight, stuff like The Dark Knight trilogy feel more like flukes in a long, embarrassing sea of Steel, Batman & Robin, and Supergirl misfires.

I forgot all about Cloud Atlas. Warner just gave the Wachowski's mulligans for each Matrix movie.

 

[MHWilliams]

Warner Bros. Pushes 'Jungle Book' to 2018, 'Wonder Woman' Gets New Date

The untitled films are probably the Batman solo film in 2018 and Lobo in 2019. Off-chance, Superman sequel in 2019.

I'm perplexed that not only is BvS underperformance not making them rethink this, they're literally stomping the pedal.

 

[hamchan]

This has me fairly worried about Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them - I really hope they haven't mismanaged that film and turned it into a mess.

Otherwise, they also have Kong: Skull Island coming out with Legendary, though that's primarily a Legendary film.

Well with Fantastic Beasts I at least still have faith since JK Rowling wrote it.

 

[Version 3.0]

I think the narrative of "make better movies" isn't really fair. I mean, I agree, Hollywood in general should "make better movies". I'll never know whether Hollywood doesn't care about having a good story, or can't tell what a good one is, but it shouldn't be hard to get a good one. Especially in the realm of comic book characters, where you can cherry-pick from decades of material and already know what was best received. And a good story is a crucial starting point, in my opinion, to making a good movie.

But not to making a successful movie. Plenty of bad movies are very successful. Let's not pretend the most successful movies are the best ones. I think we can all agree, they're not.

Batman v Superman's problem isn't that it's bad. It was no worse than Jurassic World, certainly better than at least some of the horrid Transformers movies, and arguably as good or better than some other (successful) comic book films.

The problem is simple: it wasn't what audiences wanted. Jurassic World and Transformers are big hits despite being terrible because (unfortunately) audiences don't care whether dinosaur or robot movies are coherent, plausible or intelligent. They just want action and spectacle from those films.

So, the question isn't whether Batman v Superman is a good movie. The question is: what does the audience want? And I don't think the answer is difficult, though execution may be. The answer, in the case of comic book movies, is characterization. Characters drive comic movies. Conflict and spectacle, too, but the characters have to work first.

I think it's safe to say that there's a disconnect between the studios' take on the supremely iconic characters involved and the audience's view of the same.

So: in a nutshell. I don't think the answer is "make better movies". I'd say "do better characters".

 

[Bobby Roberts]

The untitled films are probably the Batman solo film in 2018 and Lobo in 2019. Off-chance, Superman sequel in 2019.

I'm perplexed that not only is BvS underperformance not making them rethink this, they're literally stomping the pedal.

I think it's possible this is them showing out and putting a brave face on it.

...and then in a couple months they quietly start making it known that shit is getting changed up and switched out.

 

[Rooster12]

I don't know what "do live-action" even means. They'd be in a Kevin Feige role, overlooking the entire universe and keeping track of what works and what doesn't in an interconnected DC universe. If Dini and Timm aren't qualified for that position, NO ONE is.

.

The problem with Timm and Dini is while they're good, they're hardcore Batman fanboys.

Do they have a vision for all the other DC characters?

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

Well with Fantastic Beasts I at least still have faith since JK Rowling wrote it.

Same, but I still won't be surprised if Yates manages to suck all the magic out of it and out something as drab as possible on screen.. which seems to be WBs thing lately.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Cancel everything and start the Arkhamverse.

DCEU was never real.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

The untitled films are probably the Batman solo film in 2018 and Lobo in 2019. Off-chance, Superman sequel in 2019.

I'm perplexed that not only is BvS underperformance not making them rethink this, they're literally stomping the pedal.

If the Superman sequel doesn't have a number (EX: Man of Steel 2 etc.) then my guess is it's gonna be a quiet reboot.

The problem with Timm and Dini is while they're good, they're hardcore Batman fanboys.

Do they have a vision for all the other DC characters?

Your very right about them being Batman fans. Their entire DC animated universe begins and ends with Batman.

 

[BigJonsson]

Warner Bros. Pushes 'Jungle Book' to 2018, 'Wonder Woman' Gets New Date

Wait, there is ANOTHER Jungle Book movie coming? Why?

 

[Alandrus Sun]

Yes. Very clearly too.

Link?

 

[jett]

Let's not get too carried away. Warner Bros may have made some bad movies but they have also made some amazing movies.

They made Mad Max and Creed which were the best movies of 2015. They are in no way approaching Sony tier.

Well they're not there yet, but their future looks grim. Let's not forget they also have another incoming bomb in Tarzan.

It's always felt like this, even going back to Kevin Smith talking about Jon Peters' insane Superman pitch involving polar bear fights, gay robots, giant spiders, and a Superman who doesn't fly, doesn't wear any color, and who has "the eyes of a caged animal - a f***ing KILLER!"

You know what's funny about that, MoS actually does have a polar bear, a giant spider-like machine in the way of the world engine, and a Superman that wears muted colors and that sure looks like he has the eyes of a FUCKING KILLER

 

[Ocarina_117]

There's nothing wrong with a focus on more DC movies; I'm really interested in seeing how the suicide squade and the extended cut of BvS end up before praising or condemning the decision however. Coming from someone who loved BvS I can clearly see why it is so divisive.

I'd really like for Snyder to redeem himself with JL part 1 in the eyes of the masses before walking away from DCEU - seeing the state of the guy in recent interviews makes me feel for him.

 

[MHWilliams]

I think it's possible this is them showing out and putting a brave face on it.

...and then in a couple months they quietly start making it known that shit is getting changed up and switched out.

Which unfortunately would mean nothing for Justice League. Unless some shenanigans happen around April 11.

Wait, there is ANOTHER Jungle Book movie coming? Why?

The magic of public domain means anyone can make a Jungle Book film.

 

[Rooster12]

These two characters didn't really need standalone movies. They just aren't compelling characters.

Aquaman's supporting cast and villains are definitely compelling, a lot more than he is. So if WB is smart they would include those characters a lot.

As for the Cyborg film, just introduce a bunch of Titans characters

 

[kswiston]

The untitled films are probably the Batman solo film in 2018 and Lobo in 2019. Off-chance, Superman sequel in 2019.

I'm perplexed that not only is BvS underperformance not making them rethink this, they're literally stomping the pedal.

2019 would make more sense as a placeholder date if a sequel to either Suicide Squad or Wonder Woman if either does well enough to warrant a sequel.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I don't know what "do live-action" even means. They'd be in a Kevin Feige role, overlooking the entire universe and keeping track of what works and what doesn't in an interconnected DC universe. If Dini and Timm aren't qualified for that position, NO ONE is.

And no, you have to make something GOOD. Which is another thing they are very good at. BvS tried something new, but it didn't matter because it was the drizzling shits.

Star Wars Episode VII didn't exactly "move forward and make something new", yet everyone loved it and Disney made billions of the film and merch.

How did Star Wars not move forward? Three new POV characters have pushed the old ones to the side and are driving the story forward.

And knock off the absolute rubbish. Dini and Timm were very good at what they did, but their time is gone. Bringing them back is a nostalgia trip to a bygone day, the same way Singer aping Donner was. DC does need someone steering the shit, but they need someone steering the ship who isn't going to do stuff that worked in a different medium in the 90s.

 

[Sesha]

What I don't get is why didn't they kickstart their cinematic universe plans post TDR and Avengers? Why wait for the Superman film and have all their JL movies come out after their Batman/Superman mash-up?

I guess I answered my own question. Batman + Superman = mega success = hype builder for their future movies, was probably the logic behind it.

I've lost faith in Snyder, but I don't think he's entirely to blame.

Outside of Batman, let's just look at how DC has treated their comic characters in film over the past decade or so...



Even some of their best-received versions are often hilariously unfaithful to even the barest degree to their comic counterparts.

And, despite repeated critical and commercial failures, they keep giving certain directors big-budget films. You'd think after the final Matrix movie, that would clue WB in to not write blank checks to the Wachowskis, but they did it again for Speed Racer... and then Cloud Atlas... and then Jupiter Ascending... (what blackmail do they have on that studio?).

It's always felt like this, even going back to Kevin Smith talking about Jon Peters' insane Superman pitch involving polar bear fights, gay robots, giant spiders, and a Superman who doesn't fly, doesn't wear any color, and who has "the eyes of a caged animal - a f***ing KILLER!"

In that hindsight, stuff like The Dark Knight trilogy feel more like flukes in a long, embarrassing sea of Steel, Batman & Robin, and Supergirl misfires.

These guys have spent 20 years trying to make various variants of Superman, Batman vs. Superman, and Justice League films. And when they do get those movies going, they turn out to be mediocre or outright bad. Even if there were specific reasons for why those movies had troubled productions, the superhero branch of WBPictures are clearly incompetent.

 

[exmachina64]

Maybe stop making terrible movies?

Never.

 

[Plasticine]

The untitled films are probably the Batman solo film in 2018 and Lobo in 2019. Off-chance, Superman sequel in 2019.

I'm perplexed that not only is BvS underperformance not making them rethink this, they're literally stomping the pedal.

Sony doubled down on their Cinematic Spiderman Universe after ASM2 died at the box office. In private, they couldn't get Kevin Feige on the phone fast enough. WB is in an even worse position, since they have one movie already in production and another set to start in a couple of days. They'll put on the brave face for a few months, but internally their screaming. They're probably already plotting an alternative path for these movies that will steer them clear of Zack Snyder's mess.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

That Constantine movie wasn't bad, by the way. Wasn't John from the books at all, but it was a pretty fun supernatural action/adventure.

 

[Shig]

The problem with Timm and Dini is while they're good, they're hardcore Batman fanboys.

Do they have a vision for all the other DC characters?

Have you not seen JL/JLU? They made a compelling character out of Solomon Grundy, fer cryin' eye.

 

[-griffy-]

The untitled films are probably the Batman solo film in 2018 and Lobo in 2019. Off-chance, Superman sequel in 2019.

I'm perplexed that not only is BvS underperformance not making them rethink this, they're literally stomping the pedal.

I'm thinking it's them trying to move past BvS as quickly as possible so people forget it, in the hopes that the new stuff is better.

 

[The Artisan]

That report was later proven false. They had planned pick-ups for this time because the guy playing Croc had to be elsewhere during much of primary shooting. Getting together cast and crew at a later date is a difficult thing to do, even when planned out. It'd be damn near impossible to do it at the drop of a hat just so they could "inject humor" into the film.

Oh I see. Well I guess that's that then. Maybe Suicide Squad will rejuvenate hope for the DCCU.

Movies like this barely break even at $500-600 million. Sony only netted something like $70 million from ASM2, which made over $700 million. Movies with $250 million budgets are designed to make $400 million domestic, $1 billion+ WW, or they are no longer tentpoles, they are passion projects.

It's pretty crazy that they have to rely on at least $1 billion these days. We live in a day and age though where movies gross billions of dollars every year.

No, its box office is actually pretty disastrous. In no way is this a success.

So you call this a flop?

It's going to barely make its budget back when WB expected easily over a billion.

Do you think it'll make it to $1 billion at all?

nope, as far as I know it's in no way a success considering the massive marketing budget. supposedly it needs to make around $900m to break even, which isn't a certainty at this point.

Is profit their utmost concern? WB have other franchises they've got in place, someone brought up that HP spinoff coming later this year as an example now of course at the end of the day they're all trying to make money, but they need some integrity behind their products as well. Someone else in this thread also suggested that all the blame shouldn't be on Snyder, either.

The movie is horseshit and repeat business is almost negligible compared to similar action/comic book movies, and this should have been the biggest of all time.

Yes, this movie could have easily been really, really huge. But I think there is hope, yet.

This movie was supposed to be the flagship for a multi-billion dollar shared movie universe. The fact that no only did it get panned critically but it's also falling like a rock in the box office is pretty disastrous for their overall plans.

If it was only about this movie, it would still be bad. But it's now an unstable foundation which WB has to build on.

I don't know man...the most recent X Men movie was the highest grossing one ever, and it is significantly higher than how those movies usually do. All they have to do is make better movies, or just do something more right next time.

Affleck was not the issue with the movie.

I wasn't at all trying to say he was (perhaps he was to a small percentage of moviegoers, myself included, but again, that's not relevant here) - I'm just wondering if the box office performance or audience perception, perhaps there would've been a causation there, would've been any different if it was Christian Bale there connecting the previous trilogy to the DCCU. But we'll never know.

There's no way to prove it because there isn't anything in his history or the reception to Batmam v Superman to suggest that this belief is anything more than something you've made up in your mind.

There's history of Christian Bale being Batman for 3 movies spanning about 8 years, 1 year before the movie that proceeded the current movie we're talking about.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

That Constantine movie wasn't bad, by the way. Wasn't John from the books at all, but it was a pretty fun supernatural action/adventure.

Preach

 

[DeathyBoy]

That Constantine movie wasn't bad, by the way. Wasn't John from the books at all, but it was a pretty fun supernatural action/adventure.

And getting Keanu back in the role in a JLD film would've been a good start to making a tidy profit. The same way they could've folded Reynolds/Strong into a JL film. I'm sure someone at WB is kicking themselves for recasting GL now that Deadpool's making a mint, and Ryan Reynolds puts them on hold while he laughs uproariously.

 

[echoshifting]

What I don't get is why didn't they kickstart their cinematic universe plans post TDR and Avengers? Why wait for the Superman film and have all their JL movies come out after their Batman/Superman mash-up?

I guess I answered my own question. Batman + Superman = mega success = hype builder for their future movies, was probably the logic behind it.

It's my understanding that Man of Steel was initially intended to be a Superman trilogy, but when it didn't live up to expectations financially they stuck Batman in there, then it just slowly ballooned into a pre-JL movie.

I read this in a gaf thread on BvS so I'm not sure how accurate it is.

Do you think it'll make it to $1 billion at all?

No chance. Maybe $900mil, probably $850mil

 

[TheOfficeMut]

I think the narrative of "make better movies" isn't really fair. I mean, I agree, Hollywood in general should "make better movies". I'll never know whether Hollywood doesn't care about having a good story, or can't tell what a good one is, but it shouldn't be hard to get a good one. Especially in the realm of comic book characters, where you can cherry-pick from decades of material and already know what was best received. And a good story is a crucial starting point, in my opinion, to making a good movie.

But not to making a successful movie. Plenty of bad movies are very successful. Let's not pretend the most successful movies are the best ones. I think we can all agree, they're not.

Batman v Superman's problem isn't that it's bad. It was no worse than Jurassic World, certainly better than at least some of the horrid Transformers movies, and arguably as good or better than some other (successful) comic book films.

The problem is simple: it wasn't what audiences wanted. Jurassic World and Transformers are big hits despite being terrible because (unfortunately) audiences don't care whether dinosaur or robot movies are coherent, plausible or intelligent. They just want action and spectacle from those films.

So, the question isn't whether Batman v Superman is a good movie. The question is: what does the audience want? And I don't think the answer is difficult, though execution may be. The answer, in the case of comic book movies, is characterization. Characters drive comic movies. Conflict and spectacle, too, but the characters have to work first.

I think it's safe to say that there's a disconnect between the studios' take on the supremely iconic characters involved and the audience's view of the same.

So: in a nutshell. I don't think the answer is "make better movies". I'd say "do better characters".

I don't like to exaggerate or lie for the sake of delivering a point, but when I say that I and many of my friends who have seen both Batman v Superman and Jurassic World find considerable more enjoyment out of the latter, we aren't lying. I think JW is a much better choreographed movie, despite its flaws. It was fun to watch, whereas BvS was not.

And I'm not trying to discredit the people who enjoy BvS more than JW, but I'm only trying to suggest that it should not be accepted as a given that BvS is no worse than JW, when I really don't think that's the case.

 

[Firemind]

Ayer is gonna kill it.

 

[NealMcCauley]

That Constantine movie wasn't bad, by the way. Wasn't John from the books at all, but it was a pretty fun supernatural action/adventure.

Him sitting in a chair in the middle of a room full of demons saying "You guys are beyond guilty and I will kill you shortly" is probably Keanu's most badass acting moment, Wick included.

 

[kame-sennin]

Jupiter Ascending
Pan
In the Heart of the Sea

How can non-industry people like us KNOW that these would be total bombs but the execs being paid ton$ of money greenlighting them had no idea? Someone tell me

I didn't need to see the trailers for any of them either. I couldve told them right off that dumping $150 million into Jupiter Ascending was a bad idea.

Hollywood views movie production as a crap shoot. They genuinely believe it's impossible to predict the success of a movie, so they basically stopped trying. Instead, they rely on marketing analytics (which tell you to do more of what worked in the past, hence sequels) and personal relationships (i.e. keep giving your friends work even when they fuck up).

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

I watched Constantine last week. It was a decent supernatural thriller. I wouldn't be excited for a sequel though.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

It's my understanding that Man of Steel was initially intended to be a Superman trilogy, but when it didn't live up to expectations financially they stuck Batman in there, then it just slowly ballooned into a pre-JL movie.

The way Snyder talks about it, it was supposed to lay the foundation for a larger DCU, but what they were gonna do after Man of Steel hadn't really been thought about, and then he just kinda blurted out "What if he fights Batman!" and away they went.

So it's either

a) Warner execs were like "put Batman in your Superman sequel because this didn't make anywhere near as much as we wanted"

b) Snyder had a "cool idea" and just ran with it

c) All of the above

 

[Garlador]

So, the question isn't whether Batman v Superman is a good movie. The question is: what does the audience want? And I don't think the answer is difficult, though execution may be. The answer, in the case of comic book movies, is characterization. Characters drive comic movies. Conflict and spectacle, too, but the characters have to work first.

I think it's safe to say that there's a disconnect between the studios' take on the supremely iconic characters involved and the audience's view of the same.

So: in a nutshell. I don't think the answer is "make better movies". I'd say "do better characters".

True to a point, but I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.

Is Batman v Superman a good movie? I don't think so. Is it what I want? Absolutely not. It fails on both accounts.

For all the flack Jurassic World gets, it still scored well with critics and general audiences. It's certainly not Spielberg-quality, but the expectation was pretty simple: dinosaurs run amok and eat people. Audiences and critics didn't expect much more depth than that, so meeting those low expectations and churning out a decently entertaining blockbuster film was never going to be terrible hard to pass that low bar.

But Batman v Superman had more riding on its shoulders. Expectations were bigger. COMPETITION is bigger. Jurassic World didn't really come out in a landscape flooded with other dinosaur movies, but BvS enters the market at a time where even Guardians of the Galaxy and Deadpool can break records and Marvel's been coasted off good-will and success for nearly a decade. You bet expectations were higher than... well, what we got.

So was it what audiences wanted? No. But what did audience want? At the end of the day, I would argue that most, yes, did want a great Batman and Superman movie. Not good, not average, and certainly not below-average. Screwing up Jurassic World wouldn't have caused as much outrage because the stars of that film are CG dinosaurs lacking nearly 80 years of rich history and lore and characterization, but messing up Batman and Superman? That's going to sting. Those aren't just characters, those are people's childhood (and some adulthood) heroes. Those are symbols of heroism and justice and hope that people have clung to throughout the past century during dark and bleak events. They MEAN something to so many people across the globe.

So the audience desire was simply to see a film worthy of those characters. And by and large the audience simply didn't get that.

 

[Ninjimbo]

I'm speaking as someone who up until a few weeks ago didn't even realize that Snyder directed Watchmen, and I loved that movie, visually and narratively. I also liked 300, but it's been a very long time since I've seen that so I don't have an up to date opinion anymore. I even thought Man of Steel looked great. But when I saw Batman vs Superman this past Saturday, I found it very difficult to maintain focus during shots. With a combination of the dark palette and erratic changes in shots, I couldn't really keep track. It was so off putting and even now I don't know how to fully describe it. If you think that Batman vs Superman is an example of Snyder's fine work, then I'm sorry. I think it's his worst effort to date. I found more visual and thematic stimulation from Sucker Punch, and that was bad for a number of reasons.

That's fine. I'm not going to argue with an opinion. I've only seen BvS once and I came out of the theater smiling and loving everything about it. If I'm being honest with myself, part of that had to be the spectacle of finally seeing something I waited three years for.

I have to see how it holds up on repeat viewings to say anything more about it and then there's that director's cut that adds 30 minutes which I'm dying to see.

 

[RedStep]

When you film a movie, and then hype it for two fucking years, this kind of thing happens. When you finally sleep with your high school crush when you're thirty, and it's not that great, your first reaction isn't "maybe I should have less sex".

Yeah, but when you spent all your money on her because now she's a prostitute, and she's all dark and gloomy and is just sad and then starts yelling about "Martha" when you FINALLY get down to business two hours later... maybe you should stop getting hung up on old crushes from high school and procure your wares from a new pimp.

 

[Rooster12]

Have you not seen JL/JLU? They made a compelling character out of Solomon Grundy, fer cryin' eye.

He had a tragic story in the comics so they ran with it.

But they crapped all over Sinestro, Cheetah, "Reverse-Flash", GL Corps characters, Mr.Terrific etc...

So it evens out.

 

[captainnapalm]

I just hope we still get Snyder's Justice League, flawed though it may be. I want to see that movie, it's going to be insane.

If they want to swap to RT-approved safe and bland stuff after that, so be it. It was probably inevitable.

 

[Busty]

didn't they shoot the film last year?

pushing it back 2 years just confirms that it's being looked at as Seventh Son tier.

To be fair I was told this a while ago, well before they shot it (in spring 2015?), but there's been a weird silence around it every since even though it was scheduled for release.

It was all shot on green screen and I think that a lot of people assumed that, for this reason, it would be easier to quietly 'bin' before all the expensive VFX work begun.

Even if Disney's Jungle Book does become a billion dollar smash the near 2 and a half years distance between it and the WB film could make it a pseudo sequel in some people's eyes.

I suppose.

That person was me

AND I WAS LYIN

BRONSOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!

 

[tomtom94]

The way Snyder talks about it, it was supposed to lay the foundation for a larger DCU, but what they were gonna do after Man of Steel hadn't really been thought about, and then he just kinda blurted out "What if he fights Batman!" and away they went.

So it's either

a) Warner execs were like "put Batman in your Superman sequel because this didn't make anywhere near as much as we wanted"

b) Snyder had a "cool idea" and just ran with it

c) All of the above

I suppose you also have to factor in what was going on with Green Lantern, which was also supposed to launch the DC Universe, but in a much more blatantly "do what Marvel are doing" direction.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I don't like to exaggerate or lie for the sake of delivering a point, but when I say that I and many of my friends who have seen both Batman v Superman and Jurassic World find considerable more enjoyment out of the latter, we aren't lying. I think JW is a much better choreographed movie, despite its flaws. It was fun to watch, whereas BvS was not.

And I'm not trying to discredit the people who enjoy BvS more than JW, but I'm only trying to suggest that it should not be accepted as a given that BvS is no worse than JW, when I really don't think that's the case.

JW has a God awful plot, the script is terrible, the directing is lazy and shameful (the product placement shots my God)... but it has dinosaurs fucking shit up and Chris Pratt's a likeable chap. It's a far worse film than BvS, but it's a far smarter film for giving audiences an absurdly ridiculously hilariously awesome last act that left them recommending it to people.

If JW's third act wasn't amazingly stupid and hilarious, they've have never made it to a billion.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I'm pretty sure Dash_Riprock is stuck in a similar version to the movie Speed where if he doesn't shit on BvS or WB in some fashion enough times in a day, the bus he's driving explodes

Ha, jokes on you, its a cruise liner!

wait...

Justice for backing HDDVD

People really need to let that shit go.

 

[Dalek]

Problem isn't quantity, it's quality. Stop trusting hacks and hire the best of the best.

Exactly. I'd go see 12 DC films a year if they were good. Give me a different "comic" every month. Green Lantern one month, Flash the next-I'll be there like clockwork if the movies are good.