THR: Warner Bros. Mulls Releasing Fewer Films as 'Batman v. Superman' Stalls

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ItWillGetBetter said:
You don't need to bring back Bale to have it continue. Batman Forever was the same Batman as Returns and the original 1989(?) and it wasn't half bad.

How would it be an insult? That trilogy exists as it does. Just like Batman and Robin doesn't in anyway ruin the ones before it.

But you already have three decently written well-loved Batman movies. To abandon them is silly. LexCorp existed in that universe already. So there was no shoe-horning needed.
Also it didn't end "perfect". It ended with Robin taking the suit.
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It needlessly craps on Nolan's trilogy. As another poster stated what you are basically asking for is a better script, putting Nolan's Batman in the universe doesn't make anything better it can only make his trilogy worse retroactively.
 
Inferno313 said:
He didn't create these characters but he created those versions of the characters and this version of the universe. Largely pulling from source material like Year One, The Killing Joke, and The Long Halloween. Which are Batman-ass Batman stories that focus on Gotham and Batman characters exclusively. The Dark Knight trilogy was a completed narrative. It had a beginning, middle, and ending. It didn't need to be dug back up so they could sell more Superman tickets.
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It wouldn't be for "selling Superman tickets" it would have been for building and giving more fruition to the DCCU. Yes those stories are very Batman-esque stories, but within those stories I'm sure still coexisted the city of Metropolis. Superman was out there somewhere uninvolved doing his own thing, but still existing. I agree it was a completed narrative but that doesn't mean Bruce Wayne couldn't have more things going on in his life.

And like I said, Bale wasn't replaced. He made it clear he wasn't interested in returning regardless.
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Christian Bale was portraying the cinematic Batman, and he was replaced with Ben Affleck to continue doing the job. As far as I am concerned as a moviegoer, Bale was replaced. The word I'm not using here is recast.
 
Retro4ever said:
You could make an argument that it is similar to Star Wars where George Lucas botched the second trilogy but J.J Abrams came in and brought Star Wars back big time. I could see fresh blood coming in and doing something good with Middle Earth. I think they need to move past the old characters though.
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Not worth the risk. We have the Lord of the Rings Extended Editions, which are better than any Star Wars film in my book. I think that is as good an adaptation as you're ever going to get, and a lot of book purists still detest them.
 
Rooster12 said:
Omega Men would be more like DC's version of Guardians. And an Omega Men movie would have definitely been interesting.

You can't compare Green Lantern to Guardians...that's not even the same thing to me.
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Omega Men can't hold an ongoing title for more than 12 issues. WB's Guardians will have to be Green Lantern or Lobo.
 
Alandrus Sun said:
It needlessly craps on Nolan's trilogy. As another poster stated what you are basically asking for is a better script, putting Nolan's Batman in the universe doesn't make anything better it can only make his trilogy worse retroactively.
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Its as if you and everyone else are "in love" with this magical trilogy. As if it were the holy bible or holy quran, and that it cannot be touched. If it were to be touched it is regarded as "crapped" on.
Well that simply isn't true. I had also stipulated having Nolan be the final editor in that scenario too. So both were equally fantastic, neither more or less a realistic a scenario, so if you suppose one you suppose both. And if you suppose both then it works.
 
Inferno313 said:
Zack Snyder killed Batman, Superman, Justice League, and Warner Bros.

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Really though, I think the lesson WB needs to learn here is to cut ties with directors and stop expecting people to be able to recapture lightening in a bottle for you.

The fact that they make original films isn't their problem, it's that they continue to work with filmmakers like The Wachowski's and Snyder on continuously bigger projects despite continuous failures, just because they made a hit for them back in the day.
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The issue is as simple as this and I'm surprised they continue to not arrive at this conclusion. Get rid of Snyder. It's not rocket science or some grand mystery.
 
ItWillGetBetter said:
I don't get why they couldn't have just used Nolan's Batman.
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I don't get why they don't either

a) Try faithfully adapting any of the collected graphic novels that are perennial bestsellers for them instead of shunting those adaptations off to their cheapjack DTV animation department to gut and fuck up year after year.

b) Try aiming for family audiences via high-budget CGI animation

c) Try doing a combination of a) and b) as a means to guarantee not just the best possible means of executing their intellectual property, but carving out a unique lane in the supehero sweepstakes that literally no other studio has tried.

OR they could d) continue to spend 250-350 million per live-action adaptation chasing after men aged 15-45 with weirdly diluted "original" stories that seem to misunderstand the characters they're trying to exploit.

They seem to be going with d)
 
ItWillGetBetter said:
Its as if you and everyone else are "in love" with this magical trilogy. As if it were the holy bible or holy quran, and that it cannot be touched. If it were to be touched it is regarded as "crapped" on.
Well that simply isn't true. I had also stipulated having Nolan be the final editor in that scenario too. So both were equally fantastic, neither more or less a realistic a scenario, so if you suppose one you suppose both. And if you suppose both then it works.
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What you are failing to understand is that Nolan's trilogy is one complete story, it has a beginning, a middle, and an end. Thus, to make another Batman story within that same universe using the same Christian Bale Batman character would diminish that story. It's like having movies after the LOTR trilogy, or to use another Nolan movie, a sequel to Inception. Can it be done? Probably. Should it be done? No. The tale of Nolan's Batman is finished there is no need to bring him back.

Batfleck looks good aesthetically and nobody had a problem with a completely new Batman, what they have a problem with is poorly written stories and characters.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I don't get why they don't either

a) Try faithfully adapting any of the collected graphic novels that are perennial bestsellers for them instead of shunting those adaptations off to their cheapjack DTV animation department to gut and fuck up year after year.
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You son of a bitch, Under The Red Hood is GOAT
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I don't get why they don't either

a) Try faithfully adapting any of the collected graphic novels that are perennial bestsellers for them instead of shunting those adaptations off to their cheapjack DTV animation department to gut and fuck up year after year.

b) Try aiming for family audiences via high-budget CGI animation

c) Try doing a combination of a) and b) as a means to guarantee not just the best possible means of executing their intellectual property, but carving out a unique lane in the supehero sweepstakes that literally no other studio has tried.
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This is what I really want for both Marvel and DC. It ain't going to happen for a long time with the way things are looking.

Of course, some IPs are still fine with live action and have no need for animation (the grittier stuff like Daredevil and Punisher).
 
Maybe they'll stick with Snyder but cut the budget back for one JL then drop him if that doesn't get good feedback.

Are actors actually on the ground next week or is it just building sets and stuff?
 
Cheebo said:
No he won't. The Tolkien estate makes tons of money off the royalties of the books. Both Chris Tolkien and his heir to take over after he dies hate the films and are adamant they won't give up any rights. They have nothing but bad things to say about Peter Jackson. They hated the LOTR films as well.
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I only liked, not loved, the LOTR books, but I seriously disliked the movies. They look disgustingly plastic and unliving. Then came The Hobbits and they were even more horrible. These movies are the most overrated movies in the history of all cinema. Horrible, terrible movies. They're like the Batman v Superman of fantasy to me.
 
jelly said:
Maybe they'll stick with Snyder but cut the budget back for one JL then drop him if that doesn't get good feedback.

Are actors actually on the ground next week or is it just building sets and stuff?
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I believe they've already been in pre-production. Filming begins in 5 days.
 
I will never understand why fanboys work up fantasy scenarios that will never happen and then complain that films don't live up to stupid expectations. It happened with Wright's Ant-Man ("I just know it would have been funnier with him!") and now people want Nolan to return to a franchise he was visibly burnt out on by the end of his trilogy or to give the DCEU's keys to Timm/Dini, who have never showed the slightest interest in such a role. I can understand the 'what might have been' appeal but this is getting silly.
 
This is genuinely depressing - they are the last studio willing to spend crazy amounts on weird big budget films (Cloud Atlas, Mad Max and pretty much any Nolan film).
 
Kenzodielocke said:
Fucking hell, the "making reshoots for more humor" is already debunked. You should not believe everything Faraci says, a man who's has multiple meltdown on twitter.

They're doing the reshoots for the Killer Croc actor btw.
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"Director driven" my ass. Then again I never believed that bit of pr anyway.
 
The writers for BvS have some solid credits. Maybe its the producers? But based on his other work (300, Sucker Punch), I'm on the fire Zack Snyder bandwagon.
 
tomtom94 said:
I will never understand why fanboys work up fantasy scenarios that will never happen and then complain that films don't live up to stupid expectations. It happened with Wright's Ant-Man ("I just know it would have been funnier with him!") and now people want Nolan to return to a franchise he was visibly burnt out on by the end of his trilogy or to give the DCEU's keys to Timm/Dini, who have never showed the slightest interest in such a role. I can understand the 'what might have been' appeal but this is getting silly.
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Pretty much anything would be better than the Snyder-led path they're continuing on, so let us dream :P
 
Alienfan said:
This is genuinely depressing - they are the last studio willing to spend crazy amounts on weird big budget films (Cloud Atlas, Mad Max and pretty much any Nolan film).
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Hopefully Dunkirk is a huge success. I want them to keep writing them blank cheques to Nolan

Like him or hate him but he's practically the only guy who's making these big budget original films now with quality casts. He can practically get whoever he wants at this point barring a scheduling conflict
 
The Artisan said:
If that's the case then the others should be as blamed as much as him, yeah? Because if this is the case it isn't fair to make his name synonymous with this movie's failure.
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Not really. Directors basically have the final creative say on all things related to the movie. The suckiness of the film, the dour tone, and the decision to cram The Dark Knight Returns and The Death of Superman into a single movie are all probably his. Generally speaking, script writers are only involved in the early stages of a movie production and rank barely over production assistants in terms of hierarchy.

Now, granted, the inclusion of Wonder Woman and the Justice League teasing are probably studio mandated. Still, as director Snyder could have executed said teases in a less horrible way.

Of course, it's the studio's fault that Batman v Superman is only the second film in the cinematic universe.
 
As I've said before in another thread, retaining Snyder after MoS was a massive mistake, giving him carte blanche with Batman and Superman after MoS(including scheduling JL shooting weeks after BvS comes out) was an even bigger mistake considering his track record. Now if WB keeps Snyder after BvS, they deserve whatever the hell they get.

Zack Snyder may make "art", whatever the hell that means, but his art lacks any substance and is rightfully rejected by most of the critics and audience.

darkinstinct said:
BvS has after eleven days made more money than any Superman or Batman movie in its domestic run.
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You're comparing a worldwide run to a domestic run? This is a really stupid comparison. For the record, BvS is lagging far behind in its domestic run compared to the domestic run of TDKR at the same point, and will probably soon start lagging behind in its worldwide run as well.
 
I have no intention of watching it as I wouldn't want to ruin the version of it in my head.

Batman calls Superman out for a fight due to a inferiority complex.

Superman says no but Batman calls in the news crew to watch the fight anyway.

Batman says a witty one liner and starts laying in with punches while Superman just stands there taking it.

Batman tells Supes to fight back so he throws a lazy punch which Batman blocks with his arm, the vibration of the punch on his arm shatters ever bone in his body putting Batman in a coma.

Rest of the movie is Supes going back to his everyday life, banging Lois and what not.

Suddenly he sees an article at work of Batmans life support being pulled. Close up of a tear in his eye.

The end.
 
bitbydeath said:
I have no intention of watching it as I wouldn't want to ruin the version of it in my head.

Batman calls Superman out for a fight due to a inferiority complex.

Superman says no but Batman calls in the news crew to watch the fight anyway.

Batman says a witty one liner and starts laying in with punches while Superman just stands there taking it.

Batman tells Supes to fight back so he throws a lazy punch which Batman blocks with his arm, the vibration of the punch on his arm shatters ever bone in his body putting Batman in a coma.

Rest of the movie is Supes going back to his everyday life, banging Lois and what not.

Suddenly he sees an article at work of Batmans life support being pulled. Close up of a tear in his eye.

The end.
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your superman is both more charming and more empathetic than the one in BvS
 
If they keep Zach Snyder on, they've earned everything coming to them. Man can do good in the right circumstances, but he clearly is not the right choice for the DCU at this point, let him go.

I do appreciate that releasing fewer films is about the exact opposite of what Marvel has been doing, releasing many smaller films of the individual heroes, setting up later crossovers. Maybe, I dunno, they should do that?
 
Midnight Express can only be seen in like 5 cities including Narnia. That shit is so limited

Smh WB why do you not want me to see this greatness
 
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