Wkd BO 0408-1016 - Melissa (not Martha) puts end to Bats v Supes sausage fight
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milanbaros
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Haha. The film is truly truly awful. One of the worst I've seen.
Easy, you hire a script writer who doesn't understand the character, a director who hasn't been able to tell a proper story twice in his career, you make a relatively simple story of clashing ideologies convoluted by adding villains and other heroes needlessly into the mix, and voilà, Bob's your uncle.
Please list me in the credit roll of you desire to follow this concept.
hodayathink
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I always though that the whole endgame of the Princesses merchandising would be a movie that put all of them together, whether it was animated or live action. Seriously, that seems like a billion dollar idea as long as you don't completely fuck it up. Closest we've even come to all of them being in the same universe so far is technically Sofia the First.
I cant believe BvS isnt going to do 1 bill. I never thought word of mouth could hurt it so muhc... like how the fuck do the Transformers movies make 1bill, word of mouth on those is equally bad
Because for as much as people like to shit on him, Michael Bay is still fairly great at directing action setpieces, which is the entire reason people go to see Transformers movies.
Gordon Shumway
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No one has topped the highway chase from Bad Boys 2 yet
KonradLaw
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I cant believe BvS isnt going to do 1 bill. I never thought word of mouth could hurt it so muhc... like how the fuck do the Transformers movies make 1bill, word of mouth on those is equally bad
Transformers are fun. Simple as that. Plenty people like to pretend they're sophisticated viewers and shit, so they might hide how much of stupid fun they're having, but it's still fun.
Hang on, I thought only the most recent couple of Transformers did a billion? Revenge of the Fallen definitely lost money because of bad word of mouth right?
Actually, fun game, will Batman v Superman beat Revenge of the Fallen? $836.3m worldwide, apparently.
EDIT: Holy shit. The writer of Batman and Robin has been charged with creating a "Transformers Cinematic Universe". I can't even.
Actually, fun game, will Batman v Superman beat Revenge of the Fallen? $836.3m worldwide, apparently.
EDIT: Holy shit. The writer of Batman and Robin has been charged with creating a "Transformers Cinematic Universe". I can't even.
Gordon Shumway
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Or, you think its fun and others don't. You know..opinions!
Batman v Superman's Thursday to Friday bump was slightly smaller this week than it was last week. If BvS gets the same Sat/Sun increases this weekend as it did last weekend (+76%, -38%), its fourth weekend would be $9.1M (-61%)
Zootopia's Thursday to Friday bump this week was almost double what it was last week. If Zootopia gets the same Sat/Sun increases this weekend as it did last weekend (+93%, -38%), its seventh weekend would be $8.8M (-39%)
Dark of the Moon made $1.12B
Zootopia's Thursday to Friday bump this week was almost double what it was last week. If Zootopia gets the same Sat/Sun increases this weekend as it did last weekend (+93%, -38%), its seventh weekend would be $8.8M (-39%)
Dark of the Moon made $1.12B
Need to watch more films bro.
xXBetter Off DadXx
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If there's even a 1% chance.
I take it you haven't seen Fury Road? It's that one scene stretched into an entire movie....but even better.
milanbaros
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I watch plenty. I just avoid bad ones. Made a big error on this one.
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Yeah, they apparently blew up in China as the series went on.
With a flamethrowerguitar!
Gordon Shumway
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KonradLaw
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It's got four movies in the series and they've all made a killing. Not everyone likes it, sure, but it's got some of the biggest audience around. There are obviously masses that thing it's fun.
Marvel built their empire on the bedrock that was Jon Favreau, Robert Downey Jr., and Iron Man, sitting toasty at an impressive 94% on RT.
DC built their empire on the foundation of Zack Snyder, Henry Cavill, and Man of Steel, sitting at a middling 55% on RT.
Still, that doesn't mean the ship couldn't be steered back on course, but rather than really understand and fix the problems of Man of Steel, Zack and WB doubled-down on them.
You know what I was dying to see in theaters? Batman vs Superman, and the creation of the Justice League. ... I'm still dying to see that, because instead of Batman and Superman, I saw two psychopaths running around in their clothes pretending to be them instead. I really didn't get to see "Batman" or "Superman" as I always envisioned them; I saw Zack Snyder's bastardized interpretations of them that neither resembled nor embodied the characters that have resonated for nearly eight decades. Even that might have been salvaged if the movie had a semblance of a coherent story or script, but it really just falls apart.
And, in that way, BvS is the most impressive movie I've ever seen, because you really do have to actively and passionately work HARD to screw it up. It is literally one of the most bulletproof, critic-proof, disaster-proof concepts you can make a movie out of, something that people have been dying to see almost their whole lives, starring two of the most well-known, popular, and iconic superheroes of all time, in an age where superhero movies are THE biggest box office stars right now, and technology has finally caught up to allow the the most awe-inspiring and believable powers and abilities to be generated on-screen. It should be nigh-impossible to screw it up, especially with so much history and PROVEN successes to take inspiration from.
... And yet, here we are. Deadpool, a cult superhero who was last seen in the maligned X-men Origins: Wolverine, rebooted with the same actor who has been box office poison for the past decade, with no China, no 3D ticket prices, a hard-R rating, and a studio that had so little faith in it that they gave it practically the budget that RDJ alone was paid for Avengers 2 and sat on the script for 14 years... will likely beat a movie with Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman COMBINED at the domestic box office, and would have beaten it globally if China had been in play.
WB can try and spin it all they want, and while BvS has by no means been an outright flop, it has been an absolute disaster of utterly and entirely failing to meet any expectations.
And that, to me, is incredible, and that makes BvS the most impressive movie I've ever seen. They did they impossible; they made Batman v Superman something I never want to watch again.
Primethius
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The less bad movies one watches, the better I say.
ratcliffja
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I watched that movie. They really dropped the ball on the powers. For some reason, Snow White could freeze things with her touch.
Okay it's based more on the Grimm fairy tales but Disney have adapted some of those anyway.
So Spider-Man 3's fouth weekend was Memorial Day Weekend. it made $14.3M during the 3 day and $18.1M during the 4-day weekend.
By the Monday following its fourth weekend, Spider-Man 3 had grossed $307.8M domestic.
Being pretty generous to BvS, it's lead over Spider-Man 3 as of Monday will be $5M.
Spider-man 3 also had close to $1M weekdays and a $7.6M fifth weekend, which isn't going to happen for BvS. So we can close the books on BvS over SM3. It's not going to happen.
Next down the comic film ladder is Guardians of the Galaxy at $333M. I don't really see how that is happening either at this point. At least BvS will be able to top Iron Man 1s $318M domestic!
By the Monday following its fourth weekend, Spider-Man 3 had grossed $307.8M domestic.
Being pretty generous to BvS, it's lead over Spider-Man 3 as of Monday will be $5M.
Spider-man 3 also had close to $1M weekdays and a $7.6M fifth weekend, which isn't going to happen for BvS. So we can close the books on BvS over SM3. It's not going to happen.
Next down the comic film ladder is Guardians of the Galaxy at $333M. I don't really see how that is happening either at this point. At least BvS will be able to top Iron Man 1s $318M domestic!
Gordon Shumway
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And nowhere did I say otherwise. It's that "sophisticated" nonsense that you decided to run with. Some people, masses in fact, just don't like the movies..that might bother you, but it's all it is.
KonradLaw
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I feel iffy about this kind of argument, Because on one hand yes, it shows had much BvS under performed, but it also kind of undervalues how insanely good Deadpool did. Because it also beat every X-Men, it beat two recent Spider-Mans, it beat Man of Steel and if you would remove China it would also beat majority of Marvel's line up.
BenjaminBirdie
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Gordon Shumway
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lol..
KonradLaw
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I've wrote "plenty of people", not "people" or "all people". But don't let this tiny detail stop you. As long as you having fun posting it's fine by me.
True, but I'd use the same argument for the majority of Marvel's lineup. I would say it would be embarrassing if BATMAN and SUPERMAN lost to Thor, or Ant-Man, or Guardians of the Galaxy, and the two recent Spider-man movies were equally polarizing and - in ASM2's case - pretty maligned and critically panned by both critics and audiences, so beating them really isn't that impressive. Then you have to factor in that Batman meeting Superman in a big Hollywood film is a historic draw in an of itself (so big that I Am Legend even teased the non-existent film on background billboards, because it was just such great shorthand).
It's not so much that Deadpool did exceptionally well, it's that NOBODY would have predicted a movie with DC's three most popular heroes in it would do less than it. Even if Deadpool was 100% on RT and BvS was at 10%, people still wouldn't take that bet, because Superman and Batman have a brand power that is so strong, so resonate, so powerful, and so enduring that only Spider-man at his peak used to match it.
Deadpool destroyed even the most optimistic expectations, and it deserves all the success it gets. It's also easily my favorite X-men movie as well. But even as a mega-huge Deadpool fan who has compaigned to see this film since I read the leaked script years ago, and my utter disappointment in Man of Steel, I never would have predicted that Deadpool would beat BvS at the domestic box office. Nobody would have.
... And it did.
Gordon Shumway
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Ok! 😒
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NotoriousPUG
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Got a private IMAX showing of BvS (2nd viewing). I liked the movie the first time, but absolutely loved it on a second viewing. The movie seemed to flow better now that I wasn't thrown off by dream sequences. I also noticed the parts that were obviously cut out. It's too bad that this movie is not a great first showing movie, but it honestly got thrashed way harder then it should have.
Gordon Shumway
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It's ok. I could never hold a grude against somebody with Alf avatar
Are we best friends? 😃
Gordon Shumway
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I just think it was a battle of the loudest voices..fan v anti-fan. The movie got mostly average reviews, which people seem to ignore. Was personally a 5/10 to me..I'm going to assume my score will go up once I watch the Ultimate Edition and some of those holes are filled. My wife and (3) friends hated it outright and want nothing more to do with it tho. Again, opinions.
People keep saying this but that's not really the core of the problem. Having a brain trust is only as good as who puts the brain trust together and what you do with it. Star Wars and Marvel is not working because there is a "brain trust" at all. Star Wars is working because there is Kathleen Kennedy at Lucasfilm. Marvel is working because there is Kevin Feige at Marvel Studios. These aren't big story people who have written for Marvel or Star Wars. These are producers who know how to operate the business while also being very aware of the expectations of fans and how to build a business around making fans happy and getting the right people on board to make films that do that. You can't just magically hire people like that for a franchise.
Gordon Shumway
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Agreed. If it was that simple, they'd have done it already.
sems4arsenal
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BVS isn't Revenge of the fallen bad..........is it?
E the Shaggy
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I'm trying to decide which was the biggest disappointment on a sure fire concept:
Batman V Superman or Alien V Predator
Batman V Superman or Alien V Predator
Revenge of the Fallen is more entertaining.
It's schlocky and dumb but at least it isn't woefully boring like BvS.
SonicMegaDrive
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Nah. It's terrible but it's not that bad.
Revenge of the Fallen is boring as hell. Only decent scene in the entire film is the forest fight. And it has pacing issues much worse than BvS. BvS is bad but it's not Revenge of the Fallen bad.
Right. Writing duties aside, these guys are pretty much doing the equivalent of what showrunners do on the TV side of things. Seems to be a necessity for these cinematic universe movies to work in the long term, but it's not easy to find someone who understands all the sides of the equation like that.
No not even close. BvS is bad, but Revenge of the Fallen is legit one of the worst movies ever made.
Gordon Shumway
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Dude. Hell no. I mean, brother KonradLaw might disagree..😉
How does that compare to the other live-action movies from Disney?
Cinderella opened to $25M and maleficent $22M
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