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Don't really feel that Pixar has had anything big and refreshing in ages now. Just sequels, more sequels, and when they do have original flicks they just don't feel as inventive as the ones before. When was the last time Pixar really wow'd anyone?

Inside Out was highly inventive and wowed a lot of people (not me; I hated the execution). The Last Dinosaur though... I haven't even see yet. I wonder what direction Coco is headed?
 
I enjoyed Inside Out too, but if it were released in the golden age of Pixar I don't think it would have registered as one of the better works in a given film cycle.
 
There is only ONE original Pixar film coming out in the next 4 years and its plot sounds dumb.

But then, so did the plot of Up to me, here's hoping I'm pleasantly surprised yet again.
 
Don't really feel that Pixar has had anything big and refreshing in ages now. Just sequels, more sequels, and when they do have original flicks they just don't feel as inventive as the ones before. When was the last time Pixar really wow'd anyone?

Inside out and that's besides the point. The point is they are doing original shit. Wouldn't it depress you if they weren't?

How boring is it for a filmmaker to be locked in to rules. "Batman doesn't kill" "He doesn't understand superman" It's boring as fuck quite frankly. You have little creative freedom unless you do your own shit. People shit on Cameron, but other filmmakers are salivating at his freedom to create his own world on his own terms. I dig that we have no idea what to expect. That's exciting to me.

And Wachowski's can make movies and tv shows as long as people give them money and I'm there along for the ride.
 
Inside Out was highly inventive and wowed a lot of people (not me; I hated the execution). The Last Dinosaur though... I haven't even see yet. I wonder what direction Coco is headed?

You mean The Good Dinosaur? I thought it was awful. It had gorgeous animation at least, but it was wasted in one of the worst stories I've seen yet in one of these animated films.
 
Inside out and that's besides the point. The point is they are doing original shit. Wouldn't it depress you if they weren't?

How boring is it for a filmmaker to be locked in to rules. "Batman doesn't kill" "He doesn't understand superman" It's boring as fuck quite frankly. You have little creative freedom unless you do your own shit. People shit on Cameron, but other filmmakers are salivating at his freedom to create his own world on his own terms. I dig that we have no idea what to expect. That's exciting to me.

And Wachowski's can make movies and tv shows as long as people give them money and I'm there along for the ride.

Wouldn't really bother me if Pixar never makes an original movie again tbh, since personally I've moved on from seeing Pixar as some unique flower of a studio working on amazing creative works. Disney Animation Studios has been showing them up for a while now I feel. Both creatively and commercially.

I care more about filmmakers than studio brands. It would certainly be depressing if Brad Bird never made an original movie again. But since he can do live action as well now, it's probably not a huge issue for him. I'm not really seeing there being an epidemic of creative talent being stuck working on franchise stuff which is a waste of their talent. Look at the people who actually direct Marvel and DC films, and I don't think anyone can honestly say "they're being wasted on that" when most of the directors are actually getting opportunities to boost their own profile working on these films before moving on. No one is really stuck on them.
 
^ Agree on the Wachowskis. Sense8 is awesome too.

Inside Out was highly inventive and wowed a lot of people (not me; I hated the execution). The Last Dinosaur though... I haven't even see yet. I wonder what direction Coco is headed?
Coco's from Lee Unkrich, director of Toy Story 3 and co-director of Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc, and Finding Nemo. I have faith.
 
^ Agree on the Wachowskis. Sense8 is awesome too.


Coco's from Lee Unkrich, director of Toy Story 3 and co-director of Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc, and Finding Nemo. I have faith.

I adore them. They never ever play it safe. Speed Racer should have been a safe home run and they made a damn kiddie art film. They are true artists warts and all.


And come on they changed the game with Matrix, so everything else in my book is gravy.
 
I'm not watching a 17 minute video by him. I've watched a few of his quick reviews and he's just awful.

I would hate to be as jaded as that dude.

I mainly threw it up because of the claim of Pixar being "refreshingly original", the vid takes a scalpel to that notion and proves how hilariously false it is.
 
Matrix Revolutions is their safest film, probably because it was made back to back with Reloaded, and it really showed. Lol.
 
I adore them. They never ever play it safe. Speed Racer should have been a safe home run and they made a damn kiddie art film. They are true artists warts and all.


And come on they changed the game with Matrix, so everything else in my book is gravy.

They changed the game with the Matrix, then ruined it with their piss-awful sequels. They're pure one-trick ponies. Why WB keeps giving them money to make bombs I'll never know.
 
Matrix Revolutions is their safest film, probably because it was made back to back with Reloaded, and it really showed. Lol.

They are such odd and out of touch (mainstream) filmmakers, but if you get on their wavelength you enjoy the ride. Sense8 is amazing and messy as hell art.
 
They changed the game with the Matrix, then ruined it with their piss-awful sequels. They're pure one-trick ponies. Why WB keeps giving them money to make bombs I'll never know.
The Matrix, Speed Racer, Cloud Atlas, Sense8. I would welcome more one-trick ponies like the Wachowskis.
 
They changed the game with the Matrix, then ruined it with their piss-awful sequels. They're pure one-trick ponies. Why WB keeps giving them money to make bombs I'll never know.

Because they are creative as fuck and they hope to pull another one out. I mean come on, they could easily crank out a comic book movie and it'll make 1B, but they would be bored outta of their mind. They are independent thinkers at heart.
 
They changed the game with the Matrix, then ruined it with their piss-awful sequels. They're pure one-trick ponies. Why WB keeps giving them money to make bombs I'll never know.
Do you mean one-hit wonders? Regardless of how you feel about their body of work, I don't see how you can say the Wachoswkis don't have way more than one trick up their sleeves.
 
They are such odd and out of touch (mainstream) filmmakers, but if you get on their wavelength you enjoy the ride. Sense8 is amazing and messy as hell art.

Hated Speed Racer. Loved Cloud Atlas. Hated Jupiter Ascending. Loved Sense8. I'll definitely take that over average filmmakers to release stuff that I can predict that I'll "enjoy" but mostly forget about them after a week or two.
 
Because they are creative as fuck and they hope to pull another one out. I mean come on, they could easily crank out a comic book movie and it'll make 1B, but they would be bored outta of their mind. They are independent thinkers at heart.
If they could crank out anything that would make that much money, then they would've been able to do that by now. They've made a lot of really bad movies, including a bunch of adaptations, and have just shown that they're adept at wasting money on things that no one wants to see.
 
Hated Speed Racer. Loved Cloud Atlas. Hated Jupiter Ascending. Loved Sense8. I'll definitely take that over average filmmakers to release stuff that I can predict that I'll "enjoy" but mostly forget about them after a week or two.

Yep. I think filmmakers like them are necessary. They put out absolute stinkers sometimes but I'm still always intrigued about what might come next from them

People like that are needed to counterbalance the absolute bland competence of directors like Abrams for example
 
Inside Out was highly inventive and wowed a lot of people (not me; I hated the execution). The Last Dinosaur though... I haven't even see yet. I wonder what direction Coco is headed?

The Last Dinosaur was Dreamworks near mid tier quality, watched it last week with my niece and I was losing interest when watching that film. Not sure what Pixar was thinking with that film, I heard there were production problems story wise with that film, maybe they should've cancelled it.
 
If they could crank out anything that would make that much money, then they would've been able to do that by now. They've made a lot of really bad movies, including a bunch of adaptations, and have just shown that they're adept at wasting money on things that no one wants to see.
Thankfully profit doesn't factor into my tastes. Otherwise I'd be forced to love JJ Abrams, Colin Trevorrow, Jon Favreau, and Michael Bay. They're very adept at making money.

Bound might be their most perfect movie.
I always forget that one.
 
Thankfully profit doesn't factor into my tastes. Otherwise I'd be forced to love JJ Abrams, Colin Trevorrow, Jon Favreau, and Michael Bay. They're very adept at making money.
And I didn't say anything about profit factoring into taste, the guy I was responding to said that the Wachowski's could easily crank out a billion-dollar comicbook movie but won't do so because they're just so darn creative.
 
Whoa surprised at how many people like the Wachowskis. They are my explanation of why a completely unoriginal film can be 100 times better than something unique and special.

M Night Shyamalan has made more good films than those two IMO.
 
On the bit of "enjoyable but safe" filmmakers vs. "original but variable" filmmakers...I'd rather take a third option that didn't have to choose between the two. If only filmmakers that could create movies that managed to be good/enjoyable and original were more common. D:
 
And I didn't say anything about profit factoring into taste, the guy I was responding to said that the Wachowski's could easily crank out a billion-dollar comicbook movie but won't do so because they're just so darn creative.

Because they'd be so damn bored. They'd rather offer up something that is original, Is all I'm saying. Every filmmaker is wired differently, and I appreciate the ones that seek out their own imagination is all.
 
On the bit of "enjoyable but safe" filmmakers vs. "original but variable" filmmakers...I'd rather take a third option that didn't have to choose between the two. If only filmmakers that could create movies that managed to be good/enjoyable and original were more common. D:

That's why Nolan is the GOAT movie director.
 
Because they'd be so damn bored. They'd rather offer up something that is original, Is all I'm saying. Every filmmaker is wired differently, and I appreciate the ones that seek out their own imagination is all.
Except they've already done adaptations of comics, cartoons, and novels. They aren't any more original than anyone else.
 
Because they'd be so damn bored. They'd rather offer up something that is original, Is all I'm saying. Every filmmaker is wired differently, and I appreciate the ones that seek out their own imagination is all.

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Wachowskis aren't strangers to adaptations themselves.
 
3 out of the 4 films you mentioned are ass.

And one of them isn't a film!

I actually really liked Jupiter Ascending though. Fun movie. But I've also never seen a film that I hated more than Speed Racer
okay, Seventh Son beats that, but not by much
, so I'm pretty meh on the Wachowskis.
 
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