Naaah, but I do think adding the Balloon Fighter could accomplish the same purpose of honoring him without any of the downsides.
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Naaah, but I do think adding the Balloon Fighter could accomplish the same purpose of honoring him without any of the downsides.
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
Yes. That's way better than nothing.
So which anime character do you think is the most likely addition in Smash NX? I know everyone's going to say Goku, and obviously Kid Goku is a better fit, but I think it might end up being Luffy because we know Sakurai is biased towards Japanese tastes. I'm secretly hoping for Syaoran Li though. It's probably not going to happen because Sakurai tends to ignore SNES/N64 era content like Cardcaptors.
Sakurai Cardcaptors coming up!
And this is a pure sign of when the Smash fanbase has lost their minds.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, I still think Smash NX is going to be only Smash we are going to get for that certain system.
^ that's a good example for most customers. That's why I think it's quite importance for Nintendo and Sakurai to add more contents in order to sell for people who already purchased the games on previous systems.
lmao
ShinRPGamer
Member
Implying that we didn't lose our minds beforehand.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Take a look at SourceGaming's table of development and waiting periods.
It's possible that we could experience 64 > Melee in term of development and waits. Since Smash NX is more likely to be released withins 6 months after the console's release date, so 11-13 months would make sense for Smash for NX development.
It's possible that we could experience 64 > Melee in term of development and waits. Since Smash NX is more likely to be released withins 6 months after the console's release date, so 11-13 months would make sense for Smash for NX development.
So like... make the whole character from scratch?
GiantBreadbug
Member
Yeah I just get this feeling that Sakurai is being secretive about the stuff he's doing right now because it's a pretty hefty bit of content to get people to bite for Smash NX.
Like, they probably said "stick around and do even more DLC for this one" or "start all over again with 50+ characters for the next one"
Probably an easy choice lol
Dark Ninja
Member
Lol you guys love building yourselves up for disappointment. Wolf is coming too.
chaosblade
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GiantBreadbug
Member
I think we'll get Smash 4 + some 3DS stages + some new characters, stages, and modes (praying for good single player).
I'm not sure how much "some" is, but I'm thinking it has to be enough to make people wanna rebuy Smash 4.
I'm not sure how much "some" is, but I'm thinking it has to be enough to make people wanna rebuy Smash 4.
TheDinoman
Member
Um, no?
The DLC characters are done, they just lack custom moves and their own Palutena Guidances. This wouldn't be "making a whole character from scratch" as it is filling in the holes to make these characters more consistent with the rest of the cast. Oh, and by moving them to their series proper on the CSS.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Well, Sakurai mentions that he need some permissions from Nintendo to comment on some stuffs during development. IIRC. I'm not convinced that Smash NX is going to have DLC since he probably going to jump on Non-Smash Project after he's done with Smash NX.
Most of us aren't setting ourselves for the disappointment tho.
There are some potential characters this time for Smash NX.
Veterans
Ice Climbers
Wolf
Snake (he's very unlikely tho)
Cut
Rhythm Heaven Rep
Newcomer
Inkling
Takamaru
7th Gen Pokemon (probably Grass Starter)
Alph
Heihachi
Rayman
Geno
Those stuffs should be good enough to get us to double dip.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Considering the average 6 to 7-year gap between Smash games, I feel like it might be a bit too soon to be speculating on the NX entry.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Not really. Considering the rumor where it mentions Namco Bandai is working on Smash NX and it's going to be one of launch title game. It came from a reliable source.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Damn, and I thought the 64-to-Melee turnaround was quick.
I'm working under the assumption that Smash NX is just gonna be a port of Smash Wii U with a few extra pieces of content. Probably 2-4 characters, some stages to go with them, a balance patch, etc. Nothing major certainly. I'd love to be proven wrong, but with such a short turnaround time between Smash U and the hypothetical launch of Smash NX I can't see them getting out a 100% brand new game that quickly.
If I was gonna bet on which characters would be added, I'd go with
Inkling
Ice Climbers
Wolf
New Third Party (Not Snake though, because Konami)
I could just as easily see only Inkling and Ice Climbers though.
If I was gonna bet on which characters would be added, I'd go with
Inkling
Ice Climbers
Wolf
New Third Party (Not Snake though, because Konami)
I could just as easily see only Inkling and Ice Climbers though.
TheDinoman
Member
I don't think anyone is expecting a brand new whole game here, just a port and/or a continuation of Smash 4.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Same here. That's why I felt that there are good chance we could get new contents for NX. I meant Melee got 8 unique newcomers, 6 clones, 26 stages, many new modes and loads of trophies in 13 months. Also we got new battle engine as well.
I wonder if we are going to see this kind of feasible additions. I doubt it but if they have a big team then they could do it.
What if we did? I know it sound unreasonable right now but anything is possible.
That's what most of us expected anyway.
Jawmuncher
Member
I'm willing to bet Snake is in Smash NX. I'm sure most here agree with me.
TheDinoman
Member
Just like how we were willing to bet that Snake was in the base game.
Just like how we were willing to bet that Snake would return as DLC.
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Yeah, with the runaway smash hit SFZ is bound to be, not having Wolf would just be crazy!
NinjaCoachZ
Member
Come on, no need for the driveby when you haven't played the game.
Popular character featured in a recent game (like, say, Corrin), featured in the last Smash game, being built off a character already present (Fox) kinda like Roy, and Sakurai's expressed dislike of cutting out characters... THAT's why it'd be dumb to leave him out.
FE is so much more massively successful than Star Fox now, so that comparison is nothing. Him being built off of another character I'll give you, but even with that I still think having three SF characters is boring.
And I definitely don't need to play SFZ to know it won't be a massive success. Quality of the game notwithstanding.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
Bayonetta 2 wasn't a massive success and look who won the ballot.
Three SF characters is something we already had. There's really no reason for Wolf not to be in the game other than subjectives. He's one of the only cut vets who really has that going for him.
GiantBreadbug
Member
Yeah that's what I meant; that instead of doing an all new Smash for NX a few years down the line, they just decided to do what is basically more Smash 4 content (but it's included in Smash NX at launch so it's not really DLC).
And our character lists line up pretty well :B Rayman is kind of a third party that's realistic for them to pick to drum up hype imo, especially since Ubi wanted him in (or was that just a rumor)
They should also add Pichu so he can be the weak joke character and then they can stop making Jigglypuff the joke character and make it strong again.
Jawmuncher
Member
Just like how we were willing to bet that Snake was in the base game.
Just like how we were willing to bet that Snake would return as DLC.
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One day we'll be right. They'll see.
But the issue is that Smash 4 will eventually grow stale, regardless of how much or how long Nintendo keeps trying to pump life into it (see Street Fighter IV). There will eventually be a need for Smash 5.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
People are still buying Brawl and Mario Kart Wii for full price. Super Mario 64 DS was full price on store shelves for 12 years. Keeping games alive over the long-term is Nintendo's thing.
I mean, yeah, maybe there'll be a new game, but it doesn't need to be now when they can keep supporting SSB for NX when the iron is still pretty hot. All the DLC has rejuvenated it a ton and ensured it's still relevant. More content in an NX version would practically be a sequel compared to what we got in November 2014.
GiantBreadbug
Member
I don't think that's an issue that they care about for right now. Smash 4 isn't getting stale anytime within the next few years, and it has a healthy competitive community forming around it. It's going through some balance growing pains, but it's young. Also I take issue with the fact that a game with this many characters can get stale very quickly when it's being actively balanced and the base fighting mechanics click with a lot of people. I think Smash 4/Smash NX will have a long life. When it's time for it to be done, it'll go, but I think that's post-NX.
I think Heath is right, and we'll have a substantial update to Smash 4 sold to us as Smash NX, and Sakurai will get to skip making a whole new Smash for NX. It feels like Sakurai would find it expedient to just add more content to this game and let it ride for a generation rather than having to play the "who gets cut" game for another ground-up installment.
The fact of the matter is, Smash is being developed for NX right now, and has been for a bit (if sources are to be believed). If they want the game to have a healthy lifespan, they HAVE to convince the Wii U/3DS players to move to the NX version. And I don't think there's much of an effective way to do that outside of new content.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Can you really cite the reasons and evidences why Smash 4 getting stale? I just can't really see it right now because I know some people still playing the game at weekly to monthly.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Sorry about Double Post.
You need to sacrifice something to get Snake in Smash Bros NX. Like Resident Evil and Dino Crisis.
The cycle would repeat again during Smash NX. The Desire for Snake is unstoppable.
Derp, I'm sorry for misinterpreting your post. My bad! Well, I don't really care about Rayman because I haven't play any of his new games yet but I felt it's suspicious that they have trophies in Smash Bros for Wii U so it's possible they might have a chance for next game. The rumor came from very reliable source so he said that they said no to Rayman as playable character for Smash 4 if I remember it correctly.
With Sakurai's comment about wanting Geno in Smash Bros made me feel like that I should add Geno to the list because Square-Enix and Nintendo are getting chummy lately.
Why not Tingle? He can be our top tier joke character, and it would make every zelda fans happy sine they always ask for newcomer.
If we actually get new characters then I want to chime in and say that we don't have to worry about characters getting cut is potentially best thing about Smash NX Hype Train. It's really nerve-wrecking and annoying to discuss about which characters getting cut or not. If we actually got new contents, I hope that SAkurai would come out and tell us that everyone from Smash 4 wouldn't get cut to just make it easier for all of us.
You need to sacrifice something to get Snake in Smash Bros NX. Like Resident Evil and Dino Crisis.
Just like how we were willing to bet that Snake was in the base game.
Just like how we were willing to bet that Snake would return as DLC.
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The cycle would repeat again during Smash NX. The Desire for Snake is unstoppable.
Derp, I'm sorry for misinterpreting your post. My bad! Well, I don't really care about Rayman because I haven't play any of his new games yet but I felt it's suspicious that they have trophies in Smash Bros for Wii U so it's possible they might have a chance for next game. The rumor came from very reliable source so he said that they said no to Rayman as playable character for Smash 4 if I remember it correctly.
With Sakurai's comment about wanting Geno in Smash Bros made me feel like that I should add Geno to the list because Square-Enix and Nintendo are getting chummy lately.
They should also add Pichu so he can be the weak joke character and then they can stop making Jigglypuff the joke character and make it strong again.
Why not Tingle? He can be our top tier joke character, and it would make every zelda fans happy sine they always ask for newcomer.
If we actually get new characters then I want to chime in and say that we don't have to worry about characters getting cut is potentially best thing about Smash NX Hype Train. It's really nerve-wrecking and annoying to discuss about which characters getting cut or not. If we actually got new contents, I hope that SAkurai would come out and tell us that everyone from Smash 4 wouldn't get cut to just make it easier for all of us.
GiantBreadbug
Member
No worries! And yeah I'm gonna have to agree that no cuts is a huge part of the appeal for this scenario for me. I think it could be for Sakurai too.
I just need them to talk about it at E3 so we can go back to speculating :V
My point is that Smash 4 isn't stale now, but it will be EVENTUALLY. I cited Street Fighter IV as an example of a game that was continually updated over the course of 7+ years, but the general public & the competitive scene eventually started to grow bored of it.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Only 57 days to go for us to find out the answer. I wouldn't be surprised if we are not going to see any smash-related at E3. Yeah, I guess I'm very pessimistic about it.
Now it's really cleared up. I do agreed with you that fighting games always stagnated at the point but it's really depend on the communities and fans to keep it alive. It's BIG IF we are going to get new contents for Smash NX, I could foresee the game to have it's legs that might lasted for 5-6 more years then by time we would have a new console and probably new smash.
They were all but completed but removed at the last second because of the 3DS, weren't they? I'm betting the NX version will have them along with all dlc and 3DS stages along with Wii U stages. And then the game will become a service and they'll keep adding dlc over it for a few years until smash 5.
GiantBreadbug
Member
We're currently only slightly more than a year away from Smash 4's launch. I think in 7 or so years NX will be on the way out, and that will be when it's time to talk about building a new Smash game from the ground up.
I don't see the point in building another totally new Smash game in 4 or 5 years just because, especially when the base game for Smash Wii U is pretty well liked and balanced.
Uhh, a bit of a general statement. While granted, Smash 4 is a solid game, it's still generally considered to be below Melee within the FGC (especially from the standpoint of a spectator). Smash 4 typically gains more entrants at FGC tournaments because Melee has pretty much boiled down to the main Gods of Melee at majors. Though at Smash-specific majors, Melee seems to get more players.
The FGC is not Smash's primary demographic. It's safe to say that Smash 4 is well-liked by a majority of the people who own it.
Smash NX will add a mode where the character are constantly tripping. Walking and running will be disabled, so tripping will be the main form of movement. The first patch released will make this into the standard gameplay mode.
Regarding Smash getting stale though, it's still possible for that to take a really long time. From the sales perspective, look at things like Resident Evil 4, where the Wii port sold almost as much as the PS2 port. For the competitive perspective, look at Super Street Fighter II Turbo, which (to my understanding) never really died out until the release of the HD remake.
Now, I'm not really so sure about the latter, but the former wouldn't particularly surprise me due to the general tendency of popular Nintendo games to have gigantic tails. Not to mention that there's a lot there for casual players, who might have heard of the series and only later decide to buy them.
I do agree that Smash 5 will eventually happen, but I don't think it necessary is going to happen right away, so long as Nintendo can still use the franchise as a selling point for their consoles.