thelastword
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Closed boxed hardware on the PS4k, better interconnectivity between CPU and RAM, GPGPU, and lets not forget that the 390 beats the 970 in many games, especially of late with driver upgrades, dx12 et al.
Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info
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So what you're saying is that the Neo is noticeably worse than the 290X; because it's clear there is a disparity between the PS4 and X1.
Bringing in the 390 doesn't do much if this GPU isn't as good.
Or maybe both
Depends on the way Sony have updated the SDK to make the Neo Mode straightforward to incorporate into the development process.
If it'll require months of extra work, devs/pubs will chafe at it being a requirement.
If it's a relatively simple add-on that amounts to amending performance parameters like AA, FPS to fit within the Neo's spec and is something that can be built into the existing development pipeline with minimal fuss I can't see it being an issue.
ScaryShark
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Obliterator
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Sure, assets will reamin...similar. But there is some underselling going on here.
Image quality difference and effects used between the two will be immediately noticeable. We are dealing with a GPU that is nearly a full 3x the performance of the Xbone.
That is absolutely significant.
Rushersauce
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500usd would have been perfectly fine and doable.
Cut it with your passive-agresiveness, too, please.
Guardian Monkey
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Not many left..That I care about
StrongBlackVine
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There are a lot of exclusives this year on PS4 Just because you don't care about them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Lister
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So the magical coding to the metal !!!$_/#!!! Is back now? Common I thought we left that nonsense in the past along with suppa chargef architecture. Also this ain't no 390x.
I will say this definitely alleviates my concerns and if people wanna pay more for incremental performance increases that's all good because I know some people really care about getting the best in that respect. I really don't care as long as I'm not missing out on features/content and it seems that won't happen here. Makes the wait for the PS5 a lot more palatable. 4K will probably also be a lot cheaper/ubiquitous by then.
IcyRhythms
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Not a huge leap. Not even a big one. This seems more for assisting with VR games.
What's the last kingdom?
Jasper Avenue
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I'll buy this Day 1 just like I did with the PS4. I am in the ecosystem!
This isn't a 390 either TBH. The 390 is what? 5.1+ TF? To be fair closed box hardware does help with both development and testing/QA but it's not like graphics magically get better though across all games. The Frostbites/AnvilNexts/Snowdrops will be the same.
Suzushiiro
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Ports are cheap, so it's not a horribly risky proposition to make one that only runs on the niche/"premium" SKU of a popular platform. An original title that pulls the same shit (and of course it would have to be an original title, because unlike with the 3DS games that target specs so high they can't run on the base PS4 don't really exist) is an entirely different ball game. The money required to produce a game that pushes the envelope of the base PS4 is high enough to be a risky proposition as is; making one that *only* runs on a platform that is pretty much guaranteed to sell a fraction the amount (or runs on the old SKU but basically isn't worth playing on that one) is pretty much suicide, just like how making a AAA PC exclusive game with a minimum spec of a $300+ GPU would be suicide.
Someone said that even though PS4 GPU has 32 ROPs (Render output units), that 1.84 TFlops is really not enough to take advantage of them. At least with PS4K / NEO, assuming its GPU has the same amount of ROPs, the icompute performance won't be lacking. Current PS4 games that run at a solid 30fps, to potentially run at 60fps, assuming no resolution or graphic fidelity increases. That is, IF some devs offer updates for certain games -given that it would never automatically happen with already-released PS4 games.
Glorified G
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How many people in this thread haven't bothered to read the article at all? I've lost count.
Hopefully Microsoft will compete with this with the Xbox 1.5
On paper, it's a 280X+. This gen the optimization gap has dropped a lot and will drop a lot more with DX12 and Vulkan. There's a 30-40% gap here; it won't making all of that up.
Hexa
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A typo for the Last Guardian I'm guessing.
boredandlazy
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A good indication he's probably not really up to date with anything Sony is doing anyway.
When games on "weak" hardware stop looking like Uncharted 4, we can stop bringing it up.
Plinko
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Completely irrelevant to the conversation, which was about if this was a generational leap for consoles. It is not.
I think the "closed box" thing needs to be walked back a bit. Not that there aren't advantages, but it's not the massive scalar some people are implying. Most console games are not extensively hand-tuned with super low-level APIs, and Digital Foundry's i3/750Ti machine is still keeping up with PS4 and XB1 ridiculously well for a lot of modern games. What's that tell us?
Heck, Durante himself said a GTX970 is a bit more than twice the speed of the PS4 on paper, and accordingly it runs PC games a bit more than twice as well for most setups.
Heck, Durante himself said a GTX970 is a bit more than twice the speed of the PS4 on paper, and accordingly it runs PC games a bit more than twice as well for most setups.
IcyRhythms
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It's not a big leap.
I wonder if Sony will acknowledge it before E3 at all. I mean it's practically confirmed already
lol
You have to look at it in context. Look at what the PS4 can do now...then look at what the PS4K can do with the same parameters and the same game design standards. This is not a new gen, its the same gen...the impacts of this hardware on 8th gen games superficially will be significant.
This is essentially a PS2 to OG Xbox level conversion in the same gen focusing specifically on framerate, IQ and everything in between.
If everything in this leak is true, a lot of my concerns have been alleviated really. And that's if.
tokyocrusher
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I understand the struggle
JackBauer24
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I was looking to upgrade cause my PS4 is very loud, but not sure how I feel about incremental upgrade refreshes. This generation my last longer than the last one. 😩
thelastword
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Yeah, but the 970 is behind the 390 which the PS4k GPU is also.
Yeah that still exists and it's true, that's why PC had to bring DX12 and Vulcan to get things closer on their end, but there's still a divide if the dev is capable enough to push closed box hardware. Obviously, not the forte of multiplat devs. E.G......How many multiplat devs have made use of GPGPU on these consoles or have bothered optimizing their games properly. That's the general gist.
We can't even begin to have that discussion because AMD GPU's and Nvidia GPU's are nothing alike. On top of all this- this GPU probably has a ton of customizations that Sony has been cuing developers in on for the last three years. Don't expect this just to just be some vanilla 380X thrown into a box because NewEgg had a sale.
ShadowFox08
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Link for the Newegg sale?
Why are we thinking this is a new GPU in the 300 family? I would have thought it was still based on the Sea islands GPU architecture but with double the CU's for maximum compatibility
Crimson_Gold
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You mean Fry's. That's where the best deals are.
This is good news. I'll have my wallet ready. Time for my 4k TV to flex its muscles
CrispyBoar
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IcyRhythms
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There may be a better question to ask in all of this. Will developers become even more careless and release games that are more broken because they feel superior hardware will take care of some of the issues that they didn't bother to fix?
This is pretty big IMO. I'd never thought we'd have a 4TFlop console in 2016 and now its possible.
In the context of DiY PCs with unlimited options for casing and cooling and lumbering GPUs this may not be noteworthy. But in the context of consumer hardware design this is definitely a huge step forward.
This, yes.