Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info

IcyRhythms said:
You didn't do the proper research. Sony is admitting to the world they released a weak machine. This 4.5 isn't much better. I'm all for the upgrade! LMAO
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I think we're witnessing a meltdown.

thelastword said:
Internally renders at 4k with 16xAF and 4xMSAA and downsampled to 1080p. I mean, how many 4k TV's did we have back then anyway and it's basically what most PC guys do with their games on less than 4k monitors for improved IQ. Such a feat on a PS3 was bonkers, can't imagine what such a team would be capable of at 4k on a NEO.
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Okami HD renders native 1080p 4xMSAA. No downsampling.

TheXbox said:
Absolutely. Your point about the system's library is the real killer. The PS2 this thing was not. 2014 sucked SHIT, across both platforms. 2015 was an improvement, but 2016 feels like we're finally in it.... And that's it. Great.
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Are you really using this as an excuse to dredge up the NOGAMES nonsense?

im_dany said:
An half-step upgrade when they could've launched a whole new gen in 2018/2019 and noone would've said anything.

I know they launched crappy consoles, but are we the ones to blame for that? Do we need to buy two consoles to get what we should've got in 2013 (1080p60fps)?

I hope this doesn't become the trend. I'm glad I didn't trust Sony...
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I'm probably wasting my time responding to this, but what you think we should've got in 2013 wouldn't have forced developers to target 60fps.
 
Hexa said:
We don't know yet, but based on it being open world the fps is probably CPU bound, in which case if it's running at around 45 on the regular PS4 it would hit 60fps on Neo. Until we know the specifics and how they're planning on optimizing we can't say for sure though. Frame rate is largely going to be on a case by case basis though I personally think a jump from 30fps to 60fps is going to be a thing for very few open world games.
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Alright,thanks for the response.
 
tuxfool said:
What about if Sony supports Freesync. Amd has gotten it to work over HDMI. Of course, you'd need a TV or monitor with adaptive sync support.
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Technically it's possible. But freesync over HDMI was just a concept, it's definitely doable of course.

Sony is in prime position to have their TVs support freesync and if this so called neo whatever has freesync, it'd be more important than 4k resolution.
 
Bitch Pudding said:
Not being able to say "I own the technical superior console" hurts some people.
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But they are still superior to XB1 even with OG PS4 if their platform wars want to continue...Sony is simply bringing out a higher tiered option and seem to be taking great pains to not alienate current PS4 users if this info is correct.

I was against the idea when i first heard it, but with this info, i'm almost on board. All i need is a good trade in program
 
this made me think, could these pc-like console spark a revolution in cpu technology? PC is stuck with x64 forever, so perhaps innovation will start elsewhere?
 
ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
Because the logical limits to manufacting, distribution and retail apply here.

Also actually yes Sony has always provided a updated SKU of their consoles every 3 years. Its called a Slim. The only difference here is that this Slim will have a bump in power.
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That's the truth of the matter the slim is getting a significant boost
 
Mesoian said:
"And for another 699, you can get a 32 inch LCD Playstation TV, now with Adaptive sync!"

No sony won't bother with that because they can't test for it.

After the Vive/Occulus launch, I just question Sony's ability to say "This must be 30/60/90 or NO DEAL!" and have it mean anything. Because they mean well, but people making the stuff for their hardware are going to make things their way in the end, or go elsewhere.
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Thus highlighting the advantages of having adaptive sync. Either way, I suspect that a lot of games will still hew to 30fps,for previously established reasons.
 
ninjablade said:
That ain't happening, developers already take advantage of pc extra power compared to consoles, you think developers are not gonna take advantage of ps4k which will have potential to sell way units then a pc which has thousands of configurations.
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They do...in time. PC ports of console games have been...spotty, at best over the past 18 months. Sony's biggest partners (Square, Bamco, etc) have had their PC ports chastised by the public.

I know they say that they're working with developers to make sure NEO mode in games works well, but It makes me wonder how hands on their going to be to ensure that it stays meaningful and worth the 100-200 extra dollars people will be paying.
 
Tarin02543 said:
this made me think, could these pc-like console spark a revolution in cpu technology? PC is stuck with x64 forever, so perhaps innovation will start elsewhere?
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I'm not sure what you're getting at. These consoles are using super-stripped down PC (x86-64) CPUs that would be found it netbooks or x86 tablets. There's nothing revolutionary about them.
 
Mizzou Gaming said:
And if the trend continues? Two years later another slightly more powerful machine releases and then two more years.

If this is successful you think they will stop there? I don't think people realize the precedent they might be setting here. Success of this thing very well could end up being a big nightmare down the line.
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How exactly? And a nightmare for who?
 
NippleViking said:
With the gradual Xbox-PC merger, I think there's a reasonable argument that Microsoft are in a better position to pull this off than Sony.
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Unless Sony fucks things up they should be able to survive. We don't need two Steam-like consoles, and Microsoft seems content eventually just letting xbox be a brand connected to Windows. But there will always be people who want a quick purchase to give them gaming stability for years. I'm not sure this mid-era update is a good thing, because it kinda goes in the face of that. But the big sales of consoles, still, show that a lot of people now and in the future will want an easy, comfortable solution that ensures every game they buy for a system will work. The rumours of consoles death have been greatly exaggerated.
 
Mizzou Gaming said:
And if the trend continues? Two years later another slightly more powerful machine releases and then two more years.

If this is successful you think they will stop there? I don't think people realize the precedent they might be setting here. Success of this thing very well could end up being a big nightmare down the line.
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Given what Sony is doing here, i don't think they are rushing in blindly without knowing any backlash or consequences. I think they saw an opportunity with 16nm to try and do something a bit different and they took it, without thinking about some nefarious plan to sponge people in that manner down the line.

Also with silicon sizes, your not just "going to release an upgrade every 2 years". They could only do this because 16nm came out at the time it did and allowed them to do it. 28nm for another year or so and this would never have come about.
 
Inuhanyou said:
But they are still superior to XB1 even with OG PS4 if their platform wars want to continue...Sony is simply bringing out a higher tiered option and seem to be taking great pains to not alienate current PS4 users if this info is correct.

I was against the idea when i first heard it, but with this info, i'm almost on board. All i need is a good trade in program
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Didn't think I would ever see you come around to accepting this.
 
This just sounds like a N3DS/3DS situation. The games will work on both consoles, but the PS4K will have better versions of the game. It could be a big deal. Regardless this sort of thing is just unfortunate.

I dont understand how people can poopoo this because it's hard to not look at this as a bad thing if you got a PS4.
 
Mesoian said:
They do...in time. PC ports of console games have been...spotty, at best over the past 18 months. Sony's biggest partners (Square, Bamco, etc) have had their PC ports chastised by the public.

I know they say that they're working with developers to make sure NEO mode in games works well, but It makes me wonder how hands on their going to be to ensure that it stays meaningful and worth the 100-200 extra dollars people will be paying.
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I guess the question becomes, what do you think would be a solid enough improvement.
FFXV doesn't hit 1080p much, has a pretty bad frame rate, and awful AA/AF.
If it was running at 1080p at a solid 30fps with great AA/AF, would that be enough of an improvement? Because all of those improvements should be very simple to implement on NEO.
Though I guess that relies on the PS4 OG version of PS4 games being pretty bad off, though at the same time most of the market doesn't seem to mind that much.
I forgot where I was going with this. lol
 
tuxfool said:
Thus highlighting the advantages of having adaptive sync. Either way, I suspect that a lot of games will still hew to 30fps,for previously established reasons.
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Totally. The extra power highlighted by the GB story doesn't really allot for a lot of real meaningful change. IMO - it feels like this is the step they need to continue putting out games at reasonable framerates at 1080p. FF15 was probably telling.

We'll see. I'm not optimistic, but i'd like to know more.

Hexa said:
I guess the question becomes, what do you think would be a solid enough improvement.
FFXV doesn't hit 1080p much, has a pretty bad frame rate, and awful AA/AF.
If it was running at 1080p at a solid 30fps with great AA/AF, would that be enough of an improvement? Because all of those improvements should be very simple to implement on NEO.
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Absolutely. And for this thing to be selling for an assumed 100-200 above the regular PS4's price tag, the difference has to be solid, noticable and impressive across the board. People who aren't counting pixels are going to be able to have to notice and appreciate the difference in the modes or there won't be any incentive to buy. I don't know if better AA/AF and locking the frame rate down at 30 is enough.

But I say all that not knowing what Sony has planned for this thing.
 
As I usually pick up "Slim" versions of Playstation consoles I'll definitely be picking up a Neo.

I'll sell my current PS4 and put it towards it. For me it's great that they won't be looking to make exclusive games as you don't want to separate your user base, you'll just have the extra performance & power in Neo mode.
 
GHG said:
How exactly? And a nightmare for who?
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As someone who likes to own all the consoles and a pc this new ps4k will definetly make me think twice about buying a new sony console. I won't risk being burned again. Maybe I'll wait till the end of its life span to pick one up.
 
Always on point.

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Sucks that trading in your system mid gen is to become a thing but this at least sounds like a fair way to do it
 
Mesoian said:
They do...in time. PC ports of console games have been...spotty, at best over the past 18 months. Sony's biggest partners (Square, Bamco, etc) have had their PC ports chastised by the public.

I know they say that they're working with developers to make sure NEO mode in games works well, but It makes me wonder how hands on their going to be to ensure that it stays meaningful and worth the 100-200 extra dollars people will be paying.
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It's actually very rare, the vast majority of games run and look much better on a gpu that's 2x more powerful then ps4, now factor in developers will be focusing the most on PS4K configuration, and you can see this shouldn't be a problem at all for any competent developer.
 
chaosblade said:
I'm not sure what you're getting at. These consoles are using super-stripped down PC (x86-64) CPUs that would be found it netbooks or x86 tablets. There's nothing revolutionary about them.
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Yes, but these consoles will be using super-stripped down PC (x86-64) CPUs until something better will come along.
 
blankempathy said:
As someone who likes to own all the consoles and a pc this new ps4k will definetly make me think twice about buying a new sony console. I won't risk being burned again. Maybe I'll wait till the end of its life span to pick one up.
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So you'll wait 5-6 years and forego great video games simply because you can't accept the fact that the console you have isn't the best model available? Really? How are you even getting through life with that attitude?

Edit:
LOL at the CeoKaz tweet.
 
blankempathy said:
As someone who likes to own all the consoles and a pc this new ps4k will definetly make me think twice about buying a new sony console. I won't risk being burned again. Maybe I'll wait till the end of its life span to pick one up.
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Lifespans might not be a thing anymore. If this ensures backwards compatibility with future iterations you can simply upgrade when your ready and play whatever you might have missed out on. Or just continue to play the games on your original ps4...

Get_craycray said:
Always on point.

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Right on cue.
 
Tarin02543 said:
Yes, but these consoles will be using super-stripped down PC (x86-64) CPUs until something better will come along.
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There are plenty of better CPUs. They don't use them because they're cost sensitive. There is no magic bullet of research that will be driven by console rat races.
 
blankempathy said:
As someone who likes to own all the consoles and a pc this new ps4k will definetly make me think twice about buying a new sony console. I won't risk being burned again. Maybe I'll wait till the end of its life span to pick one up.
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that seems like an issue endemic to people who feel the need to buy everything

Mizzou Gaming said:
A nightmare for those of us that don't want to have to buy a new machine every two years to run Sony's 1st Party software at their highest quality.
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you could at least get the number of years right if you're going to keep repeating yourself
 
ninjablade said:
It's actually very rare, the vast majority of games run and look much better on a gpu that's 2x more powerful then ps4, now factor in developers will be focusing the most on PS4K configuration, and you can see this shouldn't be a problem at all for any competent developer.
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It's not that rare, the FF13 ports were laughably awful. We all sucked in a deep breath as we opened up that Durante article not knowing if Dark Souls 3 was going to be a smoking tire fire (and for people with 770's it still was).

And I get that most of those botched pc ports were more budgetary problems than technical ones, but even so, the entire crux of the NEO is sony telling developers to spend more time and money on each project so they uphold the notion of having more consistent performance across the board, which is weird and just another set of gears to have the proverbial wrench tossed in.
 
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