Watch the last debate.
April U.S. Primaries |OT| Vote in 20 Turns for World Leader
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Watch the last debate.
What reality do you live in?
The last debate doesn't make accusations of NRA cronyism and sexism "Republican Tactics."
Wafflecakes
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Yeah. That is totally a GOP tactic.
Running around and claiming that their opponents are pro gun is in their playbook.
/s
boiled goose
good with gravy
Sorry should have clarified. I meant gop tactic was Fearmongering in general. Followed by examples of what the Fearmongering was about.
See above. I agree Hillary is (now, see 08) more anti gun.
gutter_trash
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worrying more about Mom & Pop Stores than actual Moms and Pops who lost their children is a pathetic stance to take as a ''Progressive''
You mean like Bernie's fearmongering about Clinton being in Wall Street's pocket and her transcripts?
Wafflecakes
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Fair enough.
Though I think both sides fearmonger plenty, so if that is the GOP playbook they are both guilty as fuck.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Oh, except I do think Hillary's ties to Wall Street are legitimate .
The NRA did pay Bernie the equivalent Wall Street paid to Hillary for speeches not to say campaign/superpac contributions... wait a minute!
Hey i don't necessarily agree with Bernie there. He voted against a bill because of a small part he found objectionable on principle. We can disagree, but there was a point.
Happy to see we agreed after my clarification. Now please post some examples of what you consider Fearmongering by Bernie.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
She had an easy out on that one
His whole shtick is being morally superior than other politicians, but he's proven in this primary to be not above getting mud on himself. He's dishonest both morally and intellectually. So yes he deserves to be knocked off his pedestal, burn what few bridges he has and leave the game.
let alone campaigning against the establishment, i.e. democratic party/hillary.
Wafflecakes
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Not really.
Even if she had released the transcripts and they were perfectly benign they would still have been ripped to shreds, taken out of context, and distorted to oblivion. She 100% made the right choice not releasing them.
There were actual people at these speeches. If she ever said anything that was even remotely damning they would have been leaked long ago.
Hillary has a voting record that demonstrates being against Wall Street's excesses. Bernie has a voting record that's pro-NRA, who helped him get elected, sooo...
Also, important people get paid to talk at important places. This is not now, nor has it ever been, news.
Wafflecakes
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Shame Bernie was never important or influential enough to get paid to speak.
Is this a real post? Holy fucking shit
dave is ok
aztek is ok
If there was nothing damning she should have released them two months ago. She can't claim to be all about transparency and then not release them. She made the wrong call
boiled goose
good with gravy
Bernie has a pro NRA record? Really?
I'll let other posters answer this, even if they support Hillary.
We can talk about Hillary and Wall Street afterwards. Not really worth engaging when you think Bernie has a pro nra record. Reason has long left the building.
Outstanding. The mental gymnastics by some Hillary supporters on his board never ceases to amaze me. There are reasons to support her. This is however Fanboyism level apologetics.
Wafflecakes
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The transcripts fight for one. It is essentially the Bernie camp taking a giant shit in the mouth of real debate since he knows full well there is nothing damning in them, as if there was it would have leaked long ago, but he is only pushing it to establish the "OMG SHILLARY IS BOUGHT BY WALLSTREET" narrative.
I find it laughable that Bernie supporters don't seem to realize that there were actual people at these events where Hillary spoke, that actually heard what she said, and would know if she said anything damning.
Sorry. The Queen can do what she whatever she wants and if you say something negative about her you are a sexist bernie bro /s
so why doesnt she release them?
it isn't changing shit, it is just going to give people some selective quotes to justify their stances and spam reddit with.
damned if you do, damned if you dont. republicans been doing this to her for years.
Losers don't get to make demands. She doesn't have to give his campaign anything they ask for unless there is some sort of reasonable precedent. With or without the transcripts, she is on her way. He can seethe and keep hashtagging it on his twitter for all anyone cares. Its never going to get traction with anyone but people who are crazily anti Hillary anyway.
Her call was just fine. That's why she is winning.
Nice and funny site for tracking votes as they come in.
Polls close at 9PM eastern, but apparently New York is notoriously slow with results so be ready to wait a few hours to get final results.
Polls close at 9PM eastern, but apparently New York is notoriously slow with results so be ready to wait a few hours to get final results.
eBay Huckster
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because politicians taking their opponents' statements out of context for their own benefit is a thing
and you generally don't make own-goals like that unless you're a complete idiot and/or have jeff weaver on your campaign staff
Wafflecakes
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Did you bother to read my post?
Just because there is nothing blatantly damning doesn't stop the Bernie supporter distortion machine from going to town on anything and everything she said to pretend that she said something damning.
"Why doesnt she release the transcripts!"
Says the NeoGAF poster who vaguely recalls a couple of locked hotsauce threads and a recent banana-gate topic on the OT forums proving something can always be made out of nothing.
They can take their time. Got the smooth jazz, candles and dimmed lights ready. Going to seriously enjoy this.
Says the NeoGAF poster who vaguely recalls a couple of locked hotsauce threads and a recent banana-gate topic on the OT forums proving something can always be made out of nothing.
They can take their time. Got the smooth jazz, candles and dimmed lights ready. Going to seriously enjoy this.
TheOfficeMut
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So anyone know how Samaritan is supposed to be rigging this Primary?
TheOfficeMut
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You fucking kidding me? Even if he loses tonight by double digits, he still has momentum and the potential to win California 80/20 to erase her gains. Don't count him out. He's got this.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Actually, i do think the transcripts are bad. Not in a open promising of favors kind of way but in not so tough on Wall Street kind of way. Damning? Probably not. Look bad? Certainly. Hint that's why she wont release them. If they were clean, Bernies campaign would lose it's main source of fuel.
Sanders voted Yea to allow loaded guns in national parks
Voted Yea on Prohibiting Funds in the Bill S 1200 from Being Used to Decrease Gun Ownership
Voted Nay on mandatory gun show background checks.
To his credit, he voted Nay on repealing the 1995 ban and yea on minimum sentencing for gun crimes. But Bernie Sanders is certainly willing to send people to prison (the GunBan bill was also a minimum sentencing bill).
And he voted Nay on the Brady bill. Twice.
So yes, Bernie Sanders sure as fuck has a pro-NRA voting record. Now it's your turn.
soul creator
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Isn't "if you can't find proof of direct corruption/bribery, stop complaining about large donor money in politics" one of the main arguments people (and the Supreme Court) used in support of the Citizens United decision?
That sounds awesome lol. I'm gonna be drinking some fine whisky if things start looking really really good for Hillary (for me that would be over 8 points lead).
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
80/20 in California? Lol. Democrats voted Schwarzenegger into office as governor. Don't bet on that split.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Yup. If it's not obvious tit for tat it is totally fine!!
Was obvious sarcasm.
Btw. If pro Hillary gaffers want to drink some salt if Sanders loses watch the tyt live stream. Might be very depressing.
GitarooMan
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It was sarcasm (I hope)
TheOfficeMut
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Hell yes it was sarcasm, but that is surely a very real sentiment to some people, which is crazy! Ahahahaha
You still haven't pointed out Hillary's pro-Wall Street voting record.
Wafflecakes
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You can make anything look bad if you try hard enough. Virtually meaningless.
If you are correct about the transcripts being the main source of fuel then no wonder Bernie's campaign is failing, because that one sad source of fuel.
metalslimer
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Republicans whined about Obamas birth certificate for years with the exact same argument.
Wafflecakes
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Oh. I fully intend to.
It is my favorite election night past time.
...but its Hillary using GOP tactics. Bernie would never!
BlastProcessing
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Do you apply the same logic to Sanders' incomplete Tax records?
superdeluxe
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You can never be sure
TheOfficeMut
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Never be sure about what?
superdeluxe
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If it's sarcasm or not, sometimes you think it is, and then find out they were not being sarcastic (not you, just in general)
TheOfficeMut
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Oh lol. That's true.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I am actually unsure about Bernie's incomplete tax records. Based on what he released... not sure there would be much.
Regarding Obama's birth certificate... really? You think these are the same arguments? If you honestly honestly believe this, my mind is blown.
The conflict of interest of politicians putting millions of dollars into their pockets paid by the very industries they are elected to regulate is so apparent. I can't. I just can't. My will to continue arguing is fading.
Definitely. If/when Hillary is the nominee, I do think Dems will unify when they see what the opposition is.
Where's your response to Hillary and Bernie's voting records, Goose? You just gonna talk shit and back down when you're wrong?
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