Lil Kim's New Bleached Hair and Light Skin

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The white supremacy in society is just insane.

If my sisters had the money they would definitely do the same as Lil Kim. Probably take it a step further and wear blue contact lenses.
 
Arkos said:
I totally agree. And I think that this (and I guess other things) seem to have been so deeply ingrained in Kim that you could argue that she "needed" to go through this process.

I. Do. Not. Agree. With. This.

But I think that the discussion is worthwhile, because talking about it helps us understand exactly what is going on with Kim, and what is going on with someone like Caitlyn Jenner.

And again, not trying to derail, don't ban me lol.
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SMFH
 
Arkos said:
I totally agree. And I think that this (and I guess other things) seem to have been so deeply ingrained in Kim that you could argue that she "needed" to go through this process.

I. Do. Not. Agree. With. This.

But I think that the discussion is worthwhile, because talking about it helps us understand exactly what is going on with Kim, and what is going on with someone like Caitlyn Jenner.

And again, not trying to derail, don't ban me lol.
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Holy shit. Stop.
 
Slayven said:
Like i said the damage that the european beauty standard puts on black women
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Oh yeah. Now I have daughters, and I really see it. My daughter was disconsolate when she was 4 years old because none of the Disney princesses looked like her. Literally last week she was very upset because she wanted green contact lenses to change the color of her dark brown eyes. My daughter is 3/4 white, mind you.

Fuck trans-racial bullshit and comparisons to trans people. This stuff magnifies the damage that society has done to black women.
 
Why do people keep mentioning Caitlyn Jenner? Jenner wasn't pressured to change genders because the mates she was with when she was Bruce told him he was ugly and needed to be a woman to compare to the women out there. Society didn't and doesn't hold women as the top standard so why make such shit comparisons?
 
Arkos said:
I totally agree. And I think that this (and I guess other things) seem to have been so deeply ingrained in Kim that you could argue that she "needed" to go through this process.

I. Do. Not. Agree. With. This.

But I think that the discussion is worthwhile, because talking about it helps us understand exactly what is going on with Kim, and what is going on with someone like Caitlyn Jenner.

And again, not trying to derail, don't ban me lol.
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what discussion? what are you saying? We already know what's going on with Kim as she said it herself, it's also in your own damn post. Stop trying to equate the societal pressures that make black women feel disguting in their skin to the physiological realities of transgenderism.
 
Slayven said:
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Its a much more comfortable lie for some people to even begin to try to validate the concept of a person being transracial rather than confronting a society that purposely devalues non-white features to the point where people learn to hate their roots.
 
jWILL253 said:
When I see Lil Kim like this, I can't help but to feel a little guilty.

When I was younger, I was taught by the Black males that happened to be in my life that I needed to either get with a lightskinned woman, a Hispanic woman, or a White woman. All these men were romantically involved with darker Black women, but they all treated them like dogshit. I seen it happen... and I internalized it. I desired the same thing as a teenager... I hated my own Blackness, and the Blackness of women around me because I had always thought that "light" was the way to go.

Fast-forward a decade later, and I'm a grown man who's learned from my mistakes. I'm no longer in that mindset. But in hindsight... I look at all the male role models I had growing up, and I get disgusted. Jay-Z, Biggie, etc... they all promoted women with lighter features. Even inherently Black media... seem to prop up lighter toned folks over darker ones.

So, when I see these pictures, not only do I feel sorry for Kim, I also feel... disgusted with myself because I participated in the Willie Lynch bullshit. I feel guilty because it took until I turned 18 or so to actually appreciate Black women of all skin tones.
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Yo I had a real "are you fucking serious" moment with one of my cousins some years ago when he told me that him and his older brother hated when black chicks dated white dudes, despite the fact that they'd only date white or non-black women.

I look around at all my black male relatives and they all with non-black women too, and I myself am half. I internalized a lot of that shit growing up as well, and it took me a long time to break away from the "white" standards of beauty and start appreciating the beauty of black women.
 
Slayven said:
SMFH
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SMFH at you.

You want black equality? You want equal rights for LGBTQ+ people? These are weird and uncomfortable discussions that need to be had. Just bandwagoning "Y did Lil Kim do that no she was beautiful" isn't going to solve the problem. Pointing out that it's an issue of European beauty standards isn't going to solve the problem. Talking about the issues, and all of their weird little idiosyncrasies, is what will solve the problem, and help us understand each other and hopefully get along better.

But you don't seem to want to do that. So go back to your comic book threads.

EDIT: I see the critical posts. I am going to bed. Have fun with your circle-jerk of "oh she shouldn'ta done that" I guess
 
Bubba T said:
Societal standards would have you believe that anything white is the truth. The indoctrination starts shortly after leaving the womb and continues subtly (and not so subtly) thoughout life. Look at childrens media and tell me how diverse it is. Grade schools don't teach anything about culture other than early European and American history that you would think it is the only thing in existence.

This shit has been going on longer than you and I have been alive and that is what is pathetic.
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Believe me, I know. I'm black. I know all to well what it's like to view yourself as less than, in all areas. White is considered the defacto standard in terms of looks, intelligence, and even physical/mental capabilities.

I know where Kim's insecurities and self esteem come from. My point was more that she needs to want to get help for that, if she hasn't already. If she's gotten help, it hasn't been enough for her. Black women, more than anyone else in America, have been told how ugly they are. From their noses, to their lips, to their hair, and other superficial aspects (like a big butt if they have one).

Mainstream media of all types have told black women that if they don't look European, they are ugly. Dark skin is treated like a negative. Hollywood then reinforces that notion by pushing light skinned black women as the only acceptable black woman look that is attractive.

I'm a light skinned black guy, and that's also treated as being more than attractive to black men and women that have dark skin. Lil' Kim, like many minorities, have been told since birth that they are ugly, and in order to be considered attractive, you have to be light skinned. It's really sad. It's going to take a lot of "de-programming" for people to not automatically associate "beauty" with white, or to at least be more accepting of beauty in all of its many variations. Beautiful people are beautiful, regardless of ethnicity.
 
Arkos said:
SMFH at you.

You want black equality? You want equal rights for LGBTQ+ people? These are weird and uncomfortable discussions that need to be had. Just bandwagoning "Y did Lil Kim do that no she was beautiful" isn't going to solve the problem. Pointing out that it's an issue of European beauty standards isn't going to solve the problem. Talking about the issues, and all of their weird little idiosyncrasies, is what will solve the problem, and help us understand each other and hopefully get along better.

But you don't seem to want to do that. So go back to your comic book threads.
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Pointing out how European beauty standards being a primary issue is talking about the issue...
 
Arkos said:
SMFH at you.

You want black equality? You want equal rights for LGBTQ+ people? These are weird and uncomfortable discussions that need to be had. Just bandwagoning "Y did Lil Kim do that no she was beautiful" isn't going to solve the problem. Pointing out that it's an issue of European beauty standards isn't going to solve the problem. Talking about the issues, and all of their weird little idiosyncrasies, is what will solve the problem, and help us understand each other and hopefully get along better.

But you don't seem to want to do that. So go back to your comic book threads.
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Oh I see now, you mad.....that is all you had to say.


Carry on.
 
Serious question: is it possible to protect one's children from white supremacy? Toys, books, film, paintings, games, etc.? To make them self-love always without what anybody else says or does?
 
Lime said:
Serious question: is it possible to protect one's children from white supremacy? Toys, books, film, paintings, games, etc.? To make them self-love always without what anybody else says or does?
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It's impossible, no matter where you go on Planet Earth. I just try to teach my kids to love themselves and their heritage.
 
Arkos said:
Hypothetical: I am gay but I feel like being a trans-woman and therefore being able to be in a "straight" relationship is more acceptable than being straight up gay.

I can imagine societal pressures affecting people in a similar way.

(Forgive me if I am being offensive or ignorant)
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This isn't how it works for either side of the comparison.

When you're gay, you don't feel like being the opposite gender will make things more acceptable. You feel being straight is acceptable. You're cutting off your leg because you're left handed and people keep telling you being right handed is what's natural.

You can actually be gay and transgender. They're two wholly independent things.
 
Lime said:
Serious question: is it possible to protect one's children from white supremacy? Toys, books, film, paintings, games, etc.? To make them self-love always without what anybody else says or does?
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Just educate and talk to them. ANd show them there is some, not a lot, but some repsentation out there.

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BeesEight said:
This isn't how it works for either side of the comparison.

When you're gay, you don't feel like being the opposite gender will make things more acceptable. You feel being straight is acceptable. You're cutting off your leg because you're left handed and people keep telling you being right handed is what's natural.

You can actually be gay and transgender. They're two wholly independent things.
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I don't need you to tell me about being gay thank you very much.
 
Arkos said:
SMFH at you.

You want black equality? You want equal rights for LGBTQ+ people? These are weird and uncomfortable discussions that need to be had. Just bandwagoning "Y did Lil Kim do that no she was beautiful" isn't going to solve the problem. Pointing out that it's an issue of European beauty standards isn't going to solve the problem. Talking about the issues, and all of their weird little idiosyncrasies, is what will solve the problem, and help us understand each other and hopefully get along better.

But you don't seem to want to do that. So go back to your comic book threads.
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No, you dont know. There are black people in this thread telling you the realities of how society views them, how black females are generally seen as unappealing vs the defacto standard of beauty of white women and here you are straight up dismissing all of that to spout your transracial bullshit. I mean you're even straight up dismissing lil Kims own fucking words to continue your inane argument...and for what? To play devils advocate? You might think youre being progressive, but youre part of the problem.

I mean just think about what you're even saying. Where in Caitlyn Jenners life(or any trans person for that matter) does society pressure them that being a woman is beautiful and being a man is ugly and not desirable? That to succeed in life it's better to become as feminine as possible? Where? Did you even stop to think about the comparisons youre making before posting?
 
Lime said:
Serious question: is it possible to protect one's children from white supremacy? Toys, books, film, paintings, games, etc.? To make them self-love always without what anybody else says or does?
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Unfortunately no, but one can teach their children to take pride in their skin and culture and that they don't need to be white to be beautiful.
 
Arkos said:
SMFH at you.

You want black equality? You want equal rights for LGBTQ+ people? These are weird and uncomfortable discussions that need to be had. Just bandwagoning "Y did Lil Kim do that no she was beautiful" isn't going to solve the problem. Pointing out that it's an issue of European beauty standards isn't going to solve the problem. Talking about the issues, and all of their weird little idiosyncrasies, is what will solve the problem, and help us understand each other and hopefully get along better.

But you don't seem to want to do that. So go back to your comic book threads.

EDIT: I see the critical posts. I am going to bed. Have fun with your circle-jerk of "oh she shouldn'ta done that" I guess
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This whole post is just....

Yeah, you need some sleep.
 
Arkos said:
SMFH at you.

You want black equality? You want equal rights for LGBTQ+ people? These are weird and uncomfortable discussions that need to be had. Just bandwagoning "Y did Lil Kim do that no she was beautiful" isn't going to solve the problem. Pointing out that it's an issue of European beauty standards isn't going to solve the problem. Talking about the issues, and all of their weird little idiosyncrasies, is what will solve the problem, and help us understand each other and hopefully get along better.

But you don't seem to want to do that. So go back to your comic book threads.

EDIT: I see the critical posts. I am going to bed. Have fun with your circle-jerk of "oh she shouldn'ta done that" I guess
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I don't think you get why people are disagreeing with you. What you said about Lil Kim is right. She did this because "white beauty" is so engrained in society. Caitlyn Jenner didn't become a woman because society says being transexual is "in" or "beautiful". Two different things that you can't compare.

I came in late (only read latest page) but I think that's why people are upset at you.
 
Arkos said:
I don't need you to tell me about being gay thank you very much.
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Then what was up with your bizarre hypothetical situation? Maybe talk to some transgender individuals so you can understand that a person doesn't want to change their gender to "normalize" the sexual attraction?

Edit: Look, I get that you're getting piled on for your posts but you even expressed that you weren't entirely knowledgeable in the post I quoted. If you want to dig in your heels, that's fine. I was trying to make clear that there was a fault in your understanding of gender and sexual identity.
 
One of my black coworkers was talking to me about why he doesn't understand why "Dark skinned females always get mad when they [black males] talk about light skinned females". This shit is why bruv. This is odd, and unfortunate.
 
Lime said:
Serious question: is it possible to protect one's children from white supremacy? Toys, books, film, paintings, games, etc.? To make them self-love always without what anybody else says or does?
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Doubtful. The best you could do is to have your positive reinforcement as a parent trump anything they hear from the outside world. Someone, somewhere will break them down. It might even be a close family member that they care about. They might not even mean it or understand why they did it.
 
Dylan Sexbang said:
One of my black coworkers was talking to me about why he doesn't understand why "Dark skinned females always get mad when they [black males] talk about light skinned females". This shit is why bruv. This is odd, and unfortunate.
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I mean I'm not even going to mince words.

Black men are one of the biggest reasons why Black women feel like they're not desired/feel ugly.
 
Comparing this situation to being transgender distorts where each issue actually stems from. The male and female brain are different. The brains are different races are not. To even compare the two reeks of either racism, transphobia, or some weird combination of the two.

Anyway, I can't even imagine what it's like as a black woman when it comes to the standard of beauty they are held to.
 
Threads like this make me angry that there is no official indication why someone got banned, and/or for what post, and whether it was a permaban or not. Did the few people in this thread get banned for the opinions they were expressing, or a specific post that attacked another poster? After over a dozen posts in a thread like this there is no actual indication was a valid opinion post as to what was over the line and what was not.

In fact, the two people in the first few pages who ended up banned had somewhat different takes on the situation. What happened? Why do I have to guess?

If I look at their posts separately in a vaccum I cant even make an uninformed guesses as to what was the specific catalyst was, and I absolutely cannot conclude a consistent, easily followable ruleset to follow to avoid getting banned myself.

Besides, that is, "Either agree with the opinions of the moderators who happen to come across the thread, or disagree with them in a weak and milquetoast enough way enough way that you don't inflame their emotions."
 
advocating transracialism is being supportive of the onus being placed on the individual to address how they're perceived rather than fixing an ass-backwards society.

it's not progressive. it's a pretty conservative way to deal with the problem actually
 
It took me a while to understand why my girl would get mad when she saw black men with white girls. Inherently there shouldn't be anything wrong with it but all her dating life she's been fetishized by white men and turned down by black men for white girls. She's beautiful too which is just crazy to me, but it took me so long to open my eyes and see that in western world white is the prevalent race, and even people who aren't white are constantly slapped in the face and pushed towards those same standards and expectations.
 
ghostofsparta said:
The white supremacy in society is just insane.

If my sisters had the money they would definitely do the same as Lil Kim. Probably take it a step further and wear blue contact lenses.
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No need you can permanently lighten the color of your eyes through a series of laser therapies. Just wait till that procedure goes mainstream
 
Onemic said:
Are we really doing the trans-racial shit in this thread? Really? Really?



What does it mean to 'feel white'? Or 'feel black'? Please ponder this for a moment.
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I dislike it, but our society is racist. People congegrate and associate according to race. Cultures and values are tied to race. But we know that, at a biological level, race has very little to do with most of this. Its not surprising then that you have people who feel they've been born as the wrong race.

metalslimer said:
Comparing this situation to being transgender distorts where each issue actually stems from. The male and female brain are different. The brains are different races are not. To even compare the two reeks of either racism, transphobia, or some weird combination of the two.

Anyway, I can't even imagine what it's like as a black woman when it comes to the standard of beauty they are held to.
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Try not to be so reductionist, or you might find yourself thinking you're a sexist. Anyway, I'm not making a comparison. The two situations are not alike. But that doesn't mean we should degrade people who feel out of place in their bodies, for any reason.
 
This is what it looks like when an entire society is bombarding you with images and feedback that aren't you telling you this beautiful, ideal and what men desire.

Just look at those dating sites user polls that put black women last for more evidence.
 
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