Cannonball Titcomb
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I would say that's mainly because the democratic party is a total shitshow that can't field any viable candidates
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NPR: Bernie Sanders staying in the race 'Until The Last Vote Is Cast'
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I would say that's mainly because the democratic party is a total shitshow that can't field any viable candidates
BlastProcessing
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I have a hard time understanding how anybody who has been on this planet for the last 30 years believes this.
They're meaningful, they're just not meaningful with regards to Sanders because no one has called him out on anything. Clinton has treated him with kid's gloves so as not to alienate his audience and the GOP is actively praying he somehow pulls off the nomination so they can renew the incredibly effective red scare narrative they've used against Dems in the past, but this time against one who identifies as a "social democrat", spoke highly of Fidel Castro, honeymooned in the USSR, and is calling for substantial government intervention in any large private business.
Meanwhile Hillary Clinton has been the focus of GOP ire and defamation for almost three decades now. This is not an apples to apples scenario.
Velcro Fly
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he thinks that by winning fewer votes, states, and delegates before the convention he's going to block her
yeah don't think so. it will be contested in a sense that she won't have the overwhelming majority needed to win with just pledged delegates.
but she's going to get the supers.
the one with fewer votes wants to flip the supers. who is the one that doesn't want to listen to the will of the people again?
it is great he ran a spirited campaign and the issues he raised are very important, but being an obstructionist fuck just because he can is not endearing him to anyone.
yeah don't think so. it will be contested in a sense that she won't have the overwhelming majority needed to win with just pledged delegates.
but she's going to get the supers.
the one with fewer votes wants to flip the supers. who is the one that doesn't want to listen to the will of the people again?
it is great he ran a spirited campaign and the issues he raised are very important, but being an obstructionist fuck just because he can is not endearing him to anyone.
Yeah screw minorities, the LGBTIQ community and the tens of millions of people who now have health insurance. Modern progressivism hasn't done enough for me, therefore it's done nothing, am I right?
Fenderputty
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the apparent policy of "perpetual war in the Mid East" might have something to do with it?
Atomic Playboy
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We had that thread like a week ago and the overwhelming consensus was "yup."
Who did you vote for in the midterms?
The flip side of that coin is that it doesn't matter how long he stays in, because Trump is so toxic that Hillary will win regardless. I support Bernie, but I'm definitely going to vote for Hillary once he exits the election.
Cannonball Titcomb
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It's actually pretty easy to believe, considering wages have stagnated, income inequality has worsened, and the cost of living has gone up. But hey, we did some good things here and there
If he somehow manages to pull of the +60 win he needs in California and overtakes her in pledged delegates, then sure I will. That's not going to happen though so there's no point in even wondering. If anything the opposite scenario is the one to wonder about.
Incrementalism is a feature, not a bug. If people invest what they believe to be a significant amount of their tax dollars into the government and perceive no change in their standard of living, there's going to be hell to pay. It's not in the interest of a large, established party to make that risk.
Rabbi_Vole
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All of these people running are pretty old.. It also has to be super stressful. It's amazing no ones had a stroke or worse.
Bam Bam Baklava
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This is exactly the kind of complacency that led to 17 GOP candidates sticking around for months and eating each others votes while allowing Trump to rise. Everyone is so sure they're going to beat him, that they refuse to work together because they want to be the one that gets that easy win against him. Then before you know it he's already off to the races and you're too late.
Man, people actually believe this could be a primary influence on ensuring the Trump presidency? Lawd, get a grip. If Hillary somehow loses the general election there will have to have been some serious shenanigans to account for. Any sort of lost votes or whatever caused by Bernie is a drop in the bucket compared to what's needed to win a general election. Dude wants to spend a bunch of money and time pushing his issues? Have a ball. People are delusional if they think this would have any appreciable affect on the general election.
Viable candidates like who, Bernie can't-win-without-superdelegates Sanders?
You want a revolution? It's not gonna fucking happen as long as the people demanding it don't actually bother voting during midterms. It's not gonna fucking happen as long as your leftist dream candidate can't even win the Democratic primary. It's not gonna fucking happen as long as the US keeps voting in conservative chucklefucks.
They're all used to this level of workload.
BlastProcessing
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What does that have to do with the claim that the government has "never solved anything"? I am not arguing perfection, purity tests are for other folks, I am simply calling out the idea that Democrats have accomplished nothing. I am only asking for a little perspective.
Um, the pledged delegate count is actually super close. He shouldn't drop out.
If he somehow pulls off a big upset in California, he theoretically could end up with more delegates than Hilary. Who knows, maybe hilary will get arrested, you never know.
If he ends up with more pledged delegates, absolutely the superdelegates should give him their support.
If he somehow pulls off a big upset in California, he theoretically could end up with more delegates than Hilary. Who knows, maybe hilary will get arrested, you never know.
If he ends up with more pledged delegates, absolutely the superdelegates should give him their support.
No, it's not super close. The entire primary is proportional. Close was 2008, this is a blowout.
I can't even tell if these posts are serious anymore.
Bam Bam Baklava
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There are literally not enough delegates to win left for Bernie lol. Look at the the amount he needs to win in each state to get even close to an election path, while also losing the popular vote. It's over.
Did you just get into politics last week? Did you already forget about this? http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/politics/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-ruling/
TheOfficeMut
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Don't choke on those doritos.
Rabbi_Vole
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All politicians age like 20 yrs during their first term. These guys are going to be walking corpses before 2020
JordanN
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You'd be surprised how old some world leaders are.
Mugabe still rules Zimbabwe and he's 92.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Oh, this is certainly not what Trump should be doing if he wants to win. Not going to give him any advice though haha.
I guess I don't consider these stupid attacks.
Both politicians getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by certain very influential groups and joint fundraising that might bypass individual campaign contribution limits are of personal importance to me.
Credit where credit is due and criticism where criticism is due. As an independent, I don't give a fuck what party you belong to. Republicans are certainly far far worse in pretty much every single issue, but I am not going to hold back on democrats just because republicans are worse.
Bernie isn't moving anything right about now but more and more people that supported him initially into sort of being annoyed by him instead.
Prior to NY voting was his strongest period to possibly 'push' anyone anywhere.
But now that's gone, he's just a ghost holding on at this point and both Hillary and the media will absolute treat the situation as such. He has lost the weight to move anything anymore. He can stay in, but prepare for both voters and the media alike to view him for exactly where he stands from this point on... a third wheel.
Which is precisely why I have been completely apathetic about 'courting' the more extreme sanders supporters. As if I haven't noticed that a lot of them flat out loathe Hillary. I'm not going to waste my time pandering to extremists or coddling them as the math further pushes out of Bernies reach for the nom.
Bam Bam Baklava
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It probably keeps those 27 dollar donations from drying up as well. Lord knows Weaver and Devine need some more of that retirement money.
Pledged delegates gap is only about 320. CA, NJ, and Oregon with 660 or so delegates between those three states are still left along with a bunch of other smaller states. It is close enough for him to stay in it. He does still have a chance.
BlastProcessing
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It would be close if there were winner take all states like the GOP has. With proportional delegates, you need way more runway to make and substantial move.
It's like Olympic Walking; you see two people Race Walking, coming to the finish line and the leader is only a few lengths ahead. Just looking at it, it seems like the challenger could just sprint a bit and catch up, but she can't, because the rules limit her pace.
Sanders winning at all in California would already be a huge, once-in-a-lifetime type upset. The demographics in California are simply not favorable to him. Of course he doesn't need to just win, he needs to dominate.
Not. Going. To. Happen.
Cannonball Titcomb
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So I can get married now. Great. Meanwhile, 40 percent of homeless youth are LGBT.
The delegates are awarded proportionally. If California was winner take all you might have a point, but it isn't. He would need insane margins, the sort he's never seen, to take the delegate lead. It's over.
Velcro Fly
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No, he doesn't. He needs to win 65% of remaining delegates to tie Clinton. 93% of the remaining delegates come from primaries. Sanders has hit 65% or above in a primary only once, in his home state of Vermont.
Hillary is the Democratic nominee for president.
Bobby Roberts
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Bernie won't win on pledged dels before the convention, and he knows that. He can, however, cock block Hillary and force a contested convention.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Keeping in mind, every state where he DOESN'T hit the target means a larger target in the subsequent state. So that California margin could easily be larger.
SlimySnake
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lol. The difference is 320 delegates. That is anything but super close. its a fucking blowout.
He can't do that either. The Super Delegates get to vote on the initial ballot, it won't last past that. It's over, there's literally nothing he can do to win short of rigging the vote and cheating.
Ah the fabled pivot to the general. Yes I've heard tell of this legend.
eBay Huckster
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you guys, the margin is actually 290
not that this correction matters because Bernie ain't winning California let alone getting it back within 200
not that this correction matters because Bernie ain't winning California let alone getting it back within 200
AngmarsKing701
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Who knew the Dems would be more contested than the GOP?
Get in line, Bernie, before you fuck up the country. Hilldawg gonna need all her attention on the Trumpster Fire.
Get in line, Bernie, before you fuck up the country. Hilldawg gonna need all her attention on the Trumpster Fire.
jack_package_200
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No one has ever comeback from a gap of that size
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