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[Otakumegane]

I support this only because it's two more months of trying to push Hillary's campaign towards the left. He's trying to make her take more liberal stances on things. I don't think this is actually him trying to win it anymore.

It may backfire though.

 

[Kin5290]

Pledged delegates gap is only about 320. CA, NJ, and Oregon with 660 or so delegates between those three states are still left along with a bunch of other smaller states. It is close enough for him to stay in it. He does still have a chance.

Bernie isn't going to win 100% of the vote in CA, NJ, and OR. Democratic pledged delegates are allocated proportionally (and if they weren't Hillary would be winning by an even larger margin), so Bernie needs to gain a net of 320 delegated just to close the gap between.

 

[ZOONAMI]

The delegates are awarded proportionally. If California was winner take all you might have a point, but it isn't. He would need insane margins, the sort he's never seen, to take the delegate lead. It's over.

I understand that. Even with proportional results, it isn't over. Hilary still needs 700 delegates to secure the nomination. It isn't over.

With everyone treating the superdelegates as a forgone conclusion, it seems like it's over, but they don't pledge until the convention, and that's a long way away.

 

[B-Dubs]

I understand that. Even with proportional results, it isn't over. Hilary still needs 700 delegates to secure the nomination. It isn't over.

With everyone treating the superdelegates as a forgone conclusion, it seems like it's over, but they don't pledge until the convention, and that's a long way away.

You aren't counting Super Delegates, who also count. She needs less than 200 to clinch it. So long as she puts in a decent showing in California it's all over.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I understand that. Even with proportional results, it isn't over. Hilary still needs 700 delegates to secure the nomination. It isn't over.

With everyone treating the superdelegates as a forgone conclusion, it seems like it's over, but they don't pledge until the convention, and that's a long way away.

So if he was down 475 delegates and California was about to vote, it would not be over because your definition of over and not over is in absolutist terms? After all, he COULD get 100% of the vote in California, theoretically.

Come on man, I know denial is the first step but this is ridiculous.

 

[Zornack]

So I can get married now. Great. Meanwhile, 40 percent of homeless youth are LGBT.

And throwing out the progress that has been made for LGBTIQ individuals will help them how?

The senate is controlled by republicans. The house is controlled by republicans. 56% of governors, 67% of state houses and 70% of state senates are controlled by republicans.

There is no far left majority in the U.S.

 

[eBay Huckster]

With everyone treating the superdelegates as a forgone conclusion, it seems like it's over

the superdelegates are a foregone conclusion, because short of a combination of indictment plus dead boy/live girl breaking tomorrow they're not abandoning Clinton for someone who's spent literally the entire cycle shitting on the party

 

[Cipherr]

Pledged delegates gap is only about 320.

This feels like someone who doesn't follow sports looking at a golf scorecard and saying Johnny who shot 4 over par won the game versus Scott who shot -1; solely because Johnny's score is 'higher'.

Saying the gap is "only" 320 displays a massive misunderstanding of how this works, and what would be required to close that gap, let alone win.

With everyone treating the superdelegates as a forgone conclusion, it seems like it's over, but they don't pledge until the convention, and that's a long way away.

Have you ever stopped to wonder why people are treating SDs as a foregone conclusion? Or did you just assume it was a conspiracy? The SDs go with whoever has the lead. Thats pretty much their purpose. They ARE a foregone conclusion at this point. That's why people are treating the situation as such.

 

[HK-47]

Even bringing up the possibility of Bernie not getting crushed in NJ just tickles my fancy.

 

[ZOONAMI]

OK yeah after seeing that chart, it's definitely over if the math is right.

 

[Palette Swap]

It's fascinating how this campaign that started as this grassroots genuinely liberal movement has turned into a radioactive dumpster fire.

Bernie's legacy will be one of bitterness, not hope.

 

[metalslimer]

Fine I'll just continue to ignore his dead campaign. His arguments of how he can win remind me of the arguments on how the wiiu and vita would somehow end up big successes.

He made his argument and have the party a lot to look at for the future. Leave before you damage what goodwill you have left

 

[Kin5290]

I understand that. Even with proportional results, it isn't over. Hilary still needs 700 delegates to secure the nomination. It isn't over.

With everyone treating the superdelegates as a forgone conclusion, it seems like it's over, but they don't pledge until the convention, and that's a long way away.

The superdelegates aren't going to subvert the will of the people to vote for a party outsider who has spent the past few months constantly calling the party corrupt.

The party also has an interest in mustering a defense against Trump as early as possible, and Sanders is preventing that from happening.

 

[Irnbru]

Honestly I think the biggest thing that people don't understand is the huge difference from 08 and now is that republicans completely land locked congress and the senate. This is why people are calling for Bernie to drop. You want real progress? You want real change? Bernie needs to drop the fuck out and campaign with his money to get red seats changed for blue seats. None of this dem v dem purity shit. None of your dreams will happen if change doesn't happen at the lower levels. It's over for Bernie, it's time to fight in the trenches or burn your fucking bridges. I'm sad he has chosen the latter.

It's not about Clinton or Sanders or your little purity bullshit, were at the GE, sanders has been mathematically eliminated, it's time to go for seats along with the GE push.

 

[johnsmith]

So I can get married now. Great. Meanwhile, 40 percent of homeless youth are LGBT.

Hillary actually mentioned LGBT homeless youth as a problem and wants to restore funding to programs that were cut. Sanders has never even mentioned it.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/12/17/fighting-for-full-equality/

 

[Cat Party]

I support this only because it's two more months of trying to push Hillary's campaign towards the left. He's trying to make her take more liberal stances on things. I don't think this is actually him trying to win it anymore.

It may backfire though.

This doesn't make sense and people keep repeating it. Whatever moving she had to do is done. She's not moving any further left because she's already won. The fact she spent $0.00 on ads in Indiana should make this obvious.

 

[Prodigal Son]

It's fascinating how this campaign that started as this grassroots genuinely liberal movement has turned into a radioactive dumpster fire.

Bernie's legacy will be one of bitterness, not hope.

Do you honestly think this is the general consensus of the majority of people following this? No rational person watches an interview with Sanders today and concludes he's 'bitter.' Jesus.

The 'bitter old man' narrative is almost entirely exclusive to the Clinton-wing and is typical of a heated primary.

 

[DirtyManos]

My worry is that now that everyone is just gonna ignore his campaign and focus on Hillary vs Trump, his campaign is gonna resort to even more attention seeking maneuvers and baseless character attacks to get people to notice.

 

[metalslimer]

Do you honestly think this is the general consensus of the majority of people following this?
The 'bitter old man' narrative is almost entirely exclusive to the Clinton-wing and is typical of a heated primary.

It will be only if Clinton loses in November and there is evidence a decent number of Bernie supporters diddnt come out vote.

 

[ZOONAMI]

the superdelegates are a foregone conclusion, because short of a combination of indictment plus dead boy/live girl breaking tomorrow they're not abandoning Clinton for someone who's spent literally the entire cycle shitting on the party

What happens if there is an indictment? It may be unlikely, but I don't think the odds are astronomical.

 

[TheFatOne]

Do you honestly think this is the general consensus of the majority of people following this?
The 'bitter old man' narrative is almost entirely exclusive to the Clinton-wing and is typical of a heated primary.

And the revolution narrative is only pushed by Sanders and his supporters. Shit goes both ways.

 

[Mercury Fred]

It's fascinating how this campaign that started as this grassroots genuinely liberal movement has turned into a radioactive dumpster fire.

Bernie's legacy will be one of bitterness, not hope.

Exactly. I can't wait to see his career end. Hopefully he loses his Senate seat next time he's up for reelection. At minimum he needs to be stripped of all leadership positions and booted from all committees.

 

[BanGy.nz]

What happens if there is an indictment? It may be unlikely, but I don't think the odds are astronomical.

Biden.

 

[DrForester]

Man. He's doing the same thing that asshole who ran against Obama in 2008 did....

 

[Prodigal Son]

It will be only if Clinton loses in November and there is evidence a decent number of Bernie supporters diddnt come out vote.

Was Clinton a 'bitter old woman' in 2008? Is that why she's winning now? But please. Tell me about how the delegate difference means the majority of Americans will perceive the two scenarios in a vastly different light.

 

[Vestal]

So many Bernie supports have real issues with Math..

proportions how do they work?!

Man. He's doing the same thing that asshole who ran against Obama in 2008 did....

Let me look at my back in time crystal ball..

Oh yeah, she was actually ahead in the popular vote, and the pledge delegate lead was never over 200.

 

[metalslimer]

Man. He's doing the same thing that asshole who ran against Obama in 2008 did....

Clinton was never even close to in as much of hole as he is in. Even still she stayed in too long. And she was pretty horrible by the end of that primary. Doesn't excuse Sanders

 

[eBay Huckster]

Regarding the Comeback Chat that seems to have been happening on this page:

The largest comeback in Democratic Party primary history was Bill Clinton, who came back from being down about 80 delegates - but was well on his way to winning the whole thing after March 10, one month after the beginning of the process (and about a week after that peak deficit).

The second-largest comeback in Democratic Party primary history was 2008 (if you count MI/FL's half votes from the beginning), where Obama came back from down 32 delegates - but had it well in hand after February 3, about one month after the beginning of the process.

Bernie Sanders was down by 190 delegates one month after the beginning of this process. He is now down by 293.

What happens if there is an indictment? It may be unlikely, but I don't think the odds are astronomical.

I try not to think of that for the same reason that I try not to think about what would happen if a meteor hit India tomorrow

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Man. He's doing the same thing that asshole who ran against Obama in 2008 did....

And people rightfully called out that asshole until they redeemed themselves by endorsing Obama and helping him win.

 

[Not]

It's fascinating how this campaign that started as this grassroots genuinely liberal movement has turned into a radioactive dumpster fire.

It got too big. Too many assholes/idiots in America.

There should be some kind of formula for calculating how long a movement can increase in size and retain its original motives when you factor in land mass

 

[Nivash]

Pledged delegates gap is only about 320. CA, NJ, and Oregon with 660 or so delegates between those three states are still left along with a bunch of other smaller states. It is close enough for him to stay in it. He does still have a chance.

Ironically, the actual numbers are better than that from Bernies perspective. There are actually 915 delegates left and the gap is 284. The reason it's ironic is because that's still very, very bad. It means Sanders needs to outperform Hilary with 600 delegates to 316; AKA almost 2:1.

That's just not happening. I mean seriously, it's not.

 

[massoluk]

Man. He's doing the same thing that asshole who ran against Obama in 2008 did....

Clinton was MORE successful than Bernie right now.

The so-called Revolution did not have as good a result as Clinton who was running against Hopey McChange.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

If the foregone conclusion that HRC has this in the bag I don't understand the histrionics of Bernie staying in it for a couple months. Everyone seems to be super sure HRC is going to trounce Trump also. This seems like much ado about nothing. Let Bernie do his thing, he ain't hurting nobody.

 

[B-Dubs]

Was Clinton a 'bitter old woman' in 2008? Is that why she's winning now? But please. Tell me about how the delegate difference means the majority of Americans will perceive the two scenarios in a vastly different light.

Clinton jumped through hoops of fire to help make sure the party was united behind Obama and expected nothing in return but Obama's donor list to help pay off campaign debt. If Bernie jumps through those same hoops then he'll be remembered well, if he doesn't then he's just going to be a bitter old man who got his ass kicked.

If the foregone conclusion that HRC has this in the bag I don't understand the histrionics of Bernie staying in it for a couple months. Everyone seems to be super sure HRC is going to trounce Trump also. This seems like much ado about nothing. Let Bernie do his thing, he ain't hurting nobody.

The only reason anyone cares is that he refuses to chill out with the personal attacks and accusations without evidence. If he were just running on his issues no one would give a fuck, but he hasn't been doing that for a while now.

 

[jack_package_200]

Was Clinton a 'bitter old woman' in 2008? Is that why she's winning now? But please. Tell me about how the delegate difference means the majority of Americans will perceive the two scenarios in a vastly different light.

1. The gap between her and obama was a lot smaller

2. She layed off the personal attacks when it became clear she had no chance

3. She should have dropped out much earlier in 2008 tbh

 

[Cannonball Titcomb]

And throwing out the progress that has been made for LGBTIQ individuals will help them how?

The senate is controlled by republicans. The house is controlled by republicans. 56% of governors, 67% of state houses and 70% of state senates are controlled by republicans.

There is no far left majority in the U.S.

You could hardly call Bernie's platform "far left". Jesus, we live in a country where affordable college tuition and a decent minimum wage are considered "far left" and unreasonable.

Honestly, is this the world we want to live in? That somehow striving for these things that other 1st world countries have and enjoy gets you called out as naive and idealistic? And somehow we've resigned ourselves to playing this incredibly cynical game of just waiting for our turn at the table. Winning small culturally progressive victories bit by bit as things get worse at a faster and faster pace.

 

[Prodigal Son]

And the revolution narrative is only pushed by Sanders and his supporters. Shit goes both ways.

Because it's his slogan? Is this really your argument? Few deny that his ideal won't be the future of the democratic party.

 

[Atenhaus]

I love the overwhelming amounts of salt that follow Bernie in topics like these and in the OT politics thread. It tastes SO GOOD

 

[Cybit]

It will mean absolutely nothing.

Yep

Clinton was MORE successful than Bernie right now.

She was also scads more vicious on attacking Obama.

 

[Soulscribe]

He has the money to fight on so there's nothing wrong with this I guess, it's just so so so obvious that he's sticking around *just* in case Clinton faces some kind of cataclysmic scenario where she's forced to drop out. He has no chance to best her on pledged delegates, even a contested convention is a far reach, so it all just makes me roll my eyes.

Besides, ya'll KNOW he's going to spend this entire time shitting on Clinton instead of directing his attacks to the Republican party, inevitably giving Trump and co. more ammo to use against her in the general.

These past two days have been crazy.

 

[eBay Huckster]

If the foregone conclusion that HRC has this in the bag I don't understand the histrionics of Bernie staying in it for a couple months. Everyone seems to be super sure HRC is going to trounce Trump also. This seems like much ado about nothing. Let Bernie do his thing, he ain't hurting nobody.

FWIW I also don't get the histrionics even considering the character attacks that people keep citing - Clinton was still flinging shit at Obama at this point in 2008 and he still won by 7, and Clinton's GE lead is even wider than his was.

I'm basically just in here, sans one pot shot, to Correct the Record&#8482; on certain things.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Man. He's doing the same thing that asshole who ran against Obama in 2008 did....

Except that Hilary's lead over Sanders is nearly 3x in delegates what his was over hers in 08. She even had the popular vote lead then. She currently has three million more votes than Sanders who is running an insane, increasingly bizarre and toxic campaign that emboldens petulant, low information voters to buy false lines of attack that originated with Republicans.

Not similar.

 

[titiklabingapat]

He can think that but if everyone else has moved on, there isn't a shit load he can do.

He can keep yelling at clouds for all he likes.

 

[RurouniZel]

Bernie Sanders is acting like Congress has for the last 8 years.

Obstruction for the sake of Obstruction.

 

[The Technomancer]

After last night Bernie now needs 65% of every single remaining state to have a chance.

He doesn't have a chance. Period. "Anything can happen" is true, but I don't wake up in the morning in fear that I'm suddenly on Mars because its a statistical possibility

 

[ZOONAMI]

Biden.

Maybe Bernie is trying to at least get enough pledged delegates that if clinton does get indicted he can take the convention through superdelegates uncontested?

 

[Vestal]

Yep



She was also scads more vicious on attacking Obama.

That was a two way street.(I remember, and I am a huge Obama supporter)

 

[boiled goose]

No one has ever comeback from a gap of that size

Importantly, there just isnt enough time for him to catch up.
There is also no indication in "momentum" that could point to future contests skewing more heavily towards Sanders. It is effectively impossible he can catchup in pledged delegates unless something crazy happens...

Bernie Sanders is acting like Congress has for the last 8 years.

Obstruction for the sake of Obstruction.

Umm. Nope. What is Bernie Obstructing?
This is just so silly..

 

[lawnchair]

If the foregone conclusion that HRC has this in the bag I don't understand the histrionics of Bernie staying in it for a couple months. Everyone seems to be super sure HRC is going to trounce Trump also. This seems like much ado about nothing. Let Bernie do his thing, he ain't hurting nobody.

he's hurting the feelings of many people

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

He used to be so likeable but he's become a bitter man.