My main view on the subject is this. Missing E3 won't hurt the potential sales of the NX BUT having it at E3 can improve it which is why I see it as a missed opportunity.
Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream
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But E3 exists and its audience its growing both on the floor and online. There's no point in discussing an alternate reality at this point unless you think Spaceworld will steal E3's audience.
LegendofLex
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The E3 we're getting this year already isn't going to be on remotely the same level as the E3 we got last year. It's not an alternate history; it's an evolving history.
I have played Bloodborne and the combat and game was nothing like Zelda.
Well had Nintendo shown off the NX at E3 this year then they would have about 7 month to keep reminding people that there's a new Nintendo console releasing in 2017.
But if they choose to show it off later in the year then the NX isn't overshadow by whatever Sony and Microsoft are doing plus they can keep the hype going for 3-4 months.
Depends of the structure of the game.
Xenoblade X, for example, was demoed for HOURS at many events/Treehouse streams and they never spoiled anything related to the Story/Affinity missions. (1st years they did the very first mission like 3 times and always in different ways)
And for people saying that looking at the same thing would be boring I remember that the year Splatoon was revealed they only had 1 map and the most basic loadouts which is kind of insane for an on-line and competitive oriented game and that one turned out OK.
I think I'm more bothered by the explicit lack of 3DS news but I guess they are going to have a mini-Direct for that one later.
Mato
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That still isn't indicative of the show's overall influence. E3 is just a period around the same time every year when companies reveal new stuff on the internet. Nintendo is going to show their (potentially) most expensive game ever. That's not too bad.
Astral Dog
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If this was an Uncovered event, but we know it wont be
But true if they dont have much to show just wait for the proper NX reveal.
You have absolutely no stats to back this up. No trends, nothing. Even Nintendo will have a good audience for that day because it's Zelda.
Calamari41
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The combat in the Souls games is way deeper, but the base mechanics are definitely inspired by what was pioneered in Ocarina of Time.
Zelda 2 is considered rather close to souls no?
Again, I think souls (based on what I know about them) are probably closest to Zelda 2.
LegendofLex
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Bloodborne and Zelda are both pretty generic combat-wise, but what makes both of them stand out from other action/RPG games is their lock-on camera.
The sheer volume of information that's being ousted from E3 to be showcased at other events this year isn't enough? We have two major publishers who are seriously reducing their E3 presence this year, and many other staple publishers who are also bowing out.
so if they show an unfinished console with unifinished games they would be "competent"? how exactly? people already ripped a new one for E3 2012 and E32015, Nintendo knows that the next time they show something, it needs to blow the viewers minds
Ocarina_117
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If Nintendo's own reveal of the NX is received well and the console sells nicely I can see them missing out E3 all together in the future.
They may have booths and smaller meetings but their large announcements being made on their own terms.
Emily has a good thread of tweets on this regard.
They may have booths and smaller meetings but their large announcements being made on their own terms.
Emily has a good thread of tweets on this regard.
If you're attending E3 you're there to work, so I don't think what Nintendo will or won't be showing matters much
I can already imagine the actual Treehouse stream: One section showing 2 hours of Link breaking pots, another 2 hours of Link running on the fields mostly in circles and another 2 hours talking about your new partner Navi/Midna/Fi wich will be as annoying as all of them and will hand holding you till the end of the game... hype.
Stairouais
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Which is exactly why i think they won't show anything more than what we saw in the teasers.
That's reasonable.
Also:
Official PS4 reveal video on youtube (february 21, 2013) has 2.5 MILLION views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiNGZMx2vhY
Official sony E3 press conference on youtube (June 10, 2013) has 2.3 MILLION views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmoZAPDV3ew
Yes, I'm aware there were other avenues to watch each of these, but this is the only metric easily available to me. PS4 reveal had more views than their entire E3, despite the reveal not being at E3. I know this doesn't paint the WHOLE picture, but it's important to know that the NX reveal later will still get a *LOT* of views and coverage, probably on a slow week, no less.
Considering Nintendo is showing one game at E3 and literally nothing else, you are making big assumptions about what Nintendo knows.
Mass_Pincup
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You can't make a statement like this when you don't know what's going to be shown at E3.
Calamari41
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Exactly. The lockon camera is what allows for this style of combat. You lock onto an enemy with a raised shield and start strafing back and forth waiting for an opening. Maybe you do a shield bash/kick to force him to drop his guard. You dodge roll to the side to avoid an attack and strike back while he's open, or you let his strike hit your shield and then hit back. Souls is deeper, of course, with ripostes, stamina, animated backstabs, etc but the basics are there.
Astral Dog
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Hey there could be exciting announcements , im hoping for DMC 5 😛
GasProblem
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I guess they'll have their own event.
I really want to see some Pokemon Moon gameplay and a release date for Dragon Quest 7 and 8 though Nintendo.
I really want to see some Pokemon Moon gameplay and a release date for Dragon Quest 7 and 8 though Nintendo.
mckmas8808
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It doesn't. It bothers me more that gamers actually think E3 doesn't really matter anymore. And they are only saying this because their "team" isn't doing it well.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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You know the game's going to kick ass but best err on the side of caution
Sony revealed a controller and some games in February when the console wouldn't launch until November and it worked out for them. Nintendo seems extremely unprepared. NX will probably end up worse than Wii U in terms of software support at launch -- and without the third party support. This is a really bad move, but also signals that maybe they're not confident in their new product.
mckmas8808
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That's weird that Nintendo would want to be in the MMO/mobile game consumer space and not the normal console\handheld space that they've been in for 30 years.
well, they dont want to show a unifinished console and games, just because is E3 omgomgomgogmog hype, they are taking their time even if it hurts them in the short place
or that the product is not finished
Dark Cloud
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Ok let's be honest. WE all know E3 matters. It's a big platform. People used to call it like the "Super Bowl" of E3.
The problem is Nintendo has put themselves into a very bad position. If they made the Wii U into a great system they wouldn't be in a position where they have only a few console games releasing in 3 years. It probably forced them to hurry with the NX and their overall plans have been screwed including E3.
AcademicSaucer
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Activision, EA , Disney, Wargaming, etc bailed out too.
LegendofLex
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Speaking from the perspective of someone who's attended every E3 as media since 2011, except for 2014... E3 is a gigantic, stressful, expensive pain in the ass and I very much wish it didn't exist in its current form.
You think Activision, EA, and Disney not having booths and Nintendo announcing probably zero games will be made up for by volume from others? All four of those publishers used to have pretty huge presences at E3, and now it seems like it's going to be Nintendo with Zelda and that's it.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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U wut m8
Not talking about NX. They could be showing games coming out this year that we know almost nothing about, like Paper Mario or Pokemon.
But they aren't.
Then we agree?
Right. In which case they're extremely unprepared.
Gamers have a bizarre fixation on E3. It seems like a lot of people here value pre-release hype even more than the games themselves. Hype is perfection, while games are always flawed. Look at Quantum Break's E3 reactions compared to people's thoughts on it now.
Bjoern the Smexy
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Okay, maybe I'm missing something here, but that particular piece of writing in the OP doesn't explicitly mention that there won't be a Direct or something equivalent to it for E3.
Then again, maybe I'm just too optimistic
Would that be really that bad if we don't get the title?
We didn't get Twilight Princess's title until a year or so after E3 2004. I think we even got it exactly a year later, at E3 2005.
Then again, maybe I'm just too optimistic
Would that be really that bad if we don't get the title?
We didn't get Twilight Princess's title until a year or so after E3 2004. I think we even got it exactly a year later, at E3 2005.
Well Nintendo is in a situation where they need to start instilling confided to the public about their new console. They are becoming increasingly irrelevant in the console space. They should be trying to hype up NX and assure it'll have 3rd party support. This does nothing to inspire confidence in the new platform
GustyGardens
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I imagine they'll have some pretty nice interviews with the developers. The Treehouse stuff is always really good about that.
I'm also going to say that the book that Link carries is also his companion in this game. There's probably some ancient being trapped inside. It'd be nice if there was an option to limit the amount of clues your companion gives you while you play.
I just really want to hear the music. I bet they have a live performance of some kind, too.
If you're attending E3 you're there to work, so I don't think what Nintendo will or won't be showing matters much
You think that's what he meant?
As cool as the interviews could be, I'm kind of in the mood to see someone ask Aonuma some tough questions which the Treehouse staff probably won't ask.
For what it's worth...
February 2013 - 9 months before PS4 launch - Sony holds a PS4 press conference. Console is officially announced, the box is unveiled, the release date is given, specs announced, and software is shown off.
June 2016 - 9 months before NX launch - NINTENDO HAS NOTHING TO SAY OR SHOW
Again, this isn't a problem if they have, say, a bunch of Wii U games or 3DS games to show off at E3 in the meantime. But they're replacing NX news with a whole bunch of nothing. No one benefits here.
February 2013 - 9 months before PS4 launch - Sony holds a PS4 press conference. Console is officially announced, the box is unveiled, the release date is given, specs announced, and software is shown off.
June 2016 - 9 months before NX launch - NINTENDO HAS NOTHING TO SAY OR SHOW
Again, this isn't a problem if they have, say, a bunch of Wii U games or 3DS games to show off at E3 in the meantime. But they're replacing NX news with a whole bunch of nothing. No one benefits here.
right, thats why they are delaying the reveal... what are you arguing here?
Effigenius
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This is why you dont pull support from existing consoles until after you launch the new ones. Nintendo's got nothing this year and they know it.
Where I said that?
Isn't pretty evident that YOU are saying the same as me?
They are incoompetent.
a VIDEOGAME company that for whatever reasons (they said NO GAMES, officially, we probably can smell also something hw-related) isn't able to
- propose games for their on-the-market hw (the Wii U, with just Paper mario coming out for the entire second half of 16 and Q1 17)
- sustain their other on-the-market hw (which first party games will be released in 2016 for the 3DS?)
- cover the few products incoming (3ds games, paper mario) during the year with proper mktg campaing (icnluding e3)
- announce the new hw
- release the new hw
how would you call them?
I firmly believe that they didn't plan such a weak 2016 (April 16/March 17) neither in terms of PR nor contents, but...this doesnt make them "evil", but incompetent.
To better clarify: I'm not saying that they should have presented an incomplete console/lineup. But the fact that to avoid that they are forced to erase themselves from the "videogame world" (not only related to the E3 Digital event or whatever, but in general, considering how they DIDN'T ANNOUNCE any Direct, any Event, any Game, any...nothing up to now), shows us how incompetent they are in this very moment of their history.
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