Alex_Mexico
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And don't you forget that the Zelda they're showing on this E3 is going to be the WiiU version, not the NX's! This E3 is supposed to come and go without a single glimpse at nothing NX related.
Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream
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And don't you forget that the Zelda they're showing on this E3 is going to be the WiiU version, not the NX's! This E3 is supposed to come and go without a single glimpse at nothing NX related.
So? No one is saying that E3 is dying. Just that it's been steadily losing importance for probably a decade. Losing importance is not the same as losing viewers/attendance, but unlike 10 years ago you can now reach people in more ways than physically being at E3.
Parapraxis
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They basically already have lol
Cow Goes Moo
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It appears to me that Nintendo isn't ready to show nx (duh) and or Wii u has nothing significant to show other than Zelda
The 3ds omission is quite odd though they could show 3ds games at least
The 3ds omission is quite odd though they could show 3ds games at least
And here you are discrediting the fact that E3 having 21 million unique viewers last year is more irrelevant than a pewdiepie video.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
To be fair, I also saw plenty of posts from people convinced Nintendo would show off the NX at E3 on a live stage, and that those fans that preferred Nintendo's streams would eat their words...
I think it's time to accept it, Nintendo doesn't care about E3. This decade, the only Nintendo E3 that wasn't disappointing was 2014 - and they weren't on a stage.
I do, why think otherwise?
I understand that e3 is important, i was also disappointed. But i also believed first nx would be released in nov. If it's March, e3 just would be to early. They can just do it again like spaceworld.
Nintendo console mostly are released in nov. Thats why prev e3 announcements where logical.
Would those views convert to sales if the game in question was Nintendo Land ?
blu
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Some (ok, many) of the posts in this thread are ridiculous.
1) Nintendo have nothing to show!
Really? Of all the things we know they can show, they have nothing to show? Could it be perhaps that some last-moment change in plans occurred, and somebody decided they did not want to fragment their show into ''things we can show now"and "things we meant to show now, but we'll show sometime later"? I mean, it's not like they have to lay the marketing foundations for their upcoming gen; they can turn all their marketing plans upside-down, it will be alllll-right..
2) Nintendo hate their fans.
Clearly. They'd rather show disdain for their fans, than make good publicity. I mean, which for-profit company would not want to do that? Could it be that they decided to go for a Zelda Treehouse marathon (something the lack of which fans cried bloody murder about last year) because they respect their fans?... Nah, that's nintendo, they surely have ulterior motives.
3) Incompetence, yadda-yadda, nintendo, yadda-yadda, this fuckin company, ipsum lorem
Surely gaf would not be gaf without those.
1) Nintendo have nothing to show!
Really? Of all the things we know they can show, they have nothing to show? Could it be perhaps that some last-moment change in plans occurred, and somebody decided they did not want to fragment their show into ''things we can show now"and "things we meant to show now, but we'll show sometime later"? I mean, it's not like they have to lay the marketing foundations for their upcoming gen; they can turn all their marketing plans upside-down, it will be alllll-right..
2) Nintendo hate their fans.
Clearly. They'd rather show disdain for their fans, than make good publicity. I mean, which for-profit company would not want to do that? Could it be that they decided to go for a Zelda Treehouse marathon (something the lack of which fans cried bloody murder about last year) because they respect their fans?... Nah, that's nintendo, they surely have ulterior motives.
3) Incompetence, yadda-yadda, nintendo, yadda-yadda, this fuckin company, ipsum lorem
Surely gaf would not be gaf without those.
Before this he showed how the E3 streaming had also a big grow compared to previous years.Can you show some stats to support your theory?
God Dayumm
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When Sony revealed their $399 console with no DRM at E3, the day after Microsoft's conference, right then and there it was decided how this generation would play out. Right then Microsoft decided to backtrack on a lot of the limitations they imposed. This wouldn't have happened if the conferences happened at disparate times months apart.
This time there is the possibility both MS and Sony will reveal new things. It is Nintendo's only opportunity to show they have something superior. Unless of course, they don't, and the real reason they are avoiding E3 is because they are shying away from their competitors with the tail tucked between their legs.
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TheGreatMightyPoo
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Some are looking at this wrongly about them not having anything else to show.
I am sure they do but it's not together in the way they want to present it.
They could have shown games before at E3 and they admitted it.
The NX blowout conference better blow minds though.
I am sure they do but it's not together in the way they want to present it.
They could have shown games before at E3 and they admitted it.
The NX blowout conference better blow minds though.
This type of strategy has never worked very well. It's just Ouya. It'll fail.
I also don't know why they would work with AMD for something like this. It would be much, much cheaper to just use some existing mobile SoC and a forked version of Android.
That would be Nintendo's fault and has nothing to do with the irrelevancy of E3.
Mass_Pincup
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They did say that they would focus on Zelda so it's not a surprise for me, that's what I understood.
Salty Rice
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They have only 1 game but i feel more hype than ever because its the one game that matters the most.
Astral Dog
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We go from bad to WORSE
You should read the conversation I was a part of. Guy made a direct comparison between the number of Zelda and Souls games sold in a set period. To imply souls and zelda are created equally, I think we can agree, is fallacious, when the "like" is only a portion of Zelda.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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I am pissed
What the duck Nintendo
What the duck Nintendo
mckmas8808
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So why not just do both? Is that illegal?
Fault how, showcasing a game at a place it doesn't belong? That's exactly my point.
That 21 million views is the total from twitch's e3 channel.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I don't know, worse would be a 6/10 Direct at the biggest game show ever.
This puts a lot of pressure on Zelda and the NX when it's shown.
mckmas8808
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How much should that matter? Not everyone that sees a Nintendo commercial on this TV will buy a game either.
you mean this guy was able to write a proper argument.
it's true that with the 'streaming / internet age' most people just watch the event from their homes but I'd be surprised if the attendance numbers weren't much higher now than 10 years ago. and still a lot of gamers or people working in the industry go there, I'm sure. so I can't really agree to that. also, the point was about being relevant. being seen by millions of people around the world definitely helps, it's hardly only about attendance numbers.
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losing so much importance that last year Sony announced, yes at E3 (!!), some of the most long-waited/dreamed games. (not speaking for myself here, just the general consensus)
having more means than ever to reach people doesn't necessarily mean the event is dying or losing any way to be relevant, not at all.
LegendofLex
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And in the absence of E3, we'd find other ways to hype up information...delivered to us through the exact same channels.
Zomba13
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Just wait until the NX blow out extravaganza directly to you is underwhelming.
Nintendo is clearly in a bad situation, either by their own doing or by outside sources. I'm sure they'd love to do a blowout at E3 (actually, they probably would have loved to do one BEFORE E3 with more being shown off AT E3 like sony/MS), but they've chosen not to for one reason or another. E3 is definitely not irrelevant, but fortunately, there are WAY WAY WAY more avenues to deliver a message to the press and to your fans than E3 nowadays, thanks to youtube, twitch, twitter, etc. Missing E3 is a big deal, but it's not even close to the end of the world.
Mainly, it makes E3 less fun for the fans. I don't think it'll translate to sales as much as some people would hope/expect.
Do we have metrics on how many viewers the PS4/XB1 reveal streams had Vs their E3 ones that same year?
DragonKnight
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Because like getting excited for things that they love and look forward to?
You'd be hard pressed to find an event that has more coverage than e3. The info will be out there but the number of people who will receive that info is a different story.
EatinOlives
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And just because there are new avenues to communicate to fans does not mean the existing ones are "losing their importance.
You simply CAN'T make a convincing argument that E3 is becoming less important with 21 million+ viewers onlime and breaking records on the floor. Sorry, some things can't just be spun.
Dark Cloud
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Why does it bother you so much if they can't or don't want to do it?
Calamari41
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No games are created equally, though, and I think it's fair to be able to compare studio output and sales over periods of time. The output of FromSoft compared to the Zelda team since Skyward Sword and Dark Souls 1 released is interesting to me. If you're not interested in that comparison, then you don't have to listen to it. They're not the same kind of game, but how they were able to release three such large and highly acclaimed games in the amount of time that Nintendo is still developing Zelda U is a question that I think would be interesting to see Nintendo solve.
ErrorMacro
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What disappoints me most about this is that they'll probably spoil a lot of a game that comes out 9 months later. I might watch the probable trailer, check a bit of info, but I'm skipping the treehouse altogether.
What will they do will all this space they rented for E3? Just Zelda Demo units and people in line?
Here, I've made an illustration for the other booths Nintendo will have at E3:
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I think there's too much pressure on them and too high stakes for it it be less than stellar but you never know with these fucking guys.
Icyflamez96
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they're hibernating for nx
LegendofLex
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If we got rid of E3 today, you don't think the consumption habits would change to accommodate that?
E3 gets a lot of attention because the industry gives it lots of attention. But that attention isn't dependent on E3, and in fact it's much more important for things to get attention in the couple months before they launch than it is for them to get attention at E3.
GustyGardens
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Oh, boy! I can't wait to finally see this game. I'm glad they're not doing the 3 day Treehouse stream like they usually do during E3. One day is good enough to see some of the world, some new mechanics and a dungeon.
I'm ready.
I'm ready.
E3 is definitely bigger than ever thanks to online streaming and social networking, but Nintendo already had their own thing that you had to go through their channel to see, and the NX reveal will have the same level of accessibility.
E3 is gonna still be huge, and the nx reveal is gonna be huge, and im excited for all of it. But yeah generally speaking e3 is not that big a deal to people that theyre posting statuses on facebook or tweeting about how Nintendo is failing because of their non-presence at e3. Theyll either be talking about zelda or not.
They'll probably be sharing virtual reality media...
E3 is gonna still be huge, and the nx reveal is gonna be huge, and im excited for all of it. But yeah generally speaking e3 is not that big a deal to people that theyre posting statuses on facebook or tweeting about how Nintendo is failing because of their non-presence at e3. Theyll either be talking about zelda or not.
They'll probably be sharing virtual reality media...
You don't see mobile games nor korean MMOs at E3 for a reason, my point is Nintendo falls under that category; there is a mismatch between the audience Nintendo wants to attract and the general E3 audience.
sorry, but or they hate us (I don't believe so) or they are incompetent
if some last-moment change in plans occurred, this is an issue that created a void of contents and communication that could be defined only as "incompetence", imho, that will suyrely hurt the company as a whole for their existing and incoming products.
They will hold another separate event that will mainly preach to the choir as they continue to 'march to the beat of their own drum' and will end up missing the boat yet again. Just what I am expecting.
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