You are just absolutely cray
Uncharted 4 spoiler free early copy impressions
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You are just absolutely cray
Nightengale
Member
Neil is being reductive and cheeky here with his statement, but it's not as if he's not aware that he's doing story stuff that has garnered valid criticisms in terms of pacing, more grounded execution, etc.
Neil is being reductive and cheeky here with his statement, but it's not as if he's not aware that he's doing story stuff that has garnered valid criticisms in terms of pacing, more grounded execution, etc.
Well, he got what he wanted then, I guess.
Lys Skygge
Member
I'm really excited that the game has a slower pace. My favorite parts in The Last of Us were when you would explore and listen to the characters talk to eachother. I'm going into Gamestop today to finish paying off my special edition preorder. Maybe they'll give it to me early 
I can dream
I think the game would have had way more criticism, especially from critics, if it was just wall to wall action.
Big TLOU and Uncharted fan, and I liked TLOU just a tad better. U4 has some dips in the pacing, and i liked TLOU's survival minded gameplay a tad more (though U4s action is absolutely incredible) and offcourse the story is way more lighthearted, so it doesn't hit the feels as hard as TLOU. But then again, the final chapter hits home in an amazing way for a fan like me. It is a brilliant send of for the series.
Also, the game takes some Left Behind ideas which works wonders in establishing the world and characters.
Coolbgdog12
Member
I was rolling my eyes a bunch reading your posts during this thread.
Of course you were
Nightengale
Member
Even from the ones who aren't looking for wall-to-wall action, the slow pacing of the opening has been criticised, and while it's not a consensus opinion, there are not a few who thinks that Neil may have gone a bit too grounded for their taste.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Bro, you tell me where in Houston, I will be there
He doesnt know how to combine gameplay and story without conflict.Neil is being reductive and cheeky here with his statement, but it's not as if he's not aware that he's doing story stuff that has garnered valid criticisms in terms of pacing, more grounded execution, etc.
In both Uncharted and TLoU there has been massive dissonance between gameplay and story sections.
Its even more dissonant in TLoU where the characters are supposed to be vulnerable emotional humans in the cutscenes but the gameplay consists of nothing but racking up a massive body count by the end of the game.
Almost every human you meet outside of cutscenes is a target to be killed in TLoU.
Compare this with The Witcher 2 and 3 where the interaction with the world is much more believable and sophisticated.
Neil didnt revolutionize gameplay and story interaction in anyway,no matter the quality of VA and Cinematography in his games.
Whaaaaaat the hell.
F U C K Y O U
last time i ever pre-order anything from amazon.
get2sammyb
Member
Definitely agree with the Left Behind comparison. I absolutely loved it, though, and equally enjoyed this sort of stuff in Uncharted 4.
I definitely understand how it will prove divisive, though. Personally, I'm with Druckmann -- I can get wall-to-wall action from practically all other games. I'm glad they made something that's not afraid to breathe.
I agree with you on Uncharted, but not on The Last of Us. I think they do a great job in that game setting up Joel's character as someone who's done some bad things and understands it's a kill or be killed world now. I also thought the scavenging systems encouraged the exploration and complemented the survival aspect of the game.
potatohead
Member
F U C K Y O U
last time i ever pre-order anything from amazon.
Holy shit that sucks.
I have a pre-order from Amazon.ca hope that doesn't happen to me....
Might even just be worth cancelling that order and getting it in the shops.... unless you have the pre-order discounts, that would suck major balls.
Neil is being reductive and cheeky here with his statement, but it's not as if he's not aware that he's doing story stuff that has garnered valid criticisms in terms of pacing, more grounded execution, etc.
I'm on Neil's bandwagon. I really love his approach to video games' stories and pace.
I perceived that more as just the way their world is. The people you trust and know you humanize with and the rest are though of being out there to get you and whatever you have on you.
For example, when Joel and Ellie come across the two brothers the whole situation has an animalistic kill or be killed- vibe at the beginning until the other party is humanized.
The world is fucked up and humanity along with it.
That said. I can't wait for U4 and what ND has in store for us. I have complete faith in their vision.
Coolbgdog12
Member
What are you talking about?? This couldn't be further from the truth. in TLOU, Joel and others are depicted as ruthless beings who will do whatever it takes to live through the next day. Every target in TLOU, are not friendlies. It's dog eat dog world in TLOU. They're vulnerable emotional humans that have to do what needs to be done to survive. Saying there's a disconnect between TLOU's gameplay and story is imo silly. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.
Agreed the thing is going by some reviews the number of enemies defeated is still high.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Joel in TLoU is a murdering sociopat trying to survive in both the story cutscenes and gameplay sections. There is no dissonance there imo.
ScaryShark
Banned
Why would you compare a (mostly) linear action-adventure game with an open world RPG that is 3-10x's the length?
SuperEpicMan
Banned
My Amazon order says it will despatch tomorrow on the 7th, is there a chance the might despatch it tonight?
Nightengale
Member
It's not that I don't get what you're saying, but I don't believe Witcher is a good comparison.
As a whole, RPGs, even terribly written ones do the balance you talk about WAY better because interactions with world and characters non-violently is part of the gameplay.
TLOU and Uncharted at the end of the day, are action games. And action games struggle with that.
Original Man
Member
F U C K Y O U
last time i ever pre-order anything from amazon.
Officially scared, and can't cancel because of all the discounts. Damn!
mines still say shipping today today though
xenorevlis
Member
Well I'm glad you aren't the one the story of these is targeted for. Just seems like it's not your cup of tea and you love to complain / insinuate / insult jokingly when it's not 100% what you want. At least you have the multiplayer.
Honestly, the slow pacing in the beginning didn't bother me at all, as it has absolutely brilliant moments in those sequences. There are more (small) pacing issues near the end, and not with 'Left Behind' bits.
Not to mention the fact that the emotional effects of killing was brought up more than once, like when Ellie asked Joel if
he ever preyed on innocent people like the hunters
I'm in the same boat. I have a sneaking suspicion we've been bumped to the back of the line for jumping on that pricing mistake.
F U C K Y O U
last time i ever pre-order anything from amazon.
get2sammyb
Member
Ultimately, though, it's not the highest rated game of the generation so far for no reason. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but that doesn't mean it's bad.
EDIT: Not that you suggested it is bad, of course. I'm just saying. The game's obviously not beyond criticism, but the direction is spot on IMO.
ScaryShark
Banned
Based on impressions, the 'slow' opening is the thing I'm most looking forward to. I'm ultimately here for these characters at this point in their lives. I like the risk. I like the contrast with what the series is known for. I know I'm going to get my spectacle eventually.
SuperEpicMan
Banned
Just ordered it from Tesco as well, just in case. I will cancel which ever one isn't despatched first lol
Primethius
Banned
I think the criticism is sort of off base.
All you have to consider is that Nate is done with the adventuring life. The pacing is warranted by the story. And I enjoyed it tremendously because of that.
But also, there's still plenty of action in the beginning. But like a movie, you need a bit of build up before you can go crazy with the action.
I don't know, maybe it's just me. I loved the pacing. And I already miss playing the game because of it. It felt more like living through the life of Nate then just the adventuring feel of past games.
PeterLegend
Member
This is the greatest game ever and i havent even played it yet.
I know, right?
Fuck me for being excited for the single player and then being ultimately disappointed by it.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Neil is being reductive and cheeky here with his statement, but it's not as if he's not aware that he's doing story stuff that has garnered valid criticisms in terms of pacing, more grounded execution, etc.
He gets it.
F U C K Y O U
last time i ever pre-order anything from amazon.
If you got good discounts, just buy a local copy at your local bigbox and then return the amazon copy to the big box when it arrives.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Coolbgdog12
Member
Yes?
I was geeked for UC3, played it and didn't even bother to play it a second time. Very disappointing. You can't please everyone, meng.
xenorevlis
Member
I will take no part in that, but you're welcome to do things to yourself at your leisure lol. Don't mistake my comment for being an insult, AK. Hell I go into threads and share your videos, man. I just think what you were expecting and wanted just didn't make sense with respect to the developer and what they have done in the past. I'm glad Neil delivered his vision and what his team worked toward, rather than balls to the wall crass.
Firmus_Anguis
Banned
Without giving out any hints or details... How much better than the E3 presentation does it get, visually speaking? Because that was insane!
Most people are saying they're constantly floored by it, but how much does that hold true for you? And... Will my eyes pop out? Because I want them to.
Most people are saying they're constantly floored by it, but how much does that hold true for you? And... Will my eyes pop out? Because I want them to.
Jigolo
Member
Yeah I'm just gonna go ahead and cancel it. I pre ordered due to the price mistake and the price turned out to be $46. GCU is around $51 in SoFla so I don't think waiting for the amazon copy and then returning is worth the hassle.
Do any of the Special Editions come with the triple pack DLC?
Do any of the Special Editions come with the triple pack DLC?
Summer Haze
Banned
Can the HUD be completely turned off in this game?
DrunkShogun
Member
Neil is being reductive and cheeky here with his statement, but it's not as if he's not aware that he's doing story stuff that has garnered valid criticisms in terms of pacing, more grounded execution, etc.
This is what I like to hear. Games that are too tailored for the man end up losing some of the creativity. Will be giving the game a spin in August time but seems I will be satisfied when I do play it.
This is probably my rating, for the each title, at time of release:
UC1: 8.0/10
UC2: 9.5/10
UC3: 8.5/10 (controller lag at the time... in remaster version i would give it 9/10)
TLOU: 10/10
UC4: 10/10
gundamkyoukai
Member
Yep .
You can say that about UC maybe but TLOU is whole other story .
There is no disconnect between TLOU's gameplay and story .
Which is why we don't see people complain about it like UC .
Primethius
Banned
My personal ratings since I've slept on the same now.
UC1: 7/10
UC2: 10/10
UC3: 8.5-9/10
UC4: 10/10
UC2 and UC4 are both great but also really different. Both fit really well within their placements in Nates life.
UC4 is still tied with TLOU for me. ND has just really stepped it up. Looking forward to TLOU2 and their new IP.
UC1: 7/10
UC2: 10/10
UC3: 8.5-9/10
UC4: 10/10
UC2 and UC4 are both great but also really different. Both fit really well within their placements in Nates life.
UC4 is still tied with TLOU for me. ND has just really stepped it up. Looking forward to TLOU2 and their new IP.
I think it's a testament to their success that the most readily available criticism is that the opening pacing is slow to some people. I don't think I've ever heard something so specific and so subjective used so often.
I mean, in bad games we can point to lots more than just one specific section as being the main point of contention. Here it's like we have to deconstruct the opening to find a flaw, and even then it's so subjective to be utterly worthless. It's like the uncanny valley of game criticism. The closer a game comes to universal acclaim, the more small issues are in the spotlight.