Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream

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I was starting to get excited to see what they had for e3 but this isn't a big deal. e3 is so overrated in my perspective. it's good for giving b-tier games an instant 100k viewers. those don't even translate well into sales. Nintendo can make a major announcement any day of the week and have it go viral.
 
EatChildren said:
I don't think telling investors the NX won't be present at E3 is wise if the opposite is true. They might say nothing, but when money is concerned if Nintendo says it's not there, it's not there.

I'd say the entire situation is just a perfect storm for Nintendo. In the negative sense, or at least when it comes to preparation. The Wii U failure would have forced their hand to move into new technology, and transfer over software, very quickly. A lot of scrambling, so issues there alongside the typical teething every company goes through during a hardware transition. Nintendo's hand has been forced, in that respect, and I'm guessing earlier than they would have hoped. Iwata croaking would have left a huge dint too, no matter how prepared he was (and I'm guessing his preparations were incredibly thorough), as losing a very hands-on CEO during a transition can't avoid an upset in efficiency.

I feel Nintendo probably wants to make the NX reveal right. Hit the hardest they can. They can't predict how it will go down, and the Wii U would have been perceived as a far weaker impact than desired. And dumb mistakes made with the Wii U have probably (hopefully) settled in. You can't half bake the reveal, especially if it's due early next year. Thus any lull in software development and hardware stability, from new titles looking and playing their best, to transitioning in-development Wii U games to a presentable format on the NX, are going to leave a negative impression if they shown too early or absent from a scheduled reveal. Whether or not Nintendo is having issues on the hardware and software front is impossible to know (and it's entirely possible that they are having issues), but there's valid reasons with either answer for delaying the entire reveal until an exclusive event later in the year. An event where the hardware can be shown off in full, and a proper software showcase can sell the product for a release only a handful of months later.

Plus Nintendo isn't the only major distributor who doesn't really give a fuck about E3 these days. Yes, all eyes are on E3. But in a modern connected world it's hard to give a fuck in the grand scheme of things. E3 is in some ways a bit redundant, and if a company has the money, showmanship, and product, huge reveals that leave a big impact on potential customers can be done entirely at another time. Rockstar don't care. Bethesda generally don't care. Sony has done similar. Microsoft too. Yes, people will whine and moan that Nintendo gave up, lost E3, or whatever else. But all of that will be forgotten and rendered meaningless in an instant should an exclusive event later this year blow socks off. Hypothetically, an October or November event comes along, huge exclusive press event, and the NX looks fantastic with an extremely impressive showcase of software, you can guarantee it'll be all over websites, tech mags, and so on and nobody will be going "oh but they weren't at E3 remember that so the NX actually sucks and nintendo is doomed".

Worry when/if the end-of-year event gets delayed into 2017, or it's a stinker when the time comes.
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Pretty much the logical/sensible conclusion that most logical/sensible folk have come to. But sometimes it's like pissing into the wind in here as i see the same old "lol Nintendo fucked up" or "dooooomed" posts even this late in the thread.

They didn't stumble into April and think "...oh fuck we aren't ready to show it at e3....there's no games ready! Ummmmm, delay it till, like, 2017 or some shit. Phew that was close". As hard is it might be to believe for some, Nintendo are an actual company with actual board members making real long term decisions based on vast experience and actual business acumen.
 
The_Lump said:
Pretty much the logical/sensible conclusion that most logical/sensible folk have come to. But sometimes it's like pissing into the wind in here as i see the same old "lol Nintendo fucked up" or "dooooomed" posts even this late in the thread.

They didn't stumble into April and think "...oh fuck we aren't ready to show it at e3....there's no games ready! Ummmmm, delay it till, like, 2017 or some shit. Phew that was close". As hard is it might be to believe for some, Nintendo are an actual company with actual board members making real long term decisions based on vast experience and actual business acumen.
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Absolute best case scenario is that they announce the date of the reveal at E3 (or we get massive leaks out of developers they meet with at E3)
 
Dark Cloud said:
It feels like they're setting up for a big event. Also, it would be crazy to wait until December. October to December makes no sense. July to September makes the most sense.
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September is my best bet. 6 months by then till the release of NX in March. Ideal timing to show the console, the concept, the games, etc. But this is Nintendo so always expect the unexpected (wich lately, has been in a bad way...)
 
AdanVC said:
September is my best bet. 6 months by then till the release of NX in March. Ideal timing to show the console, the concept, the games, etc. But this is Nintendo so always expect the unexpected (wich lately, has been in a bad way...)
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They also had that September event for the Wii U in New York.
While I don't think it's a sure thing, I'd also say that month is the likeliest scenario.
 
Darryl said:
I was starting to get excited to see what they had for e3 but this isn't a big deal. e3 is so overrated in my perspective. it's good for giving b-tier games an instant 100k viewers. those don't even translate well into sales. Nintendo can make a major announcement any day of the week and have it go viral.
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tell it to Sony if e3 is overrated, most of the traction the ps4 got online was thanks to their e3 press conference
 
MuchoMalo said:
The reason that this is happening is because they think that Wii U flopped due to sending the wrong message from the start, ant they feel that, ultimately, a lackluster or incomplete reveal will hurt them more than this.

Unfortunately, the real mistake was talking about it last year. They were screwed from the second that happened. Expectations are too high again due to too much time allowed for speculation, so it's going to be disappointment. There's nothing they can do to prevent that at this point, other than exceeding general expectations. Sony and MS have raised/will raise those expectations with their new hardware, though, so unless Nintendo planned ahead to compete with those there's nothing they can do to make the reveal perfect.

However, none of those mistakes are really affected by E3 itself other than the fact that the existence of E3 has hurt them.
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True, i never thought of that but makes alot of sense, Nintendo revealed the NX far too soon to calm down gamers but instead just made angry fanboys. with lots of weird speculation.
they should have talked about it later,, or just say they were making game hardware as usual.
 
Damn, they don't even have third party or indie games they want to give a platform to?

At least it gives them am extra... small amount of resources to put into development?

Idk, trying to see the bright side.
 
MuchoMalo said:
The reason that this is happening is because they think that Wii U flopped due to sending the wrong message from the start, ant they feel that, ultimately, a lackluster or incomplete reveal will hurt them more than this.

Unfortunately, the real mistake was talking about it last year. They were screwed from the second that happened. Expectations are too high again due to too much time allowed for speculation, so it's going to be disappointment. There's nothing they can do to prevent that at this point, other than exceeding general expectations. Sony and MS have raised/will raise those expectations with their new hardware, though, so unless Nintendo planned ahead to compete with those there's nothing they can do to make the reveal perfect.

However, none of those mistakes are really affected by E3 itself other than the fact that the existence of E3 has hurt them.
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No, that can't be the only reason. It's like I was saying before; they've had a long time to get the messaging down, and if the delay itself was due to those AMD mix-up rumors, that doesn't actually affect software or the messaging whatsoever.

I agree insofar as that the rumors got started up too soon, but part of the reason that happened was b/c the Wii U itself was having its worst year (in sales) in 2015. That's completely aside from NX, but it forced people to start looking at Nintendo's future because the present certainly isn't pleasant w/ dismal Wii U sales and 3DS dropping off steadily. If anything Nintendo should've been ready for people to start digging into NX earlier than usual because of that.

Even without the presence of E3, just waiting until September/October or whatever for their own event wouldn't have the impact others think it will have. Sony and Microsoft would just hold their own events in lieu of it either around that time or a bit closer to the Fall themselves, or just use Gamescon or whatever other event. Same with 3rd parties. So it's not like the absence of E3 suddenly creates this vacuum for Nintendo to do their own thing with no competition from others for attention.

In fact, no E3 arguably makes things worst for them by virtue they have more to push out there than the others; this is a whole new console that has to communicate itself perfectly AND get the games out there too, and that'd be better served over a longer period of time than a small crunch period before release. Which is why I'm still of the opinion skipping E3 for any NX-related stuff is just a big mistake; it's one less event/opportunity to get word out there, and condenses all of their time to get the message out there into a smaller time period, which means they actually increase the risk for confusion among everybody.

Just look at it this way: if they skip E3 (and realistically, skip Gamescon; what difference would a month or two make?), and hold an event closer to September or October, people are still going to focus more on PS4K, PSVR, and XBO-2 simply because at least two of those would actually be coming out around that same time (and, yes, I think people people are underestimating the impact PS4K will have. Especially if they have software that shows off its potential that'll be there Day 1). Then for the holidays people'll be more focused on what they can play right then and now vs. what may come out in March. Which then leaves Nintendo with, what, 3 months of solid uncontested time to hype up it's release? Isn't that pushing it?

Darryl said:
I was starting to get excited to see what they had for e3 but this isn't a big deal. e3 is so overrated in my perspective. it's good for giving b-tier games an instant 100k viewers. those don't even translate well into sales. Nintendo can make a major announcement any day of the week and have it go viral.
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Going viral isn't the same thing as sustained hype. It's pretty easy to go viral actually; sustaining that attention is the hard part. A console needs proper time to build out its hype in waves, and the PS4 did that perfectly. We actually got substance regarding PS4 quite earlier than that Feb reveal too, as a good chunk of the rumors turned out to be true.

Which is another thing about the NX speculation that's a downer; we still don't know anything of substance yet. Not even one little iota. At some point you just get burned out on speculation about rumors you know aren't true. It's almost like fan-fiction.

The_Lump said:
Pretty much the logical/sensible conclusion that most logical/sensible folk have come to. But sometimes it's like pissing into the wind in here as i see the same old "lol Nintendo fucked up" or "dooooomed" posts even this late in the thread.

They didn't stumble into April and think "...oh fuck we aren't ready to show it at e3....there's no games ready! Ummmmm, delay it till, like, 2017 or some shit. Phew that was close". As hard is it might be to believe for some, Nintendo are an actual company with actual board members making real long term decisions based on vast experience and actual business acumen.
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Okay, so how have they not fucked this up? How do they not have games ready to show when they should have been in development for a good while already? The delay for the system itself isn't even the big issue anymore, it's how they're handling the messaging and building genuine hype for the product.

Whatever logic the suits are using, is good for some things, and bad for others. And at this point, this "bunker mode/hermit seclusion" deal regarding NX, in a year where the Wii U is pretty much a ghost and 3DS will be even less in yearly sales compared to last, isn't doing the NX any favors.

Thems the facts.
 
I'm surprised they're not at least having a direct for the 3rd parties/indie devs. Surely they would like to be showcased? Unless there's no 3rd party software worth showing off either.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
No, that can't be the only reason. It's like I was saying before; they've had a long time to get the messaging down, and if the delay itself was due to those AMD mix-up rumors, that doesn't actually affect software or the messaging whatsoever.

I agree insofar as that the rumors got started up too soon, but part of the reason that happened was b/c the Wii U itself was having its worst year (in sales) in 2015. That's completely aside from NX, but it forced people to start looking at Nintendo's future because the present certainly isn't pleasant w/ dismal Wii U sales and 3DS dropping off steadily. If anything Nintendo should've been ready for people to start digging into NX earlier than usual because of that.

Even without the presence of E3, just waiting until September/October or whatever for their own event wouldn't have the impact others think it will have. Sony and Microsoft would just hold their own events in lieu of it either around that time or a bit closer to the Fall themselves, or just use Gamescon or whatever other event. Same with 3rd parties. So it's not like the absence of E3 suddenly creates this vacuum for Nintendo to do their own thing with no competition from others for attention.

In fact, no E3 arguably makes things worst for them by virtue they have more to push out there than the others; this is a whole new console that has to communicate itself perfectly AND get the games out there too, and that'd be better served over a longer period of time than a small crunch period before release. Which is why I'm still of the opinion skipping E3 for any NX-related stuff is just a big mistake; it's one less event/opportunity to get word out there, and condenses all of their time to get the message out there into a smaller time period, which means they actually increase the risk for confusion among everybody.

Just look at it this way: if they skip E3 (and realistically, skip Gamescon; what difference would a month or two make?), and hold an event closer to September or October, people are still going to focus more on PS4K, PSVR, and XBO-2 simply because at least two of those would actually be coming out around that same time (and, yes, I think people people are underestimating the impact PS4K will have. Especially if they have software that shows off its potential that'll be there Day 1). Then for the holidays people'll be more focused on what they can play right then and now vs. what may come out in March. Which then leaves Nintendo with, what, 3 months of solid uncontested time to hype up it's release? Isn't that pushing it?
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E3 is too late following this logic anyway, and the only way to really avoid those products is to launch before they're even announced. If NX isn't exciting enough to draw attention when people have those products in their minds, it makes pretty much no difference when it's announced. People aren't going to just forget about them after they're released, after all. If NX can't stand out next to them, it can't stand out at all. I do agree that they should announce it earlier to reduce the risk of being overshadowed, but an inferior product is going to be overshadowed no matter what, and people are going to focus on more immediate products no matter what. Also, I never said anything about E3 not existing creating any sort of opening for Nintendo. My point was that it could be announced on their own terms in a place and time of their choosing, meaning that nothing is rushed and there's less of a chance that they'll announce games just for them to be canceled. For all we know, Nintendo drastically reduced the specs of NX again like they did with Wii U, causing a bunch of third-parites to withdraw games and several games to be redone. Hell, even the delay itself may have caused some games to get canned. What looks worse in the long run: not being at E3, or getting people hyped for games that get canceled a month or two later? That's not the easiest question to answer, imo.

Hale-XF11 said:
I'm surprised they're not at least having a direct for the 3rd parties/indie devs. Surely they would like to be showcased? Unless there's no 3rd party software worth showing off either.
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They just had a video for that.
 
I was mad when I first heard that the nx wasn't going to be shown at E3. But now they announce just Zelda stream? Wtf nintendo. I guess I'll be waiting for pokémon sun and moon info then.
 
Hale-XF11 said:
I'm surprised they're not at least having a direct for the 3rd parties/indie devs. Surely they would like to be showcased? Unless there's no 3rd party software worth showing off either.
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Knock yourself out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PtNr2U6cA0

Subtervotion said:
I was mad when I first heard that the nx wasn't going to be shown at E3. But now they announce just Zelda stream? Wtf nintendo. I guess I'll be waiting for pokémon sun and moon info then.
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Faint yourself out:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1215405
..unless this is what you meant.
 
MuchoMalo said:
For all we know, Nintendo drastically reduced the specs of NX again like they did with Wii U, causing a bunch of third-parites to withdraw games and several games to be redone. Hell, even the delay itself may have caused some games to get canned. What looks worse in the long run: not being at E3, or getting people hyped for games that get canceled a month or two later? That's not the easiest question to answer, imo.
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None of this is likely to have happened. Not enough time in this sequence of events.
 
jhmtehgamr20xx said:
Even without the presence of E3, just waiting until September/October or whatever for their own event wouldn't have the impact others think it will have. Sony and Microsoft would just hold their own events in lieu of it either around that time or a bit closer to the Fall themselves, or just use Gamescon or whatever other event. Same with 3rd parties. So it's not like the absence of E3 suddenly creates this vacuum for Nintendo to do their own thing with no competition from others for attention.

In fact, no E3 arguably makes things worst for them by virtue they have more to push out there than the others; this is a whole new console that has to communicate itself perfectly AND get the games out there too, and that'd be better served over a longer period of time than a small crunch period before release. Which is why I'm still of the opinion skipping E3 for any NX-related stuff is just a big mistake; it's one less event/opportunity to get word out there, and condenses all of their time to get the message out there into a smaller time period, which means they actually increase the risk for confusion among everybody.

Just look at it this way: if they skip E3 (and realistically, skip Gamescon; what difference would a month or two make?), and hold an event closer to September or October, people are still going to focus more on PS4K, PSVR, and XBO-2 simply because at least two of those would actually be coming out around that same time (and, yes, I think people people are underestimating the impact PS4K will have. Especially if they have software that shows off its potential that'll be there Day 1). Then for the holidays people'll be more focused on what they can play right then and now vs. what may come out in March. Which then leaves Nintendo with, what, 3 months of solid uncontested time to hype up it's release? Isn't that pushing it?

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My Gut feeling is that they will reveal this at Gamescom and TGS. A double blow out. This is going to read as really optimistic but i think there are genuine reasons why they could do so.

I think the main reason being is that it allows consumers to get hands on with it. E3 has never allowed consumers into the show (aside from last year, but even then it was minimal numbers).

The Wii U on reveal suffered from two things. 1) a piss poor communication about what the WII U is from Nintendo themselves ( personally i never felt that way, but i can understand why others did). 2) A press butchering that began before hand, during and after.

Gamescom/TGS allows them to do what E3 does, but also allows everyday people hands on with it, which should ideally, if the gimmick is interesting enough, a fair chance. It allows Nintendo to get there message across more easily (although you can argue they should be able to do this without hands on), but also can get game enthusiasts optimistic about the gimmick/new console. Good word of mouth. Excitement. Hype.

I think the biggest problem with the Wii U though out its existence is the frequent initial 'what the duck' reactions from fans. The Wii U suffered from it, most of its games suffered from it (Mario being the biggest example). Reggie even highlighted it in several interviews. Once people get hands on with their products they enjoy them.

At E3 they have tried to bring across that user experience; a) through treehouse which acts as an extended game preview and b) Best buy experiences, getting the games they show as playable to the general consumer.

So personally i think they would like to get people hands on with it.

Thats quite a wildly optimistic, but fair look on the situation. But it does leave them not even incredibly short, it is embarrassingly short line up for E3. And the event does matter. Personally i can't understand why they can't have a direct this week, next week show of what is left to come this year, and make them all playable at E3.
 
Darryl said:
I was starting to get excited to see what they had for e3 but this isn't a big deal. e3 is so overrated in my perspective. it's good for giving b-tier games an instant 100k viewers. those don't even translate well into sales. Nintendo can make a major announcement any day of the week and have it go viral.
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Nintendo has never been less popular. They need all the exposure they can get. I would watch them do an E3 presser but I have never watched a Treehouse or Nintendo Direct and I probably never will. Nintendo continues to show they have no interest getting back their fans that they've lost. Either Nintendo doesn't have anything to show for E3 or they are clueless. Maybe it's a bit of both...
 
I think they wee going to show the hardware at E3 until they started hearing about Neo and Xbox 1.5.

They are now waiting for someone else to tip their hand before delivering a very controlled counter message with their hardware reveal.

I think we'll see the NX reveal by the end of the summer.
 
Vena said:
Which was known by third parties much sooner.
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You don't know that. The disgruntled employees might have leaked it right after it happened. From what we've heard, most, if not all western third-parties didn't even get kits until February, March, or even April.

Peltz said:
I think they wee going to show the hardware at E3 until they started hearing about Neo and Xbox 1.5.

They are now waiting for someone else to tip their hand before delivering a very controlled counter message with their hardware reveal.

I think we'll see the NX reveal by the end of the summer.
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NX most likely isn't even as powerful as PS4, so it definitely can't counter them.
 
Nintendo E3 |OT| No Direct, Zelda only, Final destination

MuchoMalo said:
NX most likely isn't even as powerful as PS4, so it definitely can't counter them.
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Rumors says otherwise, and I don't think is that unlikely, PS4 and Xbox One components aren't exactly at the top, not even 2 years ago when they were released.
 
All rumors point to the opposite of Malo's statement, and he continues to repeat it with no basis.

MuchoMalo said:
You don't know that. The disgruntled employees might have leaked it right after it happened. From what we've heard, most, if not all western third-parties didn't even get kits until February, March, or even April.
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No, we haven't heard this, actually.
 
Peltz said:
I think they wee going to show the hardware at E3 until they started hearing about Neo and Xbox 1.5.
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That's my guess too.
I mean they have quite a big floor space at E3, don't they? Why would they need that for just Treehouse Zelda demos? Doesn't make any sense. And that's all the proof you need imo. They probably had plans for a full NX unveil but they had to scrap the plans when they found out about SONY's and Microsofts's upgrade plans, and now they're either making last minute changes to the system or trying to find a better way to show the public why NX is something to reckon with.
 
AdanVC said:
September is my best bet. 6 months by then till the release of NX in March. Ideal timing to show the console, the concept, the games, etc. But this is Nintendo so always expect the unexpected (wich lately, has been in a bad way...)
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If they go the same route as Sony and Microsoft with their own events, The official PR statement about Nintendo's should be available at least one month prior to the event to start hyping the imminent launch, making an August/late July announcement very likely.
 
Fredrik said:
That's my guess too.
I mean they have quite a big floor space at E3, don't they? Why would they need that for just Treehouse Zelda demos? Doesn't make any sense. And that's all the proof you need imo. They probably had plans for a full NX unveil but they had to scrap the plans when they found out about SONY's and Microsofts's upgrade plans, and now they're either making last minute changes to the system or trying to find a better way to show the public why NX is something to reckon with.
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They "need" the floor space because they can hold on to it indefinitely as long as they don't give it up. It's not reset every year. Even if they don't have anything to show this year, they may have need of teh full space next year.
 
MuchoMalo said:
NX most likely isn't even as powerful as PS4, so it definitely can't counter them.
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I'm not sure of what they want to do with the NX, and how that would impact their hardware choices. It could literally be anything at this point. But going for the only thing we can discuss atm (rumors), where are you getting that "most likely" from?
 
Joelstinton14 said:
I think the biggest problem with the Wii U though out its existence is the frequent initial 'what the duck' reactions from fans. The Wii U suffered from it, most of its games suffered from it (Mario being the biggest example). Reggie even highlighted it in several interviews. Once people get hands on with their products they enjoy them.
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How about making experiences people actually want and asked for.

That's one of their biggest failures, they aren't listening to fans at all and use every opportunity they can get to piss off even their greatest fans. It's not the people who are wrong, its Nintendos horrible communication.
 
Joelstinton14 said:
I think the biggest problem with the Wii U though out its existence is the frequent initial 'what the duck' reactions from fans. The Wii U suffered from it, most of its games suffered from it (Mario being the biggest example). Reggie even highlighted it in several interviews. Once people get hands on with their products they enjoy them.

At E3 they have tried to bring across that user experience; a) through treehouse which acts as an extended game preview and b) Best buy experiences, getting the games they show as playable to the general consumer.

So personally i think they would like to get people hands on with it.

Thats quite a wildly optimistic, but fair look on the situation. But it does leave them not even incredibly short, it is embarrassingly short line up for E3. And the event does matter. Personally i can't understand why they can't have a direct this week, next week show of what is left to come this year, and make them all playable at E3.
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I agree with this. I have a feeling Nintendo hasn't cared about E3 ever since Journalists proclaimed Xbox 360 footage looked worse than 360 graphics and that Wii U was somehow an add on. That year, Directs started and Nintendo's never looked back. This will mark the fourth year that Nintendo's avoided the E3 stage.

Skipping E3 wouldn't be viewed anywhere near as negatively if they'd announced a Direct at the same time. I've seen a lot of disillusioned hardcore Nintendo fans lately. The problem is post-Iwata, the gaps between Directs have been much bigger. Fans are incredibly thirsty for news and Kimishima desperately needs to up his game in order to keep people informed, hyped and engaged. The extended periods of radio silence are incredibly frustrating.
 
They don't have anything to show apart from Zelda. The WiiU is completely dead and NX is not ready yet, so there's no point in having a lame digital event that is going to piss off everyone.
 
So with no digital event and presumably no other WiiU games or even 3DS games whatsoever are we still getting the Mother 3 announcement? By this time last year Nintendo had announced the NWC 2015 didn't they? We're not getting that this year either it seems.
 
serious question about Nintendo-

could they be building up a 'comeback' narrative on purpose? Hold back a lot, and release the NX with Zelda AND an actual Mario sequel or more? Could they be smart enough to actually plan it that way to get immensely positive word of mouth? It seems like they are aware they need to start strong, and I think these days you need more than a few good games to do it. You need people to root for you in a big way.

Think about how the momentum PS4 got after the very clever/simple twist Sony did in reaction to the Xbox press conference that basically set them off to gain a huge lead over Xbox.

Looking at how the Wii U was handled though (even gamers were confused wtf it was and most people thought it was a $300 gamepad and not a new system) it makes me wonder if they are even capable to be this clever.

Well whatever they have planned I hope it is more than just 'lets just get Zelda on the NX launch... that'll definitely make it sell!', combined with the 'good... but not worth full price' games they have on Wii U.
 
BarringGaffner said:
serious question about Nintendo-

could they be building up a 'comeback' narrative on purpose? Hold back a lot, and release the NX with Zelda AND an actual Mario sequel or more? Could they be smart enough to actually plan it that way to get immensely positive word of mouth? It seems like they are aware they need to start strong, and I think these days you need more than a few good games to do it. You need people to root for you in a big way.

Think about how the momentum PS4 got after the very clever/simple twist Sony did in reaction to the Xbox press conference that basically set them off to gain a huge lead over Xbox.

Looking at how the Wii U was handled though (even gamers were confused wtf it was and most people thought it was a $300 gamepad and not a new system) it makes me wonder if they are even capable to be this clever.

Well whatever they have planned I hope it is more than just 'lets just get Zelda on the NX launch... that'll definitely make it sell!', combined with the 'good... but not worth full price' games they have on Wii U.
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Too little too late at this point. PS4 Neo and the upgraded Xbox One will be out this year along side the VR revolution, no one will be buying the NX God knows when in 2017.

2016 was Nintendo's only chance of getting any sort of meaningful user base.
 
I really think the only way this whole plan has any chance of turning out well is if the NX is primarily portable based - as in, even the console unit if just a souped up portable.

The system will be coming too late against the PS4 and XOne, at a time where any 3rd party ports would be coming months after the launches of the original versions. So, they pretty much have no way to compete if they go in that direction. And then there's how developing for a PS4 level system and eventually a PSVita+ level handheld would just slow down their output to a crawl (like usual).

Unifying their software line up is their only chance of giving decent support to both future console and handheld. It'd also explain why they don't want to reveal the NX yet, since the NX reveal won't kill the moribund Wii U, it'll also hit their only biggest profit source right now, the 3ds. So, the further they can delay it and keep the 3ds active, the better for their immediate numbers. The NX being portable centered would also explain why they aren't hesitating to reveal the Wii U version of the new Zelda before the NX version - the NX version could end up looking the same or likely worse.
 
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Nintendo needs a Direct ASAP
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VGC: Nintendo Direct planned for mid September 2025
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Nintendo's Switch 2 Treehouse Livestream Is Just a Flood of Angry Comments Shouting "DROP the PRICE"
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How would you rate the Sept 12 2025 Nintendo Direct?
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