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Western Localisation Of Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Features Costume And Age Changes

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Are you guys trying to say that having that shading there was not suggestive? Because if the point is editing out suggestive material, then it makes perfect sense to do this edit.

I'm not calling it a dealbreaker mind you, but it's hardly bizarre.

Your deal is coming into these discussions and defending every localization change imaginable, even when they're obviously silly.

"Suggestive"? Hello, we are talking about Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE. Look at her idol outfit. Her loose hot pants are suggestive, should they transform them into jeans? She's also showing off her shoulders; that's pretty suggestive.

Maiko's design is too suggestive, too. They should hide her cleavage and give her a longer skirt.
 
It doesn't even make sense.

Camilla (Fates) put this girl to shame in terms of what she shows and how she shows it off. She wasn't touched and her dialogue is are raunchy as can get with Corrin before she takes the series into M-rated territory.

I do not understand. I cannot comprehend.

Was this game given to some other group in Treehouse... one that, perhaps, lives in a Bastille?

You mean this?
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Yeah, Nintendo has been consistent alright. You want to call me out on cherry picking, Nintendo are the gods of cherry picking what they want to change.

I'm glad they didn't change this....or this...

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But in comparison, the edit to female Corrin in smash is stupid.

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Your deal is coming into these discussions and defending every localization change imaginable, even when they're obviously silly.

"Suggestive"? Hello, we are talking about Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE. Look at her idol outfit. Her loose hot pants are suggestive, should they transform them into jeans? She's also showing off her shoulders; that's pretty suggestive.

Maiko's design is too suggestive, too. They should hide her cleavage and give her a longer skirt.

More like full on hijab. The female form and anatomy is too suggestive for human eyes to behold and handle.
 
More like full on hijab. The female form and anatomy is too suggestive for human eyes to behold and handle.

Just delete the girls altogether. Just have their voices in during their scenes but nothing on the screen. Just a big blank where they are supposed to be. I need to be protected!

Seriously though, game as long lost my sale (hell, I'm selling the system). It's just interesting to see how far down the rabbit hole they are going with this.
 
Oh, you get to decide what that is?
Unless you mean to suggest laughably minor aspects of basic human anatomy are so alien to the dozens of cultures this version will be released in the product would be unpalatable otherwise, this has nothing to do with localisation. It's mere prudishness, not the act of making this game understandable to customers.
 
Are you guys trying to say that having that shading there was not suggestive? Because if the point is editing out suggestive material, then it makes perfect sense to do this edit.

I'm not calling it a dealbreaker mind you, but it's hardly bizarre.
You know, your avatar's kind of suggestive. A kid could click on NeoGAF at any time. You should use a localized version instead.

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Your deal is coming into these discussions and defending every localization change imaginable, even when they're obviously silly.

No. I am not defending this change, I am pointing out that it makes sense because the flurry of posts expressing confusion or considering it unusual after what has already been done with this game is something that I found silly.

EDIT: Also that Smash Bros edit up there seems silly to me too.

"Suggestive"? Hello, we are talking about Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE.

So just because the character is an idol, that means that showing off more of her body is not suggestive? That's nonsense and I'm pretty sure you know it. Is it JUSTIFIED within the game? Yes. I will admit that. But yeah, we're talking about #FE, a game that we have seen multiple examples of suggestive content being toned down in. So acting like another one popping up is unusual makes no sense.

You know, your avatar's kind of suggestive. A kid could click on NeoGAF at any time. You should use a localized version instead.

What the fuck are you even saying?

Unless you mean to suggest laughably minor aspects of basic human anatomy are so alien to the dozens of cultures this version will be released in the product would be unpalatable otherwise, this has nothing to do with localisation. It's mere prudishness, not the act of making this game understandable to customers.

Nope, I didn't say it was necessary. I'm saying it makes sense with the other changes that have been made and that it may make the game more palatable for some people. It may not, also!
 
I'm not a fan of sexual fanservice in RPGs. This should come as no surprise to anyone who has followed the development of our games and is self-evident in the female character designs of Cosmic Star Heroine (modest attire for all).

Now as far as Tokyo Mirage Session goes, this is my overall stance.

1) There are many different responses to what Nintendo is doing here. Some people dislike it because they like sexual fanservice in games, some people dislike it because they think it's censorship, some people think it's minor and don't really care, and some people are in favor of it because they're not a fan of sexual fanservice. The idea that the potential fanbase are unified in their opinion on this action is not true as is obvious by all the arguments in this thread.

2) I feel what Nintendo is doing here is consistent with their actions in the past. There's no slippery slope - Nintendo of America has long had a strict policy of editing their games when it comes to underage sexualization. Their editing of TMS should come as no surprise to anyone. And no other company is following Nintendo's action except in instance where edits are necessary to avoid an AO rating.

3) I feel what editing is being done is minor. Some image changes & the removal of paid DLC with no gameplay content (just outfits & a handful of non-interactive short conversations).

4) I don't feel that editing TMS will have any noticeable effect on sales. TMS is a unique game - it's a turn-based RPG with a decent budget on a console (rare these days), it's one of only a handful of major Wii U releases this year, it's an Atlus RPG that isn't a direct sequel or remake, and the subject matter (Japanese entertainment industry) is unusual. In short, there are few direct substitute goods for this game. The vast majority of people who were planning on buying the game are unlikely to change their mind due to the changes. Most people here who are saying they aren't going to buy this game because of these changes were on the fence to begin with.

5) If the edits have any effect on sales, they will have a positive effect. Other Nintendo games have had edits and sold well (the Fire Emblem & Xenoblade series being two obvious examples). The audience for "Good RPGs" is bigger than the audience for "Games with sexualized fanservice." In general, I feel that people underestimate how popular RPGs & JRPGs are in general. With TMS, it may seem super niche at first, but it's easy to see how Nintendo could think that a collaboration between series that have become much more popular lately (Fire Emblem & SMT/Persona) could result in something successful.

6) Nintendo doesn't care about niches with niches. They're a huge company and they don't care about small successes, not with their retail games (saving that for cheap experimental digital-only games). Even if the edits DID hurt their status with the hardest of the hardcore (which I don't think it will to any noticeable effect), they don't particular care. They want to sell to the general JRPG fandom, not hardcore American otakus (even if Nintendo of Japan has no problem targeting the Japanese otaku demographic).

7) Conversely, Nintendo of America's main demographic is children & the parents of those children. Although they'll occasionally take a chance with a hard M-game that is obviously for adults, for the most part, they want to preserve their image. The West is particular harsh about the sexualization of underage individuals and so they don't want to take unnecessary chances.

I have no problem with people disagreeing with my stance, but when people make comments like "Nintendo has alienated the only people who would buy this game and their actions have guaranteed a bomb" I feel that they're being solipsistic and not seeing the bigger picture of Nintendo strategy. Nintendo's actions are primarily 1) to protect their image and 2) to increase the possibility that the game will be a more mainstream success (emphasis on MORE - nobody's expecting a Mario Kart or even a Splatoon out of TMS).

Nice post! Pretty much what I feel but written much more better than I ever could.
 
You know, your avatar's kind of suggestive. A kid could click on NeoGAF at any time. You should use a localized version instead.

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lmao

And the sad fact is, they actually did exactly that! That was the first hint of #FE censorship we saw: Tsubasa's cleavage getting altered like that.
What the fuck are you even saying?
Your avatar has cleavage, which is disgusting and I can't comprehend it.
 
No. I am not defending this change, I am pointing out that it makes sense because the flurry of posts expressing confusion or considering it unusual after what has already been done with this game is something that I found silly.

No, I'm pretty sure removal of pelvic shading is the most absurd change we've seen yet.

So just because the character is an idol, that means that showing off more of her body is not suggestive? That's nonsense and I'm pretty sure you know it. Is it JUSTIFIED within the game? Yes. I will admit that. But yeah, we're talking about #FE, a game that we have seen multiple examples of suggestive content being toned down in. So acting like another one popping up is unusual makes no sense.

Bingo. I never said anything about it not being suggestive because she's an idol, but that this ENTIRE game has been set up this way since they first promoted it. The very first trailer shown WW had Tsubasa spinning into a swimsuit out of context.

Ignoring the fact that these changes probably means they didn't even need to age up the characters, a lot of the game was focused on this kind of "suggestive" flair and, not only will they not hit all of what makes this game "suggestive" (one boss has smoke hiding her boobs in a cutscene; smoke is gone in the in-game battle), but they're backtracking when it's too late. Nothing they do now will change the perception of how this game has been shown off this whole time, and none of the minor changes they are doing will affect anyone who was hesitating to get this game.
 
Nope, I didn't say it was necessary. I'm saying it makes sense with the other changes that have been made and that it may make the game more palatable for some people. It may not, also!
Then they don't count as localisation, sorry. I understand localisation isn't just translation, but this isn't something like region specific symbols being altered like back when Left 4 Dead had its hand on the cover changed because the V sign is offensive in the UK. This is "No, it's sexy. Get rid of it."
 
lmao

And the sad fact is, they actually did exactly that! That was the first hint of #FE censorship we saw: Tsubasa's cleavage getting altered like that.

Your avatar has cleavage, which is disgusting and I can't comprehend it.

You people are so single minded. My avatar having cleavage should clearly demonstrate that I don't think people can't handle it. Nor does my understanding of and ACCEPTANCE of (not advocacy for) the changes made to this game mean that I am some kind of puritan prude. You folks need to get over yourselves with the defensiveness and accusations already, it's pretty ridiculous. I've said before that I was interested in this game either way. Hell, I'm a lot more excited for Atelier Sophie next month and that game has this, presumably intact:


I've even played straight up porn games too without complaint, some for gameplay, some for titillation. So please, knock that shit off already. It just reflects poorly on yourselves.
 
Kaiterra why would you post a picture like that? My eyes.

Oh, so they gave her a weird sports bra. I thought it was a shirt at first.
Anyone else seeing the inconsistencies with the other girl's outift in that same video? Like, why spare that one? I would love to hear about their localization policies sometime.

Pretty much. It's been censored (yup, censored) to the point where it looks like Tsubasa is imagining herself with bigger boobs now in that song and world.
 
You people are so single minded. My avatar having cleavage should clearly demonstrate that I don't think people can't handle it. Nor does my understanding of and ACCEPTANCE of (not advocacy for) the changes made to this game mean that I am some kind of puritan prude. You folks need to get over yourselves with the defensiveness and accusations already, it's pretty ridiculous. I've said before that I was interested in this game either way. Hell, I'm a lot more excited for Atelier Sophie next month and that game has this, presumably intact:

I've even played straight up porn games too without complaint, some for gameplay, some for titillation. So please, knock that shit off already. It just reflects poorly on yourselves.
You don't need to get defensive. It was just an example of how utterly silly these changes are.
 
How about everyone quit the passive-aggressive bullshit, piling-on, and smarmy-ass hot takes and actually try to have a reasonable discussion.

Last warning!
 
You mean this?
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Yes, or just any of her dialogue. This is why I am a bit confused by the extent to which this localization is going with Tsubasa (and some other shifts), while the exact same crew (well, unless these are two distinctly different groups in treehouse) handled Fates in a much more straightforward and understandable fashion. The sexual suggestiveness of characters like Camilla were not touched.

When it comes down to it, I think they just don't want any underaged sexualization. I can understand that even if I think the lengths to which they take some edits to be a bit extreme.

I'm glad they didn't change this....or this...

But in comparison, the edit to female Corrin in smash is stupid.

Sakurai does whatever he wants. We're talking about a game where Peach beats the shit out of Bowser with various kitchen appliances while having a win animation that feigns innocence and "airheadedness".... as she just finished smashing your face in with a frying pan.
 
Sakurai does whatever he wants. We're talking about a game where Peach beats the shit out of Bowser with various kitchen appliances while having a win animation that feigns innocence and "airheadedness".... as she just finished smashing your face in with a frying pan.

I don't mind Sakurai as a developer, though I still question the axing of a story mode in SSB4 but w/e It was a dope game regardless. I thought it was Nintendo doing last minute alterations with the DLC characters, I didn't play Bayonetta 2 but how much hair is removed from her Wicked Weave smash attacks seems to be a lot less than in the original game which also had me believe in this notion. If you know something that I don't then I get where your coming from. Just making conversation at this point.
 
Yes, or just any of her dialogue. This is why I am a bit confused by the extent to which this localization is going with Tsubasa (and some other shifts), while the exact same crew (well, unless these are two distinctly different groups in treehouse) handled Fates in a much more straightforward and understandable fashion. The sexual suggestiveness of characters like Camilla were not touched.

When it comes down to it, I think they just don't want any underaged sexualization. I can understand that even if I think the lengths to which they take some edits to be a bit extreme.

Yeah I don't necessarily think it's externally consistent. I would like to know who actually worked on this and who made what calls, etc It'd be interesting.
 
Yes, or just any of her dialogue. This is why I am a bit confused by the extent to which this localization is going with Tsubasa (and some other shifts), while the exact same crew (well, unless these are two distinctly different groups in treehouse) handled Fates in a much more straightforward and understandable fashion. The sexual suggestiveness of characters like Camilla were not touched.

When it comes down to it, I think they just don't want any underaged sexualization. I can understand that even if I think the lengths to which they take some edits to be a bit extreme.



Sakurai does whatever he wants. We're talking about a game where Peach beats the shit out of Bowser with various kitchen appliances while having a win animation that feigns innocence and "airheadedness".... as she just finished smashing your face in with a frying pan.

They aren't underage in the western version, though, which is why the changes make even less sense. Why bother aging them up to 18 if you're going to make so many alterations anyway?
 
How about everyone quit the passive-aggressive bullshit, piling-on, and smarmy-ass hot takes and actually try to have a reasonable discussion.

Last warning!
Thank you for that. It seems like all of the localization threads end up getting so nasty around here. There's no reason for it.
 
They aren't underage in the western version, though, which is why the changes make even less sense. Why bother aging them up to 18 if you're going to make so many alterations anyway?

I think the fact that they were underaged and are in a school setting is what it amounts to. They can lipservice the age settings but the setting is what throws it for a loop.
 
The changes aren't just the costumes if you've been following this game.

Is there a list of the ones that weren't? People keep talking about stuff like important story details being chopped out and I have apparently missed those. Nobody's really clarified well enough in the past several pages either.

How about everyone quit the passive-aggressive bullshit, piling-on, and smarmy-ass hot takes and actually try to have a reasonable discussion.

Last warning!

I admit I probably didn't help things in my case coming in this thread with a flippant attitude to begin with, but I think there was some confusion in that I meant to mock Nintendo and Atlus, not really the posters in this thread. So, sorry to anyone who got the wrong idea.
 
They aren't underage in the western version, though, which is why the changes make even less sense. Why bother aging them up to 18 if you're going to make so many alterations anyway?

Perhaps because its still easy to know what the original age was anyway.

Even then however I'd just say give yourself less fucking work and design the characters to be 18 from the get go.

But lets be real here, with how much they are changing in this game (even if it is all mostly minor) I seriously have to wonder if they are just trolling fans and just making things worse because of how fans have reacted to other games. It's likely not that at all but I can't help myself from thinking it.
 
To kind of bring this back to topic, though, looking at some of this game's art I'm baffled at even an attempt to un-fanservice this game because gaddayum:

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I'm seriously questioning the logic of removing fanservice from a fundamentally fanservicey game. The people who were turned off by the fanservice aren't going to buy it with these changes, and they're just alienating the people who do intend to buy it.
 
But lets be real here, with how much they are changing in this game (even if it is all mostly minor) I seriously have to wonder if they are just trolling fans and just making things worse because of how fans have reacted to other games. It's likely not that at all but I can't help myself from thinking it.
Nah, it's a funny idea but I think the people working on it just have a relatively strict set of guidelines and are acting on that. I wouldn't expect them to be "in touch" enough to know about both the target audience for this game and discussions like these. I want to stress that isn't because I underestimate their work -- they're clearly going the extra kilometre here -- it's just that it's easy to overestimate the importance of threads like these, lol.
 
Nah, it's a funny idea but I think the people working on it just have a relatively strict set of guidelines and are acting on that. I wouldn't expect them to be "in touch" enough to know about both the target audience for this game and discussions like these. I want to stress that isn't because I underestimate their work -- they're clearly going the extra kilometre here -- it's just that it's easy to overestimate the importance of threads like these, lol.

I bet Atlus USA is actually pretty in touch with the target audience for this kind of game, though, and that complicates the situation since they're handling the localization. There's a bunch of stuff going behind the scenes; I wonder what the discussions between Atlus USA and Nintendo regarding this game's localization changes were like.

Ultimately, Nintendo are the ones deciding all of this, so maybe there wasn't even much in terms of real back-and-forth and people responsible for executing the changes just silently went with the direction from the leadership.

He's allowed to have an opinion.

That he is, but it also seems intentionally inflammatory when everyone's going "this is pretty silly" and there's disagreement on that specific point when the same scenario had been repeated in the past. From what Kaiterra said, though, he wasn't even defending the change, so there's that.
 
WTF is this bullshit.

Christ, this thread is a mess.

It's a Nintendo localization/censorship/alerterations/whatever name you want to call what NoA does thread, Xia. If anything, this has been less of a mess than previous threads about this subject. The threads about the face rubbing getting removed and Lin's costume changes were noticeably worse in comparison.
 
I bet Atlus USA is actually pretty in touch with the target audience for this kind of game, though, and that complicates the situation since they're handling the localization. There's a bunch of stuff going behind the scenes; I wonder what the discussions between Atlus USA and Nintendo regarding this game's localization changes were like.

Ultimately, Nintendo are the ones deciding all of this, so maybe there wasn't even much in terms of real back-and-forth and people responsible for executing the changes just silently went with the direction from the leadership.
Yeah, Atlus is very in touch with their community, it seems. I guess I didn't make it clear enough, but I meant the people at Nintendo asking for these changes, because I don't think Atlus would've performed them on their own accord.
 
That he is, but it also seems intentionally inflammatory when everyone's going "this is pretty silly" and there's disagreement on that specific point when the same scenario had been repeated in the past. From what Kaiterra said, though, he wasn't even defending the change, so there's that.

Didn't read inflammatory to me at all. If anything, the responses in return to him were much much moreso.

Most of you need to take a step back and just agree to disagree as things just are going in circles.
 
Is there a list of the ones that weren't? People keep talking about stuff like important story details being chopped out and I have apparently missed those. Nobody's really clarified well enough in the past several pages either.



I admit I probably didn't help things in my case coming in this thread with a flippant attitude to begin with, but I think there was some confusion in that I meant to mock Nintendo and Atlus, not really the posters in this thread. So, sorry to anyone who got the wrong idea.

They re-recorded new dialogue for the dungeon with the photographer if what I'm looking up is right. All I recall is a few posts in the early part of the thread saying it suggests a change in how the dungeon's story is approached.

He's allowed to have an opinion.



WTF is this bullshit.

Christ, this thread is a mess.

That was just a terrible joke about pelvises on my part.
 
Yeah, Atlus is very in touch with their community, it seems. I guess I didn't make it clear enough, but I meant the people at Nintendo asking for these changes, because I don't think Atlus would've performed them on their own accord.

Oh, that's a given. We give Atlus USA a lot of flack but we know they're pretty in-tune with what people want most of the time even if they can't deliver.

On that note I'm kind of sad that Nintendo tried to use Atlus as a shield with their public statement to deflect their nonsense. For the first time in a while I feel bad for Atlus. :P
 
They re-recorded new dialogue for the dungeon with the photographer if what I'm looking up is right. All I recall is a few posts in the early part of the thread saying it suggests a change in how the dungeon's story is approached.

Can anyone more invested or aware of the changes provide more details? Because I actually wouldn't be happy with changes that I think do an actual disservice to the story in my eyes. I even see where people were coming from in regards to that scene in Fatal Frame.

Following something like this?

I was referring to people on both sides of the discussion and the more pointed part of that comment was directed at Nintendo and Atlus for what I think was a msitake in the conception of this game during the design phase, one that, if they were savvy enough, would have allowed them to easily evade any of this controversy.
 
This is why we need all those games ported to PC, so that people can mod back whatever was censored, while companies still having their marketing friendly versions on sale.
 
I was referring to people on both sides of the discussion and the more pointed part of that comment was directed at Nintendo and Atlus for what I think was a msitake in the conception of this game during the design phase.

But no one was dancing around anything. I think the vast majority of people engaged in this discussion here were actually interested in getting the game, and still are. No one was or is saying that #FE was a stupid idea.
 
But no one was dancing around anything. I think the vast majority of people engaged in this discussion here were actually interested in getting the game, and still are. No one was or is saying that #FE was a stupid idea.

I am interested in getting the game AND think it was a stupid idea!
 
No, making changes that are far outside the jurisdiction of localisation is.

Says who? Furthermore, looking at some of these changes I don't see any wrong in these changes.

The changes aren't just the costumes if you've been following this game.

I read the OP. The primary changes have got to do with ensuring the characters are not in unnecessarily revealing costumes right? Did they change the story notably?
 
I am interested in getting the game AND think it was a stupid idea!

Heh, that's kinda weird? What makes you interested in #FE, then?

I read the OP. The primary changes have got to do with ensuring the characters are not in unnecessarily revealing costumes right? Did they change the story notably?

The context of a gravure-based dungeon was modified. Like it was brought up before, envision that the meaning behind Persona 4's Sauna and Strip Club dungeons and the motivations behind the characters involved were changed for a Western audience.
 
But in comparison, the edit to female Corrin in smash is stupid.

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That seems pretty consistent with it being a E10 title. We already know they dropped the Tharja trophy prior to release, and you also have Bayonetta more covered up during Wicked Weaves versus her own games.
 
Says who? Furthermore, looking at some of these changes I don't see any wrong in these changes.
Me, and as already elaborated upon, a bit of shadow on the hips is not so incompatible with the more than a dozen cultures this is getting released in that such a change can count as localisation -- it doesn't reflect those locales.
I read the OP. The primary changes have got to do with ensuring the characters are not in unnecessarily revealing costumes right? Did they change the story notably?
We're many pages past the OP and as already pointed out in the thread, the article contains both misinformation and the reason this thread is so long is because we've since found out about more things, making the OP both false and outdated.
 
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