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Marijuana Related Arrests Skyrocket In Colorado For Black And Latino Minors
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Claude Augario
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You were the one that said there was no oppression. Or does that count as actual racism now?
Thunder Monkey
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Well... Utah, Kansas, Arizona, Nebraska, Wyoming, and Oklahoma are in the direct vicinity.
Liberal compared to it's neighbors sure... but don't go expecting miracles.
Lots of of states give that impression, but it's usually the urban hubs. Once you get out of the city it's a different world. See California and New York.
univariate
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African Americans are not, as a whole, oppressed by white people. Currently, anyways.
Not sure where you live, but this isn't a unique opinion.
Gordon Shumway
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Oh, shit..I see gaming side guru is back to defend things he shouldn't.
Or chasing waterfalls..
Racism doesn't exist anymore. Black president, bootstraps for everyone, no more KKK lynchings. It's all good guys.
Secret Fawful
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It's not a correct one, either.
Jmanunknown
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I am sorry to tell you this but black people are still oppressed to a degree that is beyond ridiculous. Sure things are better but their is a generation of young black men who have literally had their lives destroyed because of the war on drugs. Its people like yourself who choose to ignore the problems America has with minorities but since black people are not being hanged from trees anymore everything is just all roses now.
But why should we privlilege national- or Alabama-level data here when Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment's data show that black high schoolers *are* "more criminal in this respect" in Colorado? Do you have a reason to doubt the state agency's number?
I just said that I don't understand you because lots of different rates are at play here but you just said "it will not decrease as much" so I still don't know what "it" you're referring to...
A Link to the Past
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Did you seriously just use "other people think this is true" as a defense? That other people are ignorant is not exactly to your benefit.
A Link to the Past
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The reason is that there's no reason to assume good faith in Colorado's numbers when in Alabama, in California, in Oregon, in Iowa, and even the overall situation in the US, we can see that white people are treated better. I'm sure that other states also report higher possession rates for black kids despite these figures, because police tend to target them over white kids. Isn't the simpler explanation that Colorado's figures have the same root cause as other similar figures, and that profiling inflates figures to where black kids don't possess more often, they just get targeted and caught more often?
Minorities sure as hell are tired of people like you.
DontBeThatGuy
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I mean, we couldn't even get a black president without half the country calling him a Muslim Kenyan. You can reach some great, great heights on merit alone and all these millions of people still gonna try and tear your ass down in a way that is clearly racial.
It's not slavery or jim crow, but it doesn't have to be.
Lol this thread went to shit quite fast.
Thunder Monkey
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Riiiight...
Speaking as a white guy... what the fuck are you talking about?
If you want to ignore that 13% of the population make up almost 40% of police related gun fatalities, many cases of these people being in the wrong place at the wrong time (buying a pellet gun, being a 12 year old with a BB gun, running away from a police officer) aren't cases of a definite racial biases... then what are they?
Studies have been done on these things. They are an institutionalized form of racial oppression.
To ignore or marginalize is not a good look on anyone.
I like how as more data came in about the area, showing the plummeting cases for white children since the laws changed but increase for minorities, none of it was argued against directly. There was an instant pivot to:
There are bigger fish to fry!
and
Institutional racism doesn't exist!
just as soon as the data stopped supporting their argument. Amazing how that shit works.
There are bigger fish to fry!
and
Institutional racism doesn't exist!
just as soon as the data stopped supporting their argument. Amazing how that shit works.
Claude Augario
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Predatory lending, busted schools, police brutality, problematic housing and discriminatory hiring practices are just the tip of the iceberg of things that are still a problem in 2016. Everything you're expected to have to succeed in America comes with a stipulation that if the melanin content in your skin passes a certain threshold you are likely to have those things snatched away from you at will by the people looking down on you from above.
How is that not oppression - or did it all evaporate because we can sit anywhere on the bus now?
This is a phenomena I like to call The Spin Cycle.I like how as more data came in about the area, showing the plummeting cases for white children since the laws changed but increase for minorities, none of it was argued against directly. There was an instant pivot to:
There are bigger fish to fry!
and
Institutional racism doesn't exist!
just as soon as the data stopped supporting their argument. Amazing how that shit works.
Meanwhile.. In so cal.
I'm pulled over and asked if my car is stolen.
Must be nice.
Thunder Monkey
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Seriously!
How aren't there a billion signals to you univariate that there is a serious issue in this country?
It's not like white kids stopped committing these crimes with more ready access to marijuana.
I don't know if it breaks down the minor arrests by district, but if you look at arrests by districts black arrests go down 23 percent from 2012 to 2014, white arrests go down 48 percent. Denver is included in 2014 but not 2012. If you take out Denver in 2014 white arrests go down 51% from 2012 to 2014 and black arrests go down 46% from 2012 to 2014. A much closer figure. Minor arrests would follow that trend
PartTimeWarrior
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Why are 10 year olds out here with marijuana anyways
If anything the authorities need to start getting more serious with busting drug dealers who sell to kids.
If anything the authorities need to start getting more serious with busting drug dealers who sell to kids.
I like how as more data came in about the area, showing the plummeting cases for white children since the laws changed but increase for minorities, none of it was argued against directly. There was an instant pivot to:
There are bigger fish to fry!
and
Institutional racism doesn't exist!
just as soon as the data stopped supporting their argument. Amazing how that shit works.
At least jeff_rigby was smart enough to bow out of the thread when facts popped up... the other one, not so much.
Quit your whining, us blacks have it good... maybe a little too good.
Time to put the bong down.
I guess smoking while your brain is still developing is indeed detrimental.
I like how as more data came in about the area, showing the plummeting cases for white children since the laws changed but increase for minorities, none of it was argued against directly. There was an instant pivot to:
There are bigger fish to fry!
and
Institutional racism doesn't exist!
just as soon as the data stopped supporting their argument. Amazing how that shit works.
It literally went from "show me the data to but blacks are not oppressed guise!"
At least it has not went to the "what about black on black crime" phase yet.
The Artisan
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I know you're being sarcastic, but is there an honest part to this sentence, too?
Thunder Monkey
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A Link to the Past
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They're not being sarcastic, they're being sardonic!
Or what Dr. King would have wished.
Black man in Orange County here.
Driving home from Newport Beach at 6:45pm, got stopped in Costa Mesa and then Irvine for a total of an hour and 36 minutes because they thought my car was stolen, not even a nice car, a fucking Prius.
Get the fuck outta here, man.
Nikodemos
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Don'cha know, black people are supposed to only drive clapped-out Saturns.
"because police tend to target them over white kids"? But the numbers Buzz Feed cited for usage rates by race were presumably independent of police anything, they came from the state Health agency.
This doesn't fit his narrative that things are hunky dory for us negroes so as he said, he will just ignore it. Things are so much better for us now, not like the good ole days when we were being lynched.
Stop driving rap cars and playing loud music, you thug.
damn
EdibleKnife
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I don't consider the pipeline one that starts and stops within a police station. This kind of disproportionality doesn't get seen as what it is but as a "problem" with "those" kinds of kids. With this kind of record, the public, community, counselors, teachers and the very officers that arrested you in the first place can end up less sympathetic to you. Less sympathy means you're given less opportunity, less opportunities means the band of where you're accepted gets smaller and smaller.
I've seen too many of this disproportionality in various areas along with too much evidence both with my own eyes/ears and second hand of the entirely different types of encounters minorities have with law enforcement in comparison to white people.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Did institutional racism get zapped over the weekend? I was busy playing BattleL
"I never seen it, so it must not exist!"
A Link to the Past
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It immediately becomes a problem when the question arises as to whether the arrest rate lines up with the usage rate, if we can assume that the data is actually solid. According to the data in the OP, arrests of black and Latino teens had huge increases, while arrests of white teens dropped. Would you assume that this is indicative of white teens possessing drugs less often than before legalization, that blacks and Latino teens started to do drugs significantly more often (despite that the % was only slightly higher in your data), or that racial profiling is afoot? Given that racial profiling is evident very often in other states, the third option not being the correct one would require that we have an explanation on what exactly makes Colorado an exception.
How is anyone still this dumb?
Black people don't have to be in fucking chains to still be oppressed by white people.
adamsappel
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Chicago is a utopia for black people!
http://chicagoist.com/2016/04/14/9_takeaways_from_the_chicago_police.php
Zvonimir Boban
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Because it would mean admitting that minorities are right in "playing the race card". Institutional and societal racism is to be ignored, the fact that black people are more likely to be arrested, and receive harsher treatment in the courts isn't racism. That fact that you'll find it harder to get a job just because the name on your CV looks black or foreign isn't a major concern. Legislation being passed that is designed to overwhelmingly target minorities and poor people is ok.
Easier to live in a happy little bubble where racism doesn't exist because a black guy won't be lynched for chatting to a white woman. For fucks sake, there's a guy in here saying black kids should be grateful for being arrested.
So lets just agree that all these "racist" incidents and statistics are nothing more than thousands and thousands of completely unconnected coincidences. Anyway, those kids were probably no angels anyway.
univariate
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I stand corrected. Didn't mean to offend anyone here, not sure what the personal attacks are for.
univariate
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Is there something unusual about living in two places?
I guess I'll establish bonafides here and say plainly: there is clearly a problem in Colorado, it's clear that black and Latino juveniles are being arrested at rates that are not commensurate with their rates of "criminality" (scare quoted because that words feels too strong for the petty possession offenses we're discussing). I think the problem is clear enough that we can demonstrate it by strictly citing evidence directly without needing to stretch it.
Colorado's health agency shows that black Colorado high schoolers use weed at a higher rate than white Colorado high schoolers do. That discrepancy likely accounts for some -- but not all -- of the discrepancy we see in arrest rates. When we're talking about complex systems, like drug enforcement, it's important we're clear about the residuals on all of the possible factors.
Even attributing to "racial profiling" is complicated because we can imagine even more factors that we aren't accounting for here. Maybe black and Latino high schoolers tend to live in jurisdictions that are more heavily policed. That may or may not be a problem on its own; if those neighborhoods have higher violent crime rates, most people would probably agree that they should be more heavily policed. Now maybe you wanna call that a different kind of racial profiling, at the police allocation level instead of at the beat cop level, and I'd be sympathetic to that angle. Whatever model we try to fit to these arrest data is going to have a whole bunch of factors, and I can't say without doing the work what the r^2 on profiling is. It's probably big enough for us to be concerned, tho.
The willful ignorance, the denial of systemic oppression, the shift to "there are bigger fish to fry" when presented with facts, telling us negroes how good it is for us now, etc. You knew what you were doing.
univariate
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edit: not worth getting banned over.
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