Almost ended Ryan Reynolds super hero aspirations.
Why is everyone anti Bruce x Barbara? (Batman)
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Almost ended Ryan Reynolds super hero aspirations.
It gets worse
*spits drink*
It gets worse
Kilowog doesn't approve.
The only consolation I can offer you is that you have people that can help you work through the pain now, with so many people having to bear the scars of having read that storyline years ago.
WaterAstro
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So what? We all met Hermione when she was a kid, now I'd tap Emma Watson's ass any day.
No one in the corp approve of Hal's action, lol.
No one of us had a personal relationship with her while she was a child and we were adults, though.
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Beer Monkey
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I grew up reading Silver Age comics, she was totally like a 25-year-old professional, feminist icon, much older than Dick.
The Professor X stuff with Jean is 100x creepier (comparing Silver Age to Silver Age).
The Professor X stuff with Jean is 100x creepier (comparing Silver Age to Silver Age).
WaterAstro
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My dream is dead.
We're not talking about the comic. We're talking about the DCAU version, where they were the same age.
Even then, the Silver Age version was almost the same age:
Or did you mean the Bronze Age, where they were still only two or three years apart:
Valjean Lafitte
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She was 25 when she was first introduced in the comics back in the 60s. Later they retconned this so that she was closer to Dick's age, but still 3 years older.
I never got the impression that she was the same age as Dick, even in the DCAU. Even if that's case, my point still stands that she wasn't jailbait when she was first introduced as Batgirl, as she would have been at least 18.
20 and 32 is not creepy at all. Not in the slightest. GAF is going nuts with the term "creepy".
Bruce being a mentor figure for Barbara is creepy though.
Yeezus H. Christ
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It's more like 20 and 35. And honestly, that is pretty creepy
Beer Monkey
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All I'm saying is as an old fart, in my mind Babs is always in between Dick and Bruce in age. Because I haven't stayed current enough. I could have phrased that better.
Part of the problem is they don't stay consistent. I'm not even just talking about retcons, there can be huge amounts of relative age drift between characters for years to decades between retcons.
Marvel started Professor X out as a groomer from the start.
Yeezus H. Christ
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not really about that though
it's about the fact that the kid he raised from 10 and up used to sleep with said girl
and he's also known her since the teenage years
that's creepy brah
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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It gets worse
wait what the fuck
Valjean Lafitte
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18-19. Still a teenager, but not really a kid anymore.
hahahaha yessss
It gets worse
WTF.........
If your 32 year old businessman friend was dating a 20 year old college student are you telling me you wouldn't find that weird? Because I would.
Whether or not a 32 year old would find a 20 year old attractive and vice versa isn't part of this argument.
The last thing I need is for Batman to take a page out of Terry Long's playbook.
Donna Troy falling for her middle-aged college teacher was cringe-y enough, but at the very least she wasn't his son's ex....
Donna Troy falling for her middle-aged college teacher was cringe-y enough, but at the very least she wasn't his son's ex....
Bruce has to be older. He still looks easily mid-20s in the Robin's Reckoning episodes at the youngest, and it's been over a decade since then.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Please notice me, Green Lantern-senpai.
Wasn't Terry also basically just Marv Wolfman writing himself into the story? And then he has her marry Donna?
Yeah, that was creepsville.
Chuck has a Stand that gives him rape powers?
DrunkShogun
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It's Grayson and Barbara as the pair because they actually have a personality. Batman is meant to be the weirdo who is fighting his feelings for joker and uses catwoman to repress it. Didn't really bring much to the story other than Robin left because of it. The dynamic duo broke up because Bruce needed to get on to some Barbara action.
Bruce getting involved in a romantic relationship with the bat that inspired him to become Batman would have been less creepy than doing the dirty with his far younger surrogate daughter, in addition to said daughter being the ACTUAL daughter of his best friend.
One of the DCAU's rare slip-ups, only marginally worse than that frankly rubbish Joker redesign between series and pretty much absolutely everything they tried to do with Catwoman
One of the DCAU's rare slip-ups, only marginally worse than that frankly rubbish Joker redesign between series and pretty much absolutely everything they tried to do with Catwoman
Frozenprince
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Honestly, I'm not against the character concept. Batman is a creepy guy, and I don't think his character is a "role-model," inspiring, or whatever. He's usually a heroic, admirable character, yes, but he's not someone I'd ever aspire to be like I do Superman and Wonder Woman, the other sides of the trinity. At least, that's how I prefer the characters be written.
In the DCAU it's too heavy since it was designed for the family, but generally it's a disturbing plot thread I can see working.
In the DCAU it's too heavy since it was designed for the family, but generally it's a disturbing plot thread I can see working.
Team Filler
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I don't mind it so much. I don't think the age gap is a big deal at all (I literally work with a girl who is happily married to and has a kid with a guy 15 years her senior), as both are consenting adults and Barbara being a woman doesn't preclude her from having agency in her love life.
Bruce being a mentor figure to her in the same way a college professor would be to their students is a bit of a problem, though considering their heroics are generally borne from a place of tragedy, I don't expect healthy life choices out of any member of the Batfamily. I mean, Bruce is obviously a very messed up guy.
Bruce being a mentor figure to her in the same way a college professor would be to their students is a bit of a problem, though considering their heroics are generally borne from a place of tragedy, I don't expect healthy life choices out of any member of the Batfamily. I mean, Bruce is obviously a very messed up guy.
This is pretty much a consequence of being written by so many writers.
Eventually someone is going to write something that has the character come off really shitty. And make no mistake, both Bruce and the writer come off looking really bad.
And to be honest, Barbera does not come off looking like roses either. It was a pretty crappy thing for both of them to do to Dick.
As for 'creepy': yeah it comes off this way, but other than what it may mean to Dick/Jim, Bruce/Barb did not really do anything wrong.
Eventually someone is going to write something that has the character come off really shitty. And make no mistake, both Bruce and the writer come off looking really bad.
And to be honest, Barbera does not come off looking like roses either. It was a pretty crappy thing for both of them to do to Dick.
As for 'creepy': yeah it comes off this way, but other than what it may mean to Dick/Jim, Bruce/Barb did not really do anything wrong.
not psycho
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The real Bruce is none too impressed with his creepy doppelganger.
DryEyeRelief
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Rogue and Magneto is another younger woman, older man pairing, right?
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I'm also not really sold on the "it was love" angle anyway. It was a problematic relationship from the start with enough red flags that even Daredevil could've seen it coming a mile away.
Character flaws, even major, gross ones, aren't a bad thing. Especially for a character like Batman, who to me (in the modern age) usually represents the dark side of superheroism.
Now Clark and Kara... that would be super fucked up.
*strumming a guitar*
♫ Back on the farm... ♫
Now Clark and Kara... that would be super fucked up.
*strumming a guitar*
♫ Back on the farm... ♫
Pop-O-Matic
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How 'bout that time Legion traveled back in time disguised as his father to rape his mother?
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