PoliGAF 2010: Home Of "By The Time I Get To Arizona"
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bill0527 said:
You have to have insurance with a motor scooter. The cab driver has to buy insurance and pay an evil communist operating fee.
Looks like you are stuck with a bike or walking. Good thing all American cities are dense and not subject to urban sprawl.
But oh no, you have to pay evil communist tax to buy that bike or walking shoes.
Looks like you can't escape our freedom killing measures.
JoeBoy101 said:
I thought I made it clear that that such sentiments were going to come from the Tea Party crowd as opposed to the GOP proper, and I really don't see how such extreme views would be surprising coming from what has been demonstrated again and again to be a cesspool of some of the worst political radicalization we've seen in a good long while.
We've had the words "ni**er" and "fa**ot" yelled at members of congress in government buildings in the past few days from these people, so you'll excuse me if I feel the GOP needs to get these people under control and barring that at least get their own members under control that find it necessary to play to these people and their sentiments.
re: Court challenges
have bantered back an IM with a lawyer friend of mine, who says that it's unlikely that HCR will be overturned by the SC. first, there's zero chance the SC would take a case based on state's rights, and a more limited focus on the mandate itself (which would bring us back to pre-New Deal interpretation of the law) would likely fail because Scalila and Stevens are New Dealists.
that said, this doesn't prevent the legislation from death through attrition. it's not unrealistic that insurance companies and the like could file court challenges to remove key planks of the bill to effectively render it null and void (such as the no pre-existing conditions clause).
have bantered back an IM with a lawyer friend of mine, who says that it's unlikely that HCR will be overturned by the SC. first, there's zero chance the SC would take a case based on state's rights, and a more limited focus on the mandate itself (which would bring us back to pre-New Deal interpretation of the law) would likely fail because Scalila and Stevens are New Dealists.
that said, this doesn't prevent the legislation from death through attrition. it's not unrealistic that insurance companies and the like could file court challenges to remove key planks of the bill to effectively render it null and void (such as the no pre-existing conditions clause).
talisayNon
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So additional question: I see that there's a bunch of deals cut with the Healthcare industry with this deal, and there's a new tax implemented on those with income >200K, is there any tax at all to people making <200K? Are they hit with medicaid tax increase? No, right?
Manmademan
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Novid said:
:lol :lol :lol
not sure what to say to this really. Were you ready for "killing in the streets!" and "ready to go to jail!" when we sent people to die in iraq? what? no? hmmm I guess blowing trillions of dollars and thousands of lives over a pointless war is fine, but poor people getting healthcare? it's time to riot!
Interfectum
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This about sums up the republican party. :lol
CharlieDigital
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bill0527 said:
You do. You are at a significant economic disadvantage if you do not own a car and you do not live in a metropolitan area where there is high availability and access to SOCIALIST mass transportation. In other words: how you gonna get to that job of yours? In a sense, it's a self imposed fine.
bill0527 said:
You've already been fined.
Ride a bike: On SOCIALIST taxpayer funded sidewalks, roads, and bike paths.
Take a cab: On SOCIALIST taxpayer funded roads and highways not to mention those road signs and signals that keep us safe. Damn those SOCIALISTS, always looking out for the safety of the public.
Walk: On SOCIALIST taxpayer funded sidewalks. And those pesky traffic lights and stop signs once again, impeding your ability to run out into traffic!
Motor Scooter: On SOCIALIST taxpayer funded roads, once again!
Ride with someone else: That's COMMUNISM.
itsinmyveins
Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
CharlieDigital said:
Why you gotta rain on his freedom parade, man?
PhoenixDark
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Now that it's law, the media is finally kinda forced to talk about the details. Nice
What's Morning Joe looking like? It's always been a bastion of beltway nonsense and conservative concern trolling.
What's Morning Joe looking like? It's always been a bastion of beltway nonsense and conservative concern trolling.
crowphoenix
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He's a surgeon (general, vascular, breast) and a good one, if you'll excuse a bit of pride on my part.besada said:
Are these rewards purely monetary? As to point three, how do the centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services determine when those incentives should be rewarded?
Jason's Ultimatum
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Just woke up! So when does Obama sign the T-1000 bill!?
cartoon_soldier
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jmdajr said:
GOP: Over 900000 dollars.
Truth: Tax credits to small business to help them cover employees.
Joel Was Right
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How is a 2000 page legal document written so quickly and proof-read and verified?
Jason's Ultimatum
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Americans shouldn't have to worry about figuring out how to pay for the basic necessities like food, shelter, clothing, health care, and education. I mean seriously. This is what Europe does better us.
BotoxAgent
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nubbe said:
I was thinking of the same thing.
Funny how these people think they own wealth or equity....or worse, probably think they are part of Republican wealthy class yet ironically, they are oblivious to the fact they are just being used by them to push their agenda of screwing exactly these types of ignorant low class people.
It reminds me of Land of the Dead when Dennis Hopper keeps promising John Leguizamo a penthouse if he keeps doing his grunt work or something, but you know Dennis Hopper is just smoking his cigar and laughing his ass off :lol
CharlieDigital
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JoeBoy101 said:
So federal subsidies aren't given to state and local governments for public works projects including roads?
Federal dollars aren't spent on maintaining our interstate highways?
Federal dollars flowing to state and local governments have no effect on how state and local governments budget for public works projects and allocate resources?
Gallbaro said:
That's great, but without the interstates, our economic expansion wouldn't have been possible.
Jason's Ultimatum
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JoeBoy101 said:
Eisenhower and the interstate highway system!
WAIT! Eisenhower wasn't really an American! He was a Communist general!
Slightly Live
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The whole Health Bill stuff has been fascinating to watch from this corner of the world.
But going to jail? Blood on the streets? Really? :lol
But going to jail? Blood on the streets? Really? :lol
itsinmyveins
Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
JoeBoy101 said:
I'm not gonna pretend that I know the difference so could you just explain to me, in layman's terms, what the basic difference other than the scale of the apparatus is?
gkrykewy said:
Sorry, never really had much of a fight in on the whole healthcare fight so I've been mostly absent for it here, so I am far from being in a bad/sad mood. I'm in here, because education/immigration is being talked up.
But if you want a more accurate picture of me stated through your affinity for childish figures:
Meus Renaissance said:
Its probably got a few errors. There are some sections in the 2005 Federal bankruptcy bill that say the exact opposite of what the drafters thought it would say. But usually as long as the majority of the Bill is well drafted, it will basically do what its supposed to.
CharlieDigital
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Jason's Ultimatum said:
That's not to mention the more common case where federal subsidies (aka "pork") is driven to state and local coffers for public works projects.
StoOgE said:
No, I actually agree with him on this. The interstates distorted the market badly, and enabled a level of dispersion that has us utterly dependent on cheap mobile energy.
This was exacerbated by similar federal market distortions in the housing sector -- for example, federally-backed mortgage insurance enabled the exponential growth of homeownership starting in the 1930s, but for quite awhile, federally-backed mortgages (which brought with them 10% down payments and 30-yr terns, rather than the 40-50% and 10-yrs required otherwise) had to be for detached dwellings -- again, drastically distorting residential development patterns toward dispersed suburban locations.
JoeBoy101 said:
Yes, I'm totally convinced now that you aren't at all embittered by the whole thing. Thanks for clearing that up.
giga said:
Versus.
Norwegian Wood said:
The funny thing is that this country is built on immigration be it legal, illegal or heck forced (slavery). Immigration is going to get ugly.
Immigration is so broken now. It took me almost 4 years to get my greencard and I was one of the lucky ones. There are people waiting as long as 10 years to get one. If you think getting a greencard is rough, try sponsoring your family especially non-parents. That can take another 10 years. Things get easier once you become a US Citizen but getting there is the tough part. And all this trouble happens for the legal immigrants.....
Imagine if Obama annoucnes a full blown amnesty program for legal and illegal immigrants. The Tea Party and GOP will probably shit themselves. Beck and Limbuagh will probably explode. And the world will be a better place for it
Make it happen 'Bams! You too Pelosi and Reid. You may suffer the consequence this year, but years later when our children's children look back, history will be kind upon you.
Jason's Ultimatum
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jmdajr said:
Health care plans that the rich can afford, top of the line, which is why you get the "cadelliac". An excise tax will be added on to those plans.
ViperVisor
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Beck on passage of health care bill: "The fruit of this tree is extraordinarily evil"
Today the Media Matters gnomes do their work with a smile.
Today the Media Matters gnomes do their work with a smile.
Jason's Ultimatum said:
That would assume people want to drive to somewhere like Wyoming, but nonetheless, a good counter-example.
itsinmyveins said:
Well, scale is pretty much the difference. The only other ones that comes to mind is the economics in that most states cannot run with a deficit or with a deficit for very long. They have to work with the money they have. Also, a state government is regional and keeps regional concerns at the forefront.
I wasn't disagreeing with him so much as pointing out that for alot of people there is a difference between state and federal government. I'm not a psychotic conservative or libertarian, so I understand the need for some government. That's why I concern myself more with efficiency than a deminimus role.
And Panther, to your earlier comment. I know we'll never get government operating like a Starbucks, but hoisting one extreme to say why we should accept another is a little silly.
Lost Fragment
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Morning, PoliGAF. Beautiful day, isn't it?
Holy shit at some of the conservative reaction this morning. I can respect people disagreeing with the bill and being somewhat reasonable about it. But goddamn. God. Damn.
Pretty sad.
I hate fucking politics.
Holy shit at some of the conservative reaction this morning. I can respect people disagreeing with the bill and being somewhat reasonable about it. But goddamn. God. Damn.
Pretty sad.
I hate fucking politics.
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