The character of Spiderman has never done anything for me. There would be the iconic villains of course but I already know them and their stories. I know Peter Parker's story. I want new stories with new characters. I don't want new york. I want interesting locations with interesting visuals.
Sony E3 2016 Press Conference: June 13 at 6 PM PT/ 9PM ET
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The character of Spiderman has never done anything for me. There would be the iconic villains of course but I already know them and their stories. I know Peter Parker's story. I want new stories with new characters. I don't want new york. I want interesting locations with interesting visuals.
Spieler Eins
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I don't particularly care about Spiderman. What I'd find cool is an action platformer like Spiderman PS1. Yet another Open World game though? meh...
Acquiescence
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If Sony average around 3 first-party reveals per E3 as you say, then I guess the safe money is on Dead Don't Ride, God of War 4 and Crash Bandicoot being the selection this year? Unless they pull something completely unexpected out of the bag, like say for instance that JRPG from Japan Studio that Verendus has been hinting at for what seems like forever now. That would be something. It's high time Sony had their own equivalent of Final Fantasy. I know they tried many generations ago with The Legend of Dragoon, and it didn't exactly pan out for them, but they're long due another attempt.
I do believe those three are the primary candidates yes. Though Sony has a great relationship with many developers so something like a new From Software collaboration is certainly possible.
DriftingSpirit
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In response to the above -
God of War 4
Dead Don't Ride
Infamous 3/Spiderman/new IP
Sony Japan JRPG
Crash Bandicoot
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Let's go!!!!!
It seems Sony doesn't care about marketing and release dates and all that jazz right now. They saw the reception their last show got and want to repeat that.
Acquiescence
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There was a time when I thought Bloodborne 2 was a sure-fire thing, but now given Miyazaki's insistence that he wants From to move on to new things, I have my doubts. But hey, who knows. Didn't From Software sign a three game contract with Sony or did I just pull that out of my ass? If true then we're due one more exclusive from them. Could be a new IP.
Demon's Souls was the first one, no?
Two more because Bloodborne is the first one.
funkystudent
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"Dreans 2.0" hype is actually just a misunderstanding and in reality Media Molecules new game Dreams has been retooled.
DriftingSpirit
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lol
Just imagine. "Deflated" wouldn't be nearly enough to describe the plummeted hype.
get2sammyb
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A critically acclaimed inFAMOUS game would sell 2-3 million copies. A critically acclaimed Spider-Man game would sell 8-10 million copies.
And here's the fun bit: Sucker Punch's take on Spider-Man could follow the same structure and gameplay blueprints as an inFAMOUS game. You can have moral choices (Evil Karma path turns you into Venom), you can have climbing up walls, you can have momentum-based gameplay with the swinging. It almost makes too much sense.
Disney is open to licensing out IP. Would they go single format? PS4 is the market leader and if Sony assured them Spider-Man would feature prominently in all PlayStation branding (which he would), then I think it would be a good deal for all parties.
I still don't think it will happen, but it makes more sense than a lot of you give credit. Sucker Punch gets to iterate on the kind of experiences it's been building; Sony gets a huge marketing coup; Disney gets a great game based upon one of their characters.
There's real logic there. And, for as much as I like inFAMOUS, let's not pretend it's the story or lore that makes it - it's the traversal and combat. Two attributes, by the way, that a great Spider-Man game demands.
And here's the fun bit: Sucker Punch's take on Spider-Man could follow the same structure and gameplay blueprints as an inFAMOUS game. You can have moral choices (Evil Karma path turns you into Venom), you can have climbing up walls, you can have momentum-based gameplay with the swinging. It almost makes too much sense.
Disney is open to licensing out IP. Would they go single format? PS4 is the market leader and if Sony assured them Spider-Man would feature prominently in all PlayStation branding (which he would), then I think it would be a good deal for all parties.
I still don't think it will happen, but it makes more sense than a lot of you give credit. Sucker Punch gets to iterate on the kind of experiences it's been building; Sony gets a huge marketing coup; Disney gets a great game based upon one of their characters.
There's real logic there. And, for as much as I like inFAMOUS, let's not pretend it's the story or lore that makes it - it's the traversal and combat. Two attributes, by the way, that a great Spider-Man game demands.
Pound_lb003
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Stoll gotta be a Bloodborne 2. I'm sure.
The contract rumor comes from Verendus and he said Bloodborne was the first one.
WooHooAlex
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I really hope the Sucker Punch Spider-Man game is real but I'm just not sure that Sony would devote first-party resources to an IP that they don't own.
ConfusedGamer
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Wouldn't that kind of contract get cancelled? Now that we know From Software got acquired by Kadokawa games. I mean Bloodborne and Dark Souls III were games they started working on before they got bought.
funkystudent
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I bet FROM totally announces a new game this year but I could see it happening any time really. They could easily wait till TGS or PSX.
Maybe it would be their VR project? Something smaller while the larger Souls teams are still getting started on their next big thing.
Bloodborne 2 will totally be a thing since that game sold OK but its probably a bit soon for it. I'd say a reveal next year at the earliest.
Maybe it would be their VR project? Something smaller while the larger Souls teams are still getting started on their next big thing.
Bloodborne 2 will totally be a thing since that game sold OK but its probably a bit soon for it. I'd say a reveal next year at the earliest.
Acquiescence
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He did? Dang, that's news to me.
I have no idea how it works tbh. If true then surely Sony would be recompensed in someway I'd imagine.
Blackleg-sanji1
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For me they honestly don't need to show to much new. I want..no need to see more of horizon,dreams,Detroit,gt sport, gr2,the last guardian, hot shots golf localization talk,persona 5 release for Na(sorry Europe),heir release date,the tomorrow children,abzu.
My nipples are getting rock hard as I'm reading this.
Didn't we have at some point have Yoshida describe all the 1st party titles with one word - what was SPs word?
Napalm_Frank
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Maybe Bloodborne 2 will just be made without Miyazaki directing. I can see the guys that made Bloodborne DLC going straight to sequel using old building blocks while the other guys focus on their totally not Armored Core VR title and DS3 DLC.
Acquiescence
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Horizon yes, because it went down so well last year.
Dreams maybe. That's honestly a tough call. I'll go with yes.
Detroit no.
GT Sport no. American audiences got no time for racing games anymore.
"Gravity Rush 2? What's that?" said the SCEA exec.
The Last Guardian yes. That'll be there for sure.
Hot Shots Golf, not a peep.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Persona 5 will be there, complete a release date for NA. Sony can't sleep on that game anymore.
I honestly don't know if an E3 presser is the sort of place you'd get more info on TTC and Abzu. They're small games that aren't nearly as anticipated as something like No Man's Sky. Would love to get a release date on the latter though.
Yeah I'm not expecting a lot of Sony's games to show up at the presser outside of sizzle reels. GT just had an event where we got TONS of info and Gravity Rush, Hot Shots, and such have never been the sort of games to receive attention on Sony's E3 stage. I also feel that Detroit is a bit of a long shot. We need to remember that Sony preps their conferences with the particular market in mind. So I wouldn't be expecting games like Ni-Oh and Ni No Kuni either. The only Japanese games I see possibly showing up are Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Tekken and maybe something from Capcom. Persona 5 probably SHOULD be there, but it's far from a guarantee.
I also noticed that Sony's recent major conferences (So not PSX) haven't had as much indie/small game focus; ie: Abzu and such. Unless it's something as significant as No Man's Sky or a new Housemarque game or Santa Monica collab, I wouldn't expect many of such games to make an appearance.
Horizon and TLG will most definitely be there though. I personally expect Dreams to appear during the VR segment where they also announce a beta.
I also noticed that Sony's recent major conferences (So not PSX) haven't had as much indie/small game focus; ie: Abzu and such. Unless it's something as significant as No Man's Sky or a new Housemarque game or Santa Monica collab, I wouldn't expect many of such games to make an appearance.
Horizon and TLG will most definitely be there though. I personally expect Dreams to appear during the VR segment where they also announce a beta.
Jesus Christ, Gopher...
You ARE aware of just how insane E3 2015 was on the Sony conference. The Last Guardian. Final Fantasy VII Remake, Shenmue III... It was as if we were living in a crazy reality conjured by the biggest, craziest fanboy...
And yet it happened. It was real. And now you are saying that this year's conference will live up to THAT?
My heart would not be able to resist such hype...
Blackleg-sanji1
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Yea Gr2 and hotshots golf was more of a dream. Idk they might include abzu and the tomorrow children in the indie montage they always do but probably get release dates at Gamescom. Gt sport yea ur right. Detroit eh idk maybe? Dreams damn wel . Better be there beta announcement at least
DriftingSpirit
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Sony may handle some of those smaller titles like they did with Uncharted Collection and Ratchet and Clank last year. Trailers and what not a week or so before the conference starts.
This is extremely likely as well. Not that it's a small game but they've really already started with the Gran Turismo event last week.
DriftingSpirit
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Right, Ratchet and Clank went on to become the fastest selling title in the franchise and the Uncharted Collection was featured in a major holiday bundle.
I think it is more about managing what they have and being realistic. Gravity Rush 2, for example, will get more spotlight having the front page to itself a week before E3 rather than being cramped between stuff like God of War 4, Dead Don't Ride and Crash Bandicoot the week of E3.
I can't believe people are still swallowing that hype now.
I can forgive people getting caught up in the moment, but the 'morning-after' reality of that show was anything other than hype-worthy:
TLG bit we were shown was very basic, still plenty to prove given the delays.
FFVII is now an episodic adventure rather than the epic we were expecting.
Shenmue III was a Kickstarter, and one that may (or may not) have suffered due to the way it was revealed as much as it was helped (impossible to prove either way.)
None of the games were expected within a year of the show.
If this year TLG gets a 2016 release date, I'll consider Sony's E3 a vast improvement on their last one.
DriftingSpirit
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You can't tell people what to not get hyped over lol.
Blackleg-sanji1
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I can't believe almost a full year later people are still trying to downplay why that e3 was amazing and why it got the reaction it did
At this point, TLG doesnt need to prove anything. It is being developed by Ueda and if you ever played his game, you will know what to expect from his games. Maybe you are disappointed about FFVII being episodic, but plenty of people are hyped about it. We don't want to wait until 2020 to play the game.
It is amazing how people try to alter history about that conference. Fact is. Majority of people know the significance of that conference. Anyone trying to down play that comes from a cynical and jealous place.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Like even I kno and honestly I don't know much about 2 of those games. I just recently played ffvii(ps4 port) and I never touched shenmue. But as I sat in the theater and watched the crowd scream and saw all the emotional responses on the internet how could anybody possibly try and downplay all that.
I'd just like to weigh in on the VII thing - "Not the epic we were expecting"... If they make each of the games full length games with expanded content that wasn't in the original, then I'm A-Okay with this. Fuck man, the original game was limited by the scope of its time, so if they can take that world and do it justice with expanded realities, and by breaking it up gives us full games that allow us to actually get us the game faster... Yeah, I'm okay with it.
No skin off my back. I think your criticisms of TLG and Shenmue are meh at best, I mean, so what it was a kickstarter? They used their E3 conference to act as a goddamn platform for it, to give them a way to really launch it with full visibility, and connect to the maximum possible audience, as well as show their full support behind it. I just don't understand this need to take it down a few notches.
Serenade_King
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The two things I want the most I doubt that will be at E3.
Playstation All-Star 2 but this time with Gascoigne, Etna and Selvaria. 2B from Nier Automata can replace Raiden.
Freedom Wars 2/Remastered, I know it's more of a TGS thing but I still want to hear anything about the game. I find it extremely wierd that not even an expansion has been anounced especially since there is a fist weapon and hand gun that you can't get which would be obvious aditions to the game.
Playstation All-Star 2 but this time with Gascoigne, Etna and Selvaria. 2B from Nier Automata can replace Raiden.
Freedom Wars 2/Remastered, I know it's more of a TGS thing but I still want to hear anything about the game. I find it extremely wierd that not even an expansion has been anounced especially since there is a fist weapon and hand gun that you can't get which would be obvious aditions to the game.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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I disagree. This deal is much more beneficial to Sony than it is for Marvel/Disney. Bypassing Steam, XBone, (presumably) NX, and even iOS/Android is leaving money on the table. Sony would have to pay up some big bucks, or there's more to last year's spidey deal than what is publicly known.
Disney has licensed some LucasArts games, and all Star Wars games will be multiplat. Even the smaller LA games, such as grim fandango, found their way to iOS and Android. Multiple publishers and developers would love to work on spiderman, so sucker punch and sony would have to bring something to the table to persuade Marvel and Disney to allow them to make an exclusive.
Spieler Eins
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Last year was absolutely amazing from almost all companies. Even outside the ,,big3", there were even more ,,impossible" comebacks and great looking new IPs everywhere. Maybe some games are still way off, but E3 is not about things you can purchase tomorrow. It's about the future. The only ones I see downplaying it usually are the ones way too attached to the only company that completely dropped the ball last year (and this gen in general, while slowly becoming irrelevant for both E3 and the market).
I see people try to downplay it by saying none of those games released within the year so it doesn't count.
Nah. That has fuckall to do with the actual content of the conference.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Agree. Sonys last couple of briefings were pretty boring to me. They always start strong and then everything goes downhill.
Never got the excitement for shenmue, FF7R was probably announced way too early again, TLG is missing in Action again since last years E3...
Up to today, Sony still hast impressed me when it comes to their games and services on PS4.
Ratchet and Clank was the only game for me, that really delivered. I wish Sony would have some kind of Halo game or so with full campaign coop, great Multiplayer etc.
They focus way too much on Singleplayer games for me.
But with all this marketing crap going on, i doubt that this will change soon.
I mean this year will be FULL of Activision stuff at the Sony Briefing. Destiny Addon, Destiny 2, CoDIW and Remaster...
Blackleg-sanji1
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Now that's just mean and Savage.. True but savage lol
SolidSnakex
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What exactly was basic about it? It mechanically looked like the TLG that people have been wanting since it was first revealed. And it's not like there are any other games like it. And as far as the visuals go, maybe i'm missing what's so bad or disappointing about this
But each episode is apparently as big as a game in the XIII trilogy, and they were all big games. So how's that not epic?
It was either a Kickstarter or we never get it. I think anyone that ever wanted Shenmue 3 to happen is more than happy that it was Kickstarted.
Jawbreaker
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Sony knows how well those reveals went over last year. Expect them to try it again. ;]
So it's possible to be year of dreams 2.0. but from western devs mostly
I'll take it.
still lowering my expectations tho.
get2sammyb
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Firstly, they're not going to be bypassing iOS/Android because the scale of game we all have in mind won't be happening on smartphones for some time yet. So, they'd be free to negotiate other deals regarding mobile Spider-Man games.
As for being multiformat, if they want to go the quality product route, they'd have to find partners on par with Sony/Sucker Punch. Let me tell you right now: an exclusive PS4 game from Sony/Sucker Punch will sell multiple times more than the multiformat Activision/Beenox games did.
1) The Last Guardian looks GREAT, and just exactly how people wanted. The pedigree of this title alone makes it worthwhile to check.
2) So? Episodic doesn't necessarily mean bad. The long awaited remake, the LEGENDARY remake is being worked on. That's all that matters.
3) Yeah, Shenmue III is a kickstarter project. So what? The game so many people have been waiting for is being made, right?
AnthonypUK
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Nah not typically, there could be change of control clauses for sure, but in this case it would usually be on side of the one buying the product, that protects them against competitor purchasing from or a change in strategy from the new owners, allowing them to can the deal.
Contracts aren't cancelled on a purchase.
DriftingSpirit
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But I don't like any of those things.
WHY DO OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THINGS I DONT LIKE?!?!?!
Blackleg-sanji1
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Man I'm quite jealous shenmue 3,ffvii, the last guardian, is alive, crash rumors alot of dreams man but...where is ape escape 4!!
StereoVsn
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Yeah. It was not a near term conference but more a long term "dream" outlook. At that it was absolutely amazing.
Bitching about FFVII being episodic or Shenmue being a Kickstarter seems a bit petty.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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But that means it will never get there (like GTA or Bioshock eventually did).
If they are unhappy with Activision's quality output, they can work with EA (again), Take 2, Square Enix/Eidos, Capcom, or a plethora of other developers/publishers. Sucker Punch is not the only available option to create and develop a quality spiderman game. Far from it, actually.
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