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Trump v. Bernie Debate
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But it'd still be going to charity.
I don't know about Trump's conspiracies but the issue of Bill Clinton travelling with the pedophile which I mentioned is very true (helping is argument that she has not been good to women), and even if they are not all true Trump can easily paint a picture of Hillary that makes voters even more distrustful of her. And yes, Bernie's chances are way higher than Hillary's per the polls, but you already seem to know about the polls. Hillary's disapproval rating is much higher than his.
Curious, what country are you from and what impact did the people's voice have on your current leader?
M0nochromatic
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The points I keep hearing are about how the math says Hillary is unbeatable, and that Sanders has been dead since that fateful Tuesday. So why are people so up in arms about what they consider to be a dead man gasping his last breaths? They're either reveling in the idea of mobbing up on an opponent who has already lost, or they're not as confident in their chosen champion as they claim to be, otherwise they'd just laugh at the absurdity.
Dubbedinenglish
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Her chances are greater than zero do it's a significantly higher chance than Sanders.
Sanders would the least vetted, least tested candidate ever...
HUELEN10
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/poll-clinton-and-sanders-in-dead-heat-in-california-223580
Seriously, Ssnders has a narrow, but mathematically actual path to victory.
It won't be over until it's over, and it's not over until the math says so.
SneakersSO
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The thing is, outside of a few politicians (none of whom are gonna be on a major political party ticket come the GE), but we're most likely getting some form of idiocy back in the White House come early next year. At this point, i've just resolved myself to accept the L i've gotten.
What you do with your gifs is your own business honey
whyamihere
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The story that every single journalist would love to write is about how Hillary failed again in an even greater fashion to a 70+ year old socialist from Vermont. So yeah, the #DemsInDisarray narrative is pretty potent, despite maybe not covering every single Bernie Sanders rally with the same stump speech.
Ok, I'll be saving this one for next week instead.
excelsiorlef
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It's the South Park mentality, where caring about something even if it's important is stupid and both sides are the same anyway bullshit
Jack Remington
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Bernie. Has. Lost.
He has fucking lost. He has an insurmountable deficit in pledged delegates, and his only hope is doing just well enough to prevent Clinton from mathematically clinching before the convention, then convincing nearly every superdelegate at the convention to vote for him after he's been insulting them openly for months.
Bernie. Has. Lost.
It's great to want things, but when getting those things is no longer possible, and continuing to pursue them harms other people, you need to give up the dream.
Livingskeletons
If I pulled that off, would you die?
Speak for yourself, the Xbox One's disastrous pre- launch was just as engaging.
HUELEN10
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Why should it be that foreign of a notion to say that if preferred candidate X is out of the running, then I'd prefer Z over Y?
Heavy_D206
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Honestly it's not even about this election, it's about the future of our country and how we can shape and change that future.
I hope Bernie gets a talk radio show some day because I would love to hear him speak daily.
SneakersSO
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Uh huh, cause I refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton? Sorry can't do it. But it don't matter - she has more votes regardless. She'll be fine in the GE. I don't understand why people get so mad that some life long democrats & liberals (who I am among) refuse to vote for her. She's the most popular candidate. Have some confidence in your pick.
If you believe those polls are accurate for a candidate that the GOP has largely ignored from attack this entire cycle and focused their entire firepower on Clinton instead, then i can't help you.
It indeed did effect a lot of lives...
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The Autumn Wind
Because down ticket races still matter, and the bigger the victory, the better the chance the House and Senate can swing Democratic. Or did you not think about that since Bernie doesn't ever bother helping out with down ticket races?
In the sense that I have a narrow, mathematically actual path of both being struck by lightning and winning the lottery tomorrow
It could happen
But it won't
cpp_is_king
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I truly hope you don't genuinely believe that "free" actually means free. It gets paid for, and in the worst possible way since the government is the singlest least efficient entity in the entire country at spending money.
what do you think this election is about, if not the future of our country and how we can shape and change that future
can you please report back tomorrow confirming that you haven't been struck by lightning and did not win the lottery? that way i can stop worrying about sanders winning and go back to worrying about the xbox scorpio being more powerful than the ps4 neo
DirtyManos
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You can still be confident in Hillary's chances at victory against Trump AND be angry at Sanders for actively attempting to aid Trump's campaign if this dumpster fire of an idea actually gets lit.
The two are not mutually exclusive, you can see that, right?
Officerrob
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Because most people are not weirdos who go Carson->Bernie->Trump
Corronchilejano
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This debate will be the best comedy of 2016.
So many people are dead set against Hillary while the more people here about Sanders, the more they like him.
Chie Satonaka
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Without getting into the nastiness of what happens in threads like this, I'm just going to say I'm not amused.
Has anything like this ever happened?
Has anything like this ever happened?
yanipheonu
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You know want, if the man isn't going to win the candidacy, let him have one debate. It's gunna be gud.
Unless Trump fixes his demographic hole he won't get anywhere near the white house.Bringing up stuff from the 90's or later and won't help him win.It will just turn more women and other groups away from him
SneakersSO
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I mean, i've been under the assumption that this election was a reality TV show the moment that host from The Apprentice got involved.
To be honest, at times like these I remember that scene from last year's South Park where they spoofed on Trump being a candidate, and I still can't believe we've gotten this far.
User 463088
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And Bernie had his chance to beat her! And he failed. By a lot. If he was this amazingly awesome candidate, and the only person he had in his way was this terrible shrew devil woman...he should have beaten her no problem. But he didn't. Because voters, fairly overwhelmingly, rejected what he was offering.
Bernie hasn't been touched yet. Give me $1 million and two weeks, and I could tank his favorables without breaking a sweat. I could go on about him going to the USSR for his honeymoon. How he praised Castro. How he said bread lines were a good thing. How he wanted to take over the televisions stations. How he visited the Sandinsta. And this is just the stuff we know about!
Officerrob
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That would be great for Bernie, if it was February
Heavy_D206
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I'm talking way past Hillary or Trump, I think Bernie's ideas can shape the future 50-100 years from now.
The more TV time he gets the better we all are for it. That's all I'm saying.
Oh god, have Adam Sandler moderate it.
I used to love the hell out of Bernie but he's being foolish.
Criticism of Bernie is warranted and very well deserved. The will of the people has spoken too, with Hillary having over three million more votes than him. If he can't beat her, then he likely wouldn't fare well against Trump considering he's the least vetted of the three.
Criticism of Bernie is warranted and very well deserved. The will of the people has spoken too, with Hillary having over three million more votes than him. If he can't beat her, then he likely wouldn't fare well against Trump considering he's the least vetted of the three.
The hostility and division on show here is highly evocative of the same type of hostility in Australian politics between the Labor Party and the Greens.
The sense of entitlement that Hillary supporters (and by extension, the Australian Labor party) have had from Day 1 has been really off-putting. They just sort of expect progressives to vote for them and are outraged at the temerity from a more left candidate running.
I think Hillary should of course be supported and it's obviously prudent that Sanders withdraw, but don't pretend that this forum in particular ever gave him a fair shake, the disdain has been clear for a very long time.
The sense of entitlement that Hillary supporters (and by extension, the Australian Labor party) have had from Day 1 has been really off-putting. They just sort of expect progressives to vote for them and are outraged at the temerity from a more left candidate running.
I think Hillary should of course be supported and it's obviously prudent that Sanders withdraw, but don't pretend that this forum in particular ever gave him a fair shake, the disdain has been clear for a very long time.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Um, Bernie supporter here.
But this "she'll have the votes anyway so I won't vote" bullshit is bullshit.
HUELEN10
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No, things used to be either nastier and to the point, or fresh and fun.
I miss the days when Clinton (the one who actually became president) played the Sax on that show.
Yeah, this wasn't the best time to cause discord within the party, but I feel like its something that was just waiting to happen. I mean Obama had the same rhetoric as Bernie really (Obama was just better at campaigning and articulating) with the "hope" and "change" stuff. Instead we got drone strikes and TPP, and its stuff like this that causes people to loose faith in the establishment, so they turn to someone outside the system.
Point is, this schism has been years in the making. Its regrettable that it has to happen on the eve of a potential President Trump, but I think someone like Bernie was bound to happen.
Livingskeletons
If I pulled that off, would you die?
Might have to invest some cash in Orville Redenbacher.
Vestal
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Because how the fuck do you consider yourself a liberal, hell a human being and want to vote for a such a piece of human shit as Trump cause your Bernie lost?
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The Autumn Wind
No, because candidates aren't usually this vindictive, stubborn, or stupid.
I'd say what I think about his supporters too, but it'd probably get me banned. Of course, their posts in these threads speak for themselves.
I didn't vote for Bernie Sanders because of debate quality/frequency and neither did you. Don't be a liar. I'm trying to engage with you honestly.
If you REALLY want to pretend that Bernie stands for "public debate on social and economic issues." (which paints him as literally a person with no conviction) I still honestly don't see how having Donald Trump call people names furthers that issue. How could it?
Unknown Soldier
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Bernie arguing with Trump about who hates the Establishment more for 2 hours.
Yeah, I'll watch this.
Yeah, I'll watch this.
HUELEN10
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Who says I'd want to? Besides, I am no liberal, I am completely independent/NPA, and when I took that political compass, I was dead center.
Something something anti-establishment. Never mind that the two men take drastically different approaches to that.
Some men just wanna see the world burn.
Hillary Clinton has pretty much been the presumptive 2016 nominee since 2008. She should have run away with this nomination no problem, but she hasn't at all and her opponent started from the bottom. Yes, many votes ahead still, but Sanders has been her much more competition than ever expected. If she loses California, maybe she's still the nominee if she's not indicted, but that's bad for her.
FeenixRising
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whyamihere
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