darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
199 for slim, 399 for Scorpio is what I am expecting. 49 for Xbox stick, 99 for Xbox TV and that turn your PC into an Xbox thing.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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199 for slim, 399 for Scorpio is what I am expecting. 49 for Xbox stick, 99 for Xbox TV and that turn your PC into an Xbox thing.
Super_Cobra
Member
Yeah but the Xbox one is getting hammered by the ps4 right now. Sony came off with a huge win with the PS1, that's why the dreamcast never had a chance against the ps2.
MS would have to do something huge if they want to beat the ps4.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
The b3d post said "he didn't precise if it is Xbox One slim or Xbox Next", i'm not sure why anyone could think Xbox Next is possible release shortly later lol.
Caipirinha
Member
Isn't thi a bit of a non-story? Why would a console being released at year or more after one console be weaker?
If both the Neo and Scorpio were releasing at the same time, then a 20% difference would be significant, but if its releasing 12+ months after, then it's to be expected?
I mean I assume that any consumer laptop released 12 months from now will be roughly 20% faster than current models, it doesn't mean that models today are not going to sell because everybody is waiting for that predictable upgrade down the line.
If both the Neo and Scorpio were releasing at the same time, then a 20% difference would be significant, but if its releasing 12+ months after, then it's to be expected?
I mean I assume that any consumer laptop released 12 months from now will be roughly 20% faster than current models, it doesn't mean that models today are not going to sell because everybody is waiting for that predictable upgrade down the line.
justsomeguy
Member
As I put in another thread:
Go look at the NEO threads where plenty of devs said they thought it is a fine idea.
a few sources:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1213419
On the NEO rumours:
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Queen of Hunting
Unconfirmed Member
Oh fuck off with another no man sky delay
Scorpio!
He'll sting you with his dreams of power and wealth.
Beware of Scorpio!
His twisted UWP obsessions are his plot to rule the world
And his userbases' health.
He'll welcome you into his store
Like the nobleman welcomes his guest
With 6 teraflops and Oculus Rift support that helps you invest!
But beware of his games with gold
Plus two backwards compatible games with them
And on Fridays, theres crossplay with Xbox and Windows 10!
He loves Windows 10!
He'll sting you with his dreams of power and wealth.
Beware of Scorpio!
His twisted UWP obsessions are his plot to rule the world
And his userbases' health.
He'll welcome you into his store
Like the nobleman welcomes his guest
With 6 teraflops and Oculus Rift support that helps you invest!
But beware of his games with gold
Plus two backwards compatible games with them
And on Fridays, theres crossplay with Xbox and Windows 10!
He loves Windows 10!
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Feeling mixed about PS4 Neo as compared to Scorpio it's a lukewarm update now 
Obscuritas
Member
How can Scorpio be a PC if it will still remain a closed platform (with Xbox Live subs too)?
Quite contradictory, I'd say.
UnforgivenTwin
Member
Just wait until Sony's Neo successor blows the scorpion out of the water!Feeling mixed about PS4 Neo as compared to Scorpio it's a lukewarm update now
Feeling mixed about PS4 Neo as compared to Scorpio it's a lukewarm update now
Think of this way, if PS4 Neo comes out this year and Xbox Scorpio next year then Sony will have to respond with an even more powerful console 6 months after that console release! Win win for everyone
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
We know how this works. They will work on the higher specs and just cut features and resolution until it barely runs on the lower spec.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I don't think anyone thinks the Scorpio would release just after E3. I think there is a lot of confusion because of three SKUs. Xbox streamer, Xbox slim and Xbox Scorpio.
One leak says Scorpio will be announced at E3 and another in Spring 2017 but both agree release for late 2017...everyone is running round like headless chickens right now.
The rumour is Xbox One will be forwards compatible. So this wouldn't be a new software gen.
Per EA's comments - and I guess just reasonable speculation - these new systems will be presented as offering tighter hardware iteration but longer software compatibility. That'll be the motivation for this that they'll be presenting.
That said... I think it'll be interesting to hear more specifics about MS's compatibility policy. Already with any VR software the original Xbox One will be left behind, presumably. Will Xbox One forward compatibility be watertight otherwise, for the duration of Scorpion's cycle at least?
That aside, I think it'll be interesting if either MS or Sony or both will choose to level with the audience in an explicit way about the more frequent nature of hardware updates beyond Neo and Scorpion, or will just leave it implied. I mean, will they stand up and set out a roadmap beyond these next boxes and say up front 'from now on, we're going to be iterating more tightly every 2-3 years rather than 5-6 on the hardware side, and this (Neo/Scorpion) is our new flagship for the next 2-3 years?' Or will the just try to keep the focus on one box at a time, and leave it unsaid that new frequest hardware will be the new norm.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
I know i just not sure what he add this part lol.
And personally i think people won't see Scorpio in this E3 if it will release at fall 2017, because they still have 2017 E3 to promo it.
Caipirinha
Member
Feeling mixed about PS4 Neo as compared to Scorpio it's a lukewarm update now
Feeling mixed about Xbox 2 as compared to PS5k
Feeling mixed about PS5k as compared to Xbox 3
Feeling mixed about iPhone 7 as compared to iPhone 8 as compared to iPhone 9 as compared to iPhone 10.. Guess I won't buy any phones or consoles ever again.
Obscuritas
Member
Giving the middle finger to the large majority of consumers who own a PS4/X1?
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense business-wise (in b4 Hyrule Warrior Legends).
Sidewinder
Member
this is very important, because this Scorpio looks , compared to PS4-Neo differences, a much bigger jump, especially for XBO owners , almost a full generation ( 4 years and x4 power more or less) . It is all rumours now, but when they make an official announcement both, sony and MS need to be clear, since compatibility with previous and future games needs to be clear from day one
MilkyJoe
Member
To be fair Neo and Scorpio are going to be around for the next 3.5 to 4 years before the next lot roll around, he's well within his rights to think that, especially with PS VR vs Oculus on the table.
Ehh yes? Not difficulty but effort and support. Id assume for vast majority of gamers, storing a box under your TV that takes care of itself is one of the main selling points.
Flintty
Member
If MS are serious about having multi-tiered graphics in their games (which they seem to be), you can bet they will bundle a tool set with dev kits to automate the optimisation process for the various levels of hardware. In essence, it's no different to developing for PC.
Edit: I suppose one difference is that for the Xbox platform, devs need to cater for and test on a limited number of hardware variations as opposed to potentially hundreds for PCs. Is it as simple as I'm reading it? /shrug.
MilkyJoe
Member
And would they magically have had better graphics resolutions and effects on PS4/Xbone if the Neo & Scorpio didnt exist? Extraordinary...
Oh, so there was a massive marketing push for Xbox One in mainland Europe?
Please tell me more about this amazing marketing push, because any european I've talked with (excluding UK) have seen little to no marketing.
Here's a screenshot from Gamereactor Norway during the tier 2 Xbox One launch:
It says: We wish the new console welcome. If you clicked on on it would unveil the white PS4 with Destiny.
Here's another one from Denmark:
"Welcome to the Game, Love Playstation" placed outside Microsofts HQ in Denmark.
The only way tier 2 has been exposed to the Xbox brand is through 3rd party deals like FIFA, Call of Duty or The Division.
I'm going to make this perfectly clear. How do you expect to sell your product to consumers if they don't know it exist?
Jack The Nipper
Banned
So if the new Xbox was that powerful wouldn't it also need more ram. Doesn't sound like just a performance boost
Also see no reason why an elite console couldn't be very powerful, pricey. With a main system being 3 to 400.
I'm talking about a 600 dollar version for those of us what the full gaming experience
Also see no reason why an elite console couldn't be very powerful, pricey. With a main system being 3 to 400.
I'm talking about a 600 dollar version for those of us what the full gaming experience
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I'm falling back toward my initial response after Patrick Klepeks exclusive Neo article i.e. it didn't make much sense. Then the retail leaks that made even less sense.
Then on top of that a lot of people here and elsewhere are adamant no upgraded consoles will be even mentioned at E3. At least Phil has said he will be telling their "story" at E3 even though it might shoot down all the leaks...
I think 3 years is more likely. 2 is even possible if neither wants to spend too long playing second fiddle to other.
And if Neo precedes Scorpion by a year, it could well be only shortly after Scorpion's launch - relatively - before we start hearing rumblings about the next PS iteration.
The idea that you could wind up in endless procrastination if you think too much about what's around the corner in 12-18 months isn't all that far fetched really.
4x power isn't really a full jump. 8x is more like the norm. This would be a pretty expected mid-gen improvement. The larger gap with XB1 might make things a little more interesting but hopefully MS is clear about compatibility policies.... it doesn't necessarily have to be a problem, the extra power here can easily be spent on dialling up the same existing games rather than requiring a new baseline.
MilkyJoe
Member
There's no reason why they wouldn't
Melchettsmoustache
Member
I'll wait on the edge of my seat to see how powerful these consoles are however I'm pretty much converted now to PC gaming. I genuinely never thought I'd write that at the start of this year.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
But are we talking like 16gb
jimbobsmells
Member
Yeah you might be right there. Let's hope not though.
MilkyJoe
Member
To be honest. I think with the end of traditional generations I think it's the end of the head to head, the bringing out the new console within weeks or months of each other.
It'll be each to their own and if one brings another out a year or 2 later that is more powerful, then the second place customers know their new more powerful box is just around the corner. It's a very comfortable position for customers and manufactures to be in, I'd say.
And?
Yep, agree with this
Oh, so there was a massive marketing push for Xbox One in mainland Europe?
Please tell me more about this amazing marketing push, because any european I've talked with (excluding UK) have seen little to no marketing.
Here's a screenshot from Gamereactor Norway during the tier 2 Xbox One launch:
It says: We wish the new console welcome. If you clicked on on it would unveil the white PS4 with Destiny.
Here's another one from Denmark:
"Welcome to the Game, Love Playstation" placed outside Microsofts HQ in Denmark.
The only way tier 2 has been exposed to the Xbox brand is through 3rd party deals like FIFA, Call of Duty or The Division.
I'm going to make this perfectly clear. How do you expect to sell your product to consumers if they don't know it exist?
I think Microsoft saw the writing on the wall with Xbox One outside of the US and UK. The messy message, tier 2, the European HQ shake up, PS4 on fire. They played it safe while they fixed their mess. Anyone could see they were screwed 100% and the return wasn't worth it then.
This E3, new products, new era will show if they have changed their tune for the rest of the world. They can't be so passive again and have no excuse.
MilkyJoe
Member
Neo that appears to be true
Scorpio, no one has a clue yet. - Unless I missed something whilst I was asleep.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
If Nintendo just makes Nintendo games with basic controller support. On par power with ps4 and at 250. They would do more than fine.
Issue is they won't do any of that
They will be too weak, too pricey and too many gimmicks on hardware and games, very unfortunate
My feeling for Nintendo games hasn't been the same since gamecube, as are a lot of people
Issue is they won't do any of that
They will be too weak, too pricey and too many gimmicks on hardware and games, very unfortunate
My feeling for Nintendo games hasn't been the same since gamecube, as are a lot of people
Obscuritas
Member
At least they'd have well-optimized games on their console instead of bad ports and a pressing wish to become a PC gamer already/quit all this console nonsense.
Yeah, I sort of agree.
If you absolutely need the latest and greatest always, I can see the potential for ongoing performance anxiety.
However, on the other hand, I think for most this would 'disarm' the hardware superiority question... it will never be too long, depending on their platform of choice, before they can get something better again. Users can pick the upgrade cycle that suits them (e.g. maybe every second iteration of a given platform, or maybe even every 3rd if they want something like a traditional 6or7-yearly upgrade schedule), skip intervening ones, as they often do already with other hardware.
MilkyJoe
Member
Could this mean the end of the console wars?????
Nevvvaaarrrr....!!!111!1!!
You seem to have a very bleak outlook... It might not be all doom and gloom, The X1 & PS4 are still closed boxes. Nothing is going to change there.
You could market it like a brand new 9th generation
Or market it like the Xbone+
I think Microsoft would be wise to completely rebrand, I think Sony might stick with the successful PS4 name
We're going to be stuck in some 8.5th gen limbo
justsomeguy
Member
Oi, get your enthusiastic and non-cynical posting out of this thread! 😅
I was just thinking the same thing.
Xbox 360 to Xbox One was 240 to 1300 gigaflops, right?
5x jump vs 4x jump isn't that much of a difference.
So they decided to give PlayStation a freebie while at the same they time devalue their Xbox brand.
Sounds like solid strategy.
And dozens of pc configurations... Tell us, which devs from which studios were angry.