Precisely. If Neo launches at the end of this year and starts selling like the original PS4 did, we could easily be looking at 60-80 million PS4 Family install base by the time Scorpio hits. It'll be very hard for Microsoft to convince these people who've already amassed a digital library to come over to the Xbox side in that case.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Precisely. If Neo launches at the end of this year and starts selling like the original PS4 did, we could easily be looking at 60-80 million PS4 Family install base by the time Scorpio hits. It'll be very hard for Microsoft to convince these people who've already amassed a digital library to come over to the Xbox side in that case.
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Queen of Hunting
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Still waiting for someone who is saying this is a bad idea. to give me a decent argument against my point off
When steam machines were announced people praised valve as yes taking over the home console market.
How are these new x yearly machines different to steam machines that got lots of good rave ?
When steam machines were announced people praised valve as yes taking over the home console market.
How are these new x yearly machines different to steam machines that got lots of good rave ?
CrispyBoar
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This is a big, valid issue in which most people in this thread didn't think about.
Here's the problem: The majority of the world doesn't own 4K TV's, nor do they plan to anytime soon. Most people are just now getting into Native 1080p HDTV's.
SplitYourInfinities
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This thread:
Now that I think about it and re-examine it, I think because digital games have took off so much, ecosystem attachment might have just accelerated tenfold compared to last-gen, so they'll need to try and be persuasive as hell.
you want him to bank on UWP ? what if they all run like shit on pc ?
Here's my prediction.
PS4 and Xbox One will be the "Low" configuration of games while Neo and Scorpio will be the "High" configuration of games. They will advertise the new systems as new consoles instead of upgrades but list them as backwards compatible.
I personally do feel that the new systems will have exclusive games at one point. It's basically the New 3DS. The extra power will boost the "Low" end games while the higher power means they can put out some exclusives. I know people are worried this will kill the previous generation but it is actually the opposite. This is the best way to bridge to a new generation. It extends the life of the One and PS4 by backwards compatibility, but it also opens up possibilities to a new generation by the sheer (4x!) improvement in power. The Xbox One and PS4 architecture are pretty much PCs, the idea of a "generation" may be done because we may be moving to a future of endless compatibility.
PS4 and Xbox One will be the "Low" configuration of games while Neo and Scorpio will be the "High" configuration of games. They will advertise the new systems as new consoles instead of upgrades but list them as backwards compatible.
I personally do feel that the new systems will have exclusive games at one point. It's basically the New 3DS. The extra power will boost the "Low" end games while the higher power means they can put out some exclusives. I know people are worried this will kill the previous generation but it is actually the opposite. This is the best way to bridge to a new generation. It extends the life of the One and PS4 by backwards compatibility, but it also opens up possibilities to a new generation by the sheer (4x!) improvement in power. The Xbox One and PS4 architecture are pretty much PCs, the idea of a "generation" may be done because we may be moving to a future of endless compatibility.
Opus Angelorum
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I'm not so sure brand loyalty is as strong today as it used to be, that was evident from the amount of people dropping Xbox 360 for the PS4.
The Xbox One slim will be the budget model if I'm understanding their strategy correct.
So Slim and Scorpio will co-exsist for a while. Same games, just prettier on Scorpio and high-end PC's.
Subtle, I like it.
Going forward the orignial Xbone will be a bottleneck if the games will have to be mostly the same.
ThoseDeafMutes
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You're speaking in generalities, it's only hypocritical if it's the same people saying these things.
I just posted but this digitals REALLY taken off recently, now that could be a problem for Microsoft if most people have invested mainly digital in a PS4.
Physical copies, eh just trade em in, but digital seems far more cemented. It might be similar to people struggling to move from iOS to Android
DagnastyEp
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I think we'll have to wait and see how Scorpio upgrades CPU and RAM, along with the rumored ~6TF GPU. If both of those also get similar boosts as the GPU is getting, that's closer to a full new gen (in my mind). Compared with PS4 NEO, where CPU and RAM are rumored to be largely the same as PS4, with boosts in speed.
CrispyBoar
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The Neo & the Scorpio aren't new consoles, just upgrades.
People that have been on PS4 for such a long time aren't going to easily go & say, "Wow, the Scorpio is more powerful than the Neo, let's abandon everything that we've done with PS4 & go on that!".
anothertech
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Calling it now: Sony going to pull a 'oh you thought it was 4x the performance? It's actually 8x the performance' and MS thrown under the bus again...
SymbiantXenos
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I'll buy any new console on release like I always do.
Shin Johnpv
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Fuck this incremental hardware increase shit.
I mean, what sort of question is that? UWP is PART of the problem, but Microsoft is comitting itself to solving the issues on their PC side- IE incorporating G-Sync into games, offering fullscreen modes etc.
Any one who has a passing interesting in building a PC and is interested in Xbox properties would be wise to ditch the console and go full blown PC. Microsoft will sell you their content, profit off you, and additionally- consider you an Xbox consumer as long as you purchase something off the windows store. You effectively get access to PC/Steam exclusives AND Xbox titles simultaneously.
If I own a PC, or am planning to build one, there is no overhwleming urgency for me to go to Scorpio. I'd say the same thing if Sony began putting first party titles like Uncharted 4 on PC as well.
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Queen of Hunting
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Even as a general how is this different to steam machines tho ?
Haha it reminds me of when kids have a pretend superhero fight and one does his most powerful-est move ever but the other kid suddenly has a mega forcefield that blocks everything
Green Yoshi
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Or 792p/20 fps because devs don't have the manpower to optimise their games for six platforms (One, Scorpio, PS4, Neo, NX, PC).
The reason Xbox 360 owners didn't transition over to Xbox One was for a MULTITUDE of reasons- the least of which was "power". It had more to do with - messaging, poor marketing, no backwards compatibility at launch, and a 100 dollar more price tag when both machines launched simulatenously.
You will be HARD pressed to convince gamers who have a Level 330 Titan in Destiny on PS4 to somehow make the transition to Xbox Scorpio because it has a 25% performance advantage when all his or her friends are on one box, and that one box has the largest player base of any console ecosystem today.
THE:MILKMAN
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I'm thinking Neo is a slim with more power that Sony won't 'big up' too much. There is nothing in the leaks to suggest there are two (or three!) SKUs for Sony unlike Microsoft.
But then again I'm so confused right now I don't know what I believe.
TLZ
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mangochutney
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It isn't a big in bold issue.
Look how many tens of millions had 360s, with large digital libraries.
Yes digital has grown, but it was still a sizeable chunk of purchases as this generation launched.
But people switched to PS. Same can happen again. In fact, now that Xbox has BC for some titles people might think, oh let's switch back and reclaim some of those titles I lost from last gen.
I can't believe that. Globally Microsoft doesn't have such a strong presence anymore
But brand loyalty argument can be thrown away. Useless lol as demonstrated by last generation
Why do people forget so quickly, this was the same argument people used last gen for Xbox and it changed...
Seeing as how these leaks all smashed the internet at the same time in succession supporting each other, I think theres some degree of absolute truth
I'm not sure if the right idiom is "wheres theres smoke theres fire" or if thats too negative
justsomeguy
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6 TF is 50% more than 4 TF. That's a way bigger carrot than 25%. It's, like, 100% more than 25%. The rest of your post is on point though. Some/lots of those players will also have XBLive identities though from the 360 days. It's a start. But yeah a huge mountain to climb.
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50%! Why the constant downplaying?
I kind of doubt we'll be getting 32GB of RAM here. Even that would be a relatively small RAM improvement. 8x-16x intergenerational jumps in RAM capacity has been the trend to date! And large jumps in bandwidth too.
I think you might get CPU improvements, but CPUs are a relatively modest part of the power equation these days, and are no longer scaling between even full generations the way they once did, or in the way GPU and memory still are.
Depending on whether you use PS4 or XB1 as your baseline of comparison, these consoles are coming up on around half of what you might normally expect out of a typical full transition in processing power, and probably less on the memory side. To me that's precisely what you'd expect for a 3 year refresh.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Valve entering the console market with Steam Machines opened up the possibility of an open platform competing in a ecosystem traditionally composed of closed platforms.
If it had worked (or if it one day works) it would have been a true shift in the way the market operates, as opposed to the existing players just shuffling around their release schedules.
Nah it was crap as it gets I admit I just wanted to selfishly beat others to the punch
Yellowflashdude
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lol this would basically force xbox loyalist to abandon the current xbox. Nobody wants to settle for the likely to be ass xbone port given the power disparity. It might as well be a new generation.
The same gap exists today between Xbox One and PlayStation 4. The point i'm making is that sort of gap will not convince an overwhelming majority of people locked into an ecosystem to ditch their digital library, achievements/trophies, and friends behind. The Scorpio however will do, what the Xbox One couldn't do, and that is offer a system with gaming and power squarely in mind.
This other issue is- Microsoft might launch a console an entire year later that is 6 TF, but we all know Sony will than release a system two years later that is 10 TF- and this never-ending circus of power will officially become a carousel.
Someone said it earlier, MS and Sony will effectively trade blows on a 2/3 year basis when it comes to performance.
Funny you say that...
CrispyBoar
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Once again, the Scorpio & the Neo aren't next gen consoles.
Second, just because that the Scorpio might be a lot more powerful than the Neo, doesn't mean that 3rd party publishers/developers are going to take full advantage of the upgraded console. The same will go for Neo.
All they'll be looking at, are the install bases between Xbox One & PS4 & will just continue to make PS4 versions of games the lead/base platform while giving the other version(s) of multiplatform games small upgrades, especially when working between 4 platforms.
LostDonkey
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What if....the Xbox one two is already inside the Xbox one....
And Sony knew all along....
Direct X 12...One Two Xbox One Two....Xbox 12!!!
GAF I've cracked it!!!!
And Sony knew all along....
Direct X 12...One Two Xbox One Two....Xbox 12!!!
GAF I've cracked it!!!!
Obscuritas
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That's because historically Sony always had the stronger brand between the two.
You could clearly see the "brand loyalty" effect when PS3 was a disaster and was still selling fine around the world.
You're arguing about numbers of hardware we know nothing about but sheer numbers pulled out of thin air.
//DEVIL//
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Steam machine are considered a low end PC. Neo and Scorpio are considered high tech.
I don't think people will be pissed off about their PS4 / Xbox one console purchase if MS / Sony announced a dumped down version of their current console for cheaper ( no blue ray drive for example ).
These people kinda have the rights to be pissed off when they bought their console like 2 months ago, just to find out a new hardware for as much as probably a 100$ more is coming out less than 6 months from now. It's kinda annoying for the young generation that doesn't have much income or have to work really hard to save money for games.
Its almost the same for those PC gamers who bought GTX Titan X or GTX 980ti few months ago just to find out a 350$ card will perform better.
There is no such a thing as future proof anymore with this industry. People need to accept that. gone are the days when you buy a PS3 in 2006 and expect not to change hardware till 2013.
Personally, my only grip was the backward compatibility. I have an awesome PS3 collection that I can't play right now because my PS3 isn't hooked up and I can't play them on my PS4. Investing in a gaming library is much more expensive than a stupid 300$ box. too bad many people don't see that .
I don't give a shit if they release a new system every year. as long as it lets me play the games i currently have, then I am ok with it. the better the games load / play the better experience i have.
in fact, backward compatibility was one of the reason i started switching slowly to PC gaming after the PS4 was released. i already have like 60 games on my PC that i can play any time i want on any hardware i want. MS and Sony are starting to understand this. ( at least i hope they are, otherwise i will continue to slowly shift to PC till i leave the console for good outside of some exclusives )
anothertech
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MilkyJoe
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And a better controller....
The whole tread is based on speculation, don't be a silly billy
MatrixMan.EXE
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I can see it happening already. I remember how Xbox One was supposed to destroy PS4 specs and we all saw what ended up happening. I imagine if Xbox Two is more powerful than Neo, it won't be by much, and the rumoured Neo specs are falling short of what Sony is actually putting into the machine.
justsomeguy
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