The bolded is true for me. I amassed about a 60+ game library across both digital and physical on 360, and was 360/PC only for that whole generation. All the DRM nonsense, PS4's lower price, media centric focus, as well as tone deaf PR statements on top of MS neglecting nearly everything else for kinect late in the 360's life made me abandon that investment.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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The bolded is true for me. I amassed about a 60+ game library across both digital and physical on 360, and was 360/PC only for that whole generation. All the DRM nonsense, PS4's lower price, media centric focus, as well as tone deaf PR statements on top of MS neglecting nearly everything else for kinect late in the 360's life made me abandon that investment.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Those people like me will still be buying console because of the friend. Power doesnt really matter.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah but for those Devs to be of any use MS needs to give them the freedom to branch out. They might never get that chance because MS refused to allow any IP exploration when they had the time. So now with those IPs diminishing do they take the risk on something new or keep tapping a well that is quickly drying out.
MilkyJoe
Member
Yeah I bought the xbox cause of the controller. The Controller is always the king reason for me.
Ok, let me rephrase this...Dear fellow European Gaffers and potential Scorpio buyers, be warned! Don't buy Scorpio at launch! Price will go down quickly!
Do you hear me Jacques, Fritz, Mateo and Diego?
Maintenance
Member
Oh sure, a few will really do that, but if I could bet I would say things will change in DF threads.
Can't wait for websites like ArsTechinca to put articles like "Why power does matter" too.
Here's a bigger question for you: how invested are you in the PlayStation ecosystem? Could 50% more power a year later convince you to throw away your trophies, digital purchases, friends, and investment into the platform?
Because the more I think about it, whenever people suggest people will move en masse to Xbox Scorpio, I doubt many will be optimistic about abandoning a platform where they are first and foremost- interconnected.
Nemesis121
Member
They want to see if console gamers are willing to upgrade as often as PC gamers..
oldergamer
Member
are you kidding? Have you not seen PC games? Essentially what you are boiling this down to, is the power gap will make a difference only if it's smaller? that doesn't make sense at all.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Whats the difference between Rare making Sea of Thieves and Platinum making Scalebound.
Are 1st party developers more important or critical then 1st party games?
Lol Wouldn't surprise me at this point. "Why the Scorpio's power changes everything" by Gamespot.
You've got to remember, it's Polygon. So it's probably more like 3.2 TFLOPs and they're giving it the 'xbox lean'...
Urgh, I don't want to see the Ars article...
I don't see an issue here, and really with the amount of second party developers they're working with for upcoming project I don't see it as a problem. It's not an issue right now or for the forseeable future, but it IS an issue longterm and not something MS should be relying on.
But you can't rely on second parties all the time, they aren't always going to be available or even want to make games for your platform for whatever reason. Having first party studios helps with this as they're always available to make games and basically do whatever you tell them to do.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Apparently thats how GAF feels. Most people completely dismisses games like QB, Sunset, Ryse, Scalebound etc. All these new IP but not by MS owned studio so some how they are inferior to Sony's output and all MS ever puts out is Forza, Halo, Gears lol
Bits N Pieces
Member
Its all just hypotheticals. Ive flip flopped between Nintendo, Sega, Sony and Microsoft over the years when they have all released consoles and it has come down to way more than 'ecosystem'.
Cost, upcoming games, overall message > ecosystem. For me anyway.
Didn't a good number of those 360 players leave their extensive Gamerscore (since it started in that gen), digital purchases (which are slowly coming back with BC), and friends? Yes, I understand that with PS4K that it's not resetting anything but at the same time, it's not like it's a new gen (or ever will be). It's going to take more time than 3 years for majority of people to leave because of the reasons you mentioned when a lot of those people left after 7 years of their "ecosystem".
I think if anything, more people will actually buy the other system since they already own the other system and all the games will still come out for it. Get the other system (or PC) to get its exclusives. There are less reasons for the majority to upgrade. It's not like a phone where people are on plans and such. You'll see people keep what they have and maybe get what they don't. PS4K, Scorpio won't move as many units to existing users, it will most likely appeal to new users because they don't have the previous version or the other system. That's how I look at it anyways.
In Service
Member
This is probably right but once Sony announced their news it opened the door to this type of test.
I'm bought into the MS ecosystem so I'm not interested in the new PS4 but I would be interested in a new MS console. I am their target audience for this type of test.
Didn't ol girl come out and basically Say NX won't be competing with even Xbone and PS4's power?
I call my consoles fun coupons...
Lol Get this confirmation bias out of here.
th4tguy
Gold Member
No, they want to see if we upgrade as often as smart phone and tablet users.
replace "hope" with "dream" and we're good...
unless NX (stationary console) is sold at 150$, XboxOne power level, has great games from the start and decent 3rd party support the thing is a dead man walking on day 1.
phant0m
Member
I think 5 year cycles would be appropriate..the 8 years of gen 7 was way too fucking long.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Power only matters when your brand has the most powerful console.
gollumsluvslave
Member
I suppose the question is how can Sony possibly fuck up, especially with Cerny driving the ship and everything he got right with PS4?
Only things I can see are:-
+ Alienating PS4 owners with PS4K 'upgrade'. but it looks like MS are on the same trajectory, and this is a single thing.
+ Going full on VR and neglecting/botching the PS5 as a result
But these are far fetched and only a small thing. After the Xbone launch fiasco I can't see any way Sony would make similar mistakes to PS3 in any way shape or form.
And that only leaves totally new mistakes, that are unforseen. They just need to play it safe and follow the blueprint that the PS4 has laid out.
No. I wouldn't just quit sony/playstation at the drop of a hat over a power increase of any amount. It took a lot of things Microsoft did over time for me to walk away from their platform. It sounds like something only a very specific group of people would do for power alone.
Bitch Pudding
Member
+ right now, they ran out of system sellers like Halo 3 back in the day.
+ a (Win10) gaming PC is still a quite powerful substitute to play XBOX games. I for one would rather upgrade my PC than spend 500 bucks for a console which doesn't run MS Office...
Concerning VR, this "we bring Oculus to XBOX" move is a little late. VR is an expensive stuff and there is basically no market for a "2nd VR gear", like there is for a cheao 2nd console
they aren't strong new IP though, average/good games at best... the only great games that MS output this gen are Forza one, Gears 4 looks to be great too but they're missing something new and huge...
Sony has some bad new IP like The Order or Knacks but Have game like bloodborne, until Dawn, Horizon, No Man Sky etc...
gaming_noob
Member
Cool. You keep looking forward to that then.
No there wasn't that much in mainland Europe. Why? because this happened before its release there
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/report-microsoft-planning-massive-layoffs-xbox-mar/1100-6421121/
http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-layoffs-slash-european-xbox-division
want to know why?
ROI
contrary to what some people believe MS "warchest" is not some endless tap they just keep on. With that said a PS4 banner outside MS HQ isn't exactly massive marketing in comparison, there were still ads from xbox in mainland Europe on sites and on billboards but it was clear that MS were not invested in Europe when the product you speak of actually didn't exist there until a year later. If they were willing to invest money (with the layoffs late/delayed release it's pretty clear they weren't because the product wasn't doing well) they should have spent it on making the product actually exist there like they originally planned while there was global buzz not on advertising a year later. They knew that marketing there would be wasted money.
Salty Rice
Member
Maybe we can play now 1080p games on Xbox instead of 720p/900p games.
Which seems like a plus for Microsoft because people can buy that VR headset and know that it can be used on both PC and Xbox.
Holy shit
Stallion Dan
Member
Games take too long to make now for short gens. When in order for a game to not be either lacking content or a technical mess it needs ~3 years, a 5 year gen is a joke.
SlipperyFishes
Banned
NMS isn't exclusive. It's a console debut.
Salty Rice
Member
What? Most games were 900p so far. Am i wrong?
Here's the thing though. Are people going to buy an upgrade/ a new console for Ultra settings only vs. high settings on their current machines? We all agree/expect cross plattform development, so games are not going to be THAT different. As someone who just recently bought a PC...I don't see average Joe's loosing their shit over the high vs. ultra difference if they have to spend another 400-500$. If on the other hand 60FPS really was a selling point than the whole industry is run by jerks, because they went with graphical fidelity for the last 10+ years. 4K is too early, because the majority needs to upgrade their TVs first.
It has been confirmed to be console exclusive last e3.
Outrun
Member
DF threads are gonna be interesting.
jeff_rigby
Banned
Two years after Tier 3 in 2019 both should have consoles (Tier 4) with about the same 10 TF performance.
Year 2013 - 2017 - 2019
PS4 1.8 TF, 4 TF, 10 TF
XB1 1.3 TF, 6 TF, 10 TF
Wait... Jeff your saying Scorpio will only be the flagship for 2 years
? That would be awfully truncated.And what excuse will those people employ who always stated power matters?
No I was agreeing lol. I just found it funny.
Clarkus Darkus
Member
Well i switched to the 360 from ps2, Then to the ps4 from the 360. Doesn't matter how powerful it will be, I'm not switching back again, Just to play Halo 7 or Gears 5. They need new games that appeal to me, Not a new console that has a better chance to run Multi-plat games better.
Also i get all games( new/old ) half price on PSN( primary account trick me and my bro use)
Also i get all games( new/old ) half price on PSN( primary account trick me and my bro use)