pretty sure you could do that "trick" on Xbox one too
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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pretty sure you could do that "trick" on Xbox one too
"hey I'm buying this console because of my friends and the controller"
What is Sony stopping from releasing PS5 in 2018?
People act as if Sony is now locked into a 3 year cycle, just because that's acceptable for them. Anything can happen...things are going to get crazy.
If the "MS being caught off guard" rumours a true, Sony can plan and announce
a new console whenever they see fit...then launch one year later.
If having the flagship really moves the needle for MS, Sony will counter them in late 2018.
Mr Reasonable
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Sony would have put "console exclusive" on screen not "console debut" if that was the case.
I don't think the majority are. I think the largest amount of consumers (even myself) are going to keep their current machine (I may upgrade, but maybe not at launch). I do think that there will be a good number of people who will get the other system for exclusives. But all in all, I don't think these newer systems are going to come out in big numbers as the current systems have. Obviously there will be early adopters but I think it will take sometime before people truly upgrade. I don't have a 4K tv or monitor, nor does 900p vs 1080p matter that much to me. I care more about games/gameplay than anything so these new powerful systems don't do much for me. I do however want a more responsive Xbox One. LOL
EDIT: The thing that will truly move gamers to another console are great games. Period. All that other mess is really nonsense. You have to have good games to get people to buy into your hardware, it's really that simple.
MilkyJoe
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Either in your early life or immortal ....
Games can start development a gen before. But it doesnt matter anymore. Going forwards console generations are not happening. So...
Coulomb_Barrier
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Point is there are no games, as everything will be on PC. So how they are gonna sell this thing is a curiosity.
Obscuritas
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Yeah, it's like we are debating about two console of which we don't know pretty much anything, when we already have the Scorpio-killer and the Neo-obfuscator right in front of our eyes.
Clarkus Darkus
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Really? We only use 1 sub aswell so if it's the same on Xbox then it's defo more interesting as it's a well worth trick for cheaper games.
Maintenance
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MilkyJoe
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Can we stop with this PC argument. There are a multitude of people that have no interest in PC gaming, regardless of the power, the games available etc... No matter how easy people say it is to move over to PC it will never be as convenient as picking up a controller and off you go.
justsomeguy
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Power DOES matter to a lot of people.
Investment in ecosystem/other factors DO matter to a lot of people.
It's not either/or, it's a trade off between the two.
I almost got a PS4 at the start of the gen because of the power difference. I stayed on Xbox in the end because it's where my friends were and "I'm an xbox guy" just like others are PS fans *shrug*.
For some, they'll never shift primary platform, whatever the power gap (I'm close to that, I guess).
For some, they'll go where the power is.
As an Xbox fan it'll be bloody great to have the most powerful machine if it turns out that way.
edit: we can only hope that some of those blinkered "LOL you like the controller, and the long battery life it has, and the silent box, but you don't have all the pixels!!!" people will realise there's more to life, when you're playing on a 32" screen six feet away
We've already seen what happens when the Xbox system is the most powerful machine twice (Xbox, Xbox 360).
Wishmaster92
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You forgot to mention big budget exclusives. Especially on ps4.
gaming_noob
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360 was amazing for the first 4-5 years.
MilkyJoe
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I don't think PS4 has a place in a "why would you choose xbox over PC if all the same games are on PC" argument
X360 wasn't the most powerful console last-gen.
They put console exclusive the last time they released a trailer for no mans sky. It used to be console debut but not anymore is what I am saying. Let me see if I can find the trailer
Obscuritas
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Closed platform vs open platform
Will I be able to use my Steam/gog/origin account on Scorpio bypassing the W10 store?
Will I be able to play online without a Xbox Live sub?
Will I be able to install every mod I want?
Will I be able to change my games's specs or to upgrade selectively my Scorpio machine?
You get the point. This Xbox=PC=SteamMachine is pure nonsense.
That's arguable.
AnthonypUK
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its changed see trailer from Paris Games week..it now says "console exclusive"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBERVWYa-1Y
Watch till the end,
Price.
Nope. It's a fact.
Sidewinder
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And people were laughing when arrogant Sony expected gamers to get a 2nd job for the PS3, guess how many jobs you'll need to keep up with Playstation and PSVR!!1 Crazy Ken will laugh his ass off behind the E3 curtains.
Yeah, but this seems to be the bigger problem for MS right now. Sony has just released the true system seller of this gen and MS's flagship IP has been released last year and did nothing for them. Let's be realistic here, none of the titles in MS's pipeline is going to make people jump ship. Unless they have secretly built 3-4 studios one or two years ago, I don't expect any huge surprises down the road...Moneyhatting is not an option. Next Halo will probably be ready when the next iteration is already on the horizon. Once again, they could release a new console every year, but what's the point when AAA games take 3 years to develop? Add the fact that without gens there will be no more 1st party exclusives that are developed only with the technological leap in mind.
I totally agree that Scorpio is targeted at the hardcore audience, but you'll have to ask yourself why MS is doing this. If XboxOne falls further behind and expectations for Scorpio
sales are rather low...that doesn't work with their selling subs and services agenda to the masses. Would you agree with me that MS really is keeping their expectations in check with this one?:
- primary focus on W10 and PC
- Xbox hw just to pick up some extra users (something between 10-20m LTD sales for each new hardware iteration if we are talking about 3 year cycles)
The PS3 had overall more flops. It was just not a good architecture in whole.
BruceLeeRoy
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You can't have your head in the sand about this. Are you trying to tell me you think MS committing their first party resources to the same exhaustive well that is Forza, Gears, and Halo year after year after year is the same as Sony creating - Crash / Jak and Daxter / Uncharted / TLOU. | Twisted Metal / God of War / Destroy All Monsters / | Medievil / Syphon Filter / Unannounced new ip | Killzone / Horizon | Sly / Infamous / Unannounced new ip | Ico / Shadow of the Colossus / TLG / Puppeteer / Gravity Rush.
Plus on top of that they leverage 3rd party in the same way MS does.
MS got lucky last gen with the Gears of War franchise and they figured the same thing would work this gen with Titanfall. Pushing the Coalition to Gears struck me as a move of desperation when it happened because of Titanfall failing to be the next big thing. In the end they are trying to make lightning strike twice by committing the majority of resources to their established properties and hoping one of the 3rd party devs strike gold for them.
Inglorious_ Man
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I think the most interesting thing in all of this is the possibility of Oculus Rift support for the Xbox Scorpio. If this happens along with the PSVR it will help with getting more VR headsets sold to consumers.
The Jackdog
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its actually easier on the xbox, you can both have your own profiles and play eachothers games
The Jackdog
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dude, that list is whack. some of the games you mentioned had one game 2 console generations ago. thats the most selective comparison ive seen.
CircleOfFire
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I think these groups are quite small, from mostly anecdotal evidence (albeit that correlates with sales) the main factors seem to be games and friends. With maybe "not being a dick" a slightly further away third.
figures that as a PC gamer primarily I finally went and bought a PS4 last year (for Bloodborne and Uncharted 4) and now for the first time ever both major consoles are getting refreshes...ridiculous...one of the main advantages of a console over PC was that you didn't need to upgrade every 2 years or so...now all that's out the window
I wonder if VR didn't exist if we would still be getting these console refreshes
I wonder if VR didn't exist if we would still be getting these console refreshes
Lol. You almost got me there.
In this regard MS really is a big clumsy elefant. They lived happily with the shooters-everywhere-boom last gen and thought this would last forever - see Titanfall. The problem is that some people have become fed up with this genre and the competition has silently taken over the title of being the go-to plattform to play the new and hot shooter games (Destiny).
thelastword
Banned
No it's not, PS3 was more powerful.
As for the OP, a 6TFlop xbox?, but at what cost to consumers? How much will MS charge for it. If Sony goes for a 4.14 TF unit and MS has 6.0TF console, will MS charge $600 for it against PS4 Neo's at $400?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
In what way?
Its to prove the company philosophy.
What was that one game that Bungie made after Halo 1....Man you know the one it was right before Halo 2..Man its killing me I can't remember what it was.
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I... I think I see what you did here :-O