Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Not really...outside of the game enthusiast bubble, people don't care about PC gaming at all. They will sell to those people like they always have.
Not technically.
But it took 5 years for us to see it because the system was so complicated to develop for.
The first years the 360 was defacto "more powerful"
Jack The Nipper
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I felt microsoft would either give up on games or drop out the one complete. Looking more likely they will drop the xone faster than not.
And thier lack of games and annoucement has been a sigh of this to me for a while
I really believe like some it's a new box that plays all xone games as well
And they will try to keep Xbox one going a bit but mostly through third party.
I don't imagine they will have games on it at all in 2018 from ms studios. Another four year cycle after the incredibly long last gen.
It's funny how Nintendo really needed to do this ten times more than microsoft yet they didn't even drop the damn pad out of the box and price reduce it properly.
Nintwndo is easily the one who could have easily turned thier ship around most. Microsoft made more changes one in a day than Nintendo did with wii u period. The choice to take out Kinect shows that. Why the hell n stocks to it is just bad business
And thier lack of games and annoucement has been a sigh of this to me for a while
I really believe like some it's a new box that plays all xone games as well
And they will try to keep Xbox one going a bit but mostly through third party.
I don't imagine they will have games on it at all in 2018 from ms studios. Another four year cycle after the incredibly long last gen.
It's funny how Nintendo really needed to do this ten times more than microsoft yet they didn't even drop the damn pad out of the box and price reduce it properly.
Nintwndo is easily the one who could have easily turned thier ship around most. Microsoft made more changes one in a day than Nintendo did with wii u period. The choice to take out Kinect shows that. Why the hell n stocks to it is just bad business
Not if it releases 8-12 months later than Neo. They'll both be in the same ballpark price wise.
Honestly, while this Scorpio news might be great for a handful of people, I can't envision it moving the needle globally. Xbox is essentially a dead brand outside of North America. Microsoft could release a 400 TF machine with a slew of console exclusives and no one will buy it in Asia or Europe.
MilkyJoe
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Pretty huge in the UK..
For all we know the Xbox Two will be released 9-12 months after the PS4 Neo.
So it´s no problem to bring it for the same price as the PS4 Neo and have ~30% faster hardware.
Alpha Phoenix
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Exactly.
BruceLeeRoy
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That normally happens when I combine dayquil and niquil.
LukasTaves
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The differences will likely be all visual, but it doesn't mean it will be small. Though I suspect it will be in line with current PC version of the games, with most of the extra power being used to improve resolution and framerate and the actual improvements in visual fidelity while noticeable are not that big.
But I think it will be a long time until xbone and Ps4 are so outdated that they would limit games.
Microsoft usually saves everything for E3 and Gamescom. So while it's dry now, they always show a lot at E3.
Opus Angelorum
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The same was said for the original Xbox.
those 'superficial' changes will be huge...that's the main reason people upgrade their PC's or console- to get better graphics and performance...no one upgrades their system to get better 'gameplay'...gameplay is a constant no matter if you're playing on an Atari 2600 or a PS4
Ok, outside of North America and United American Kingdom.
I'd love to be wrong, because strong competition brings innovation, great new franchises and better prices, but Mattrick essentially destroyed the Xbox divison three years ago. If they somehow recover, it will be a stunning turn of events.
DeepEnigma
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If you are dominating, you are all of a sudden arrogant. Oh, and throw out the good deeds, and brand recognition over the past 20+ years, it was MSFT's failures that gave the Playstation their success. (Yes, I still can't believe some still cling to this disingenuous narrative, arrogant what?)
I honestly think that MS as a company is going all in on gaming. Their expectations are in check, yes, but I think that they are trying to appeal to gamers by doing things that gamers like. Powerful hardware, keeping their games forever, good online service, play on the device of your choosing (console/pc). I think that they understand that the hardcore gamer is the one that spreads that word of mouth more than anyone. That's how they got in trouble with their launch of XBO in the first place. They have to appeal to those users more than anyone if they want to be taken seriously in both the PC space and Console space. MS plays long term with a lot of their strategy and to me it seems that they are finally taking gaming seriously as they know that is what sells the most in app stores. They want that app store to be really good so it can help the rest of their ecosystem.
I don't think it's a tepid move to pick up some extra users. I think that they are trying to get gamers really hard and from all angles. If what is reported is true with the "windows 10" box that plays store games is true, that means MS is going for casual gamers. Hardcore PC gamers with releasing games on that system at the same time as console gamers with powerful hardware. Do I think it will work? Possibly, but that comes with marketing and what they actually put out. Games. If the games that they put out aren't great, then they will be in the same spot.
The only reason I say what I say is because I don't look at MS and the Xbox team through only the gaming side, I look at what the company as a whole is trying to accomplish and to me they are trying to make gaming a big portion of their strategy to get consumers back on their side which they lost from the mobile push.
Orniletter
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I seriously can't believe some of you can't see the PS4 for what it truly was/ is.
It was the best console to play the latest western AAA games, didn't have unappealing albatrosses (Kinect, WiiU Gamepad) around it's neck , Sony's PR was able to take advantage of MS being caught with their pants down and the price seemed reasonable.
Thats literally it. Power relative to it's price was the single most important reason why they are where they are now. It was perceived ( and tbh. was) the better deal than an X1.
The amount of times GAF declares something's dead you'd swear you were sitting in a funeral directors.
Stilton Disco
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Given how big of a YoY sales drop it's seen here, compared to PS4 being up, I'm not sure that can still be argued.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1224063
At best it's managing to stay relevant, which is better than the rest of the world, but not huge by any stretch of the imagination.
Omnistalgic
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I think he made his point though. Just using examples.
DagnastyEp
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What are people expecting for CPU and RAM in Scorpio?
If the GPU is really between 5.25 and 6TF, and there's potential of Oculus Rift compatibility, then my predictions:
CPU: 8 core Zen @ 2-2.5 ghz
RAM: 16-24 GB
It will also be interesting to see what type of RAM setup they go with to achieve the bandwidth necessary to feed a 6TF GPU.
Ha, whenever I see ROI, I now think Radio on the Internet [Silicon Valley].
If the GPU is really between 5.25 and 6TF, and there's potential of Oculus Rift compatibility, then my predictions:
CPU: 8 core Zen @ 2-2.5 ghz
RAM: 16-24 GB
It will also be interesting to see what type of RAM setup they go with to achieve the bandwidth necessary to feed a 6TF GPU.
Ha, whenever I see ROI, I now think Radio on the Internet [Silicon Valley].
"These are not the doors of a billionaire"
spookyfish
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Wait for the pie chart. It'll explain it better.
Plinko
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Who's dad? If the NX is having illegitimate children, this console war just got really interesting.
5 years? Hm... Uncharted 1 and Killzone 2 really looked like shit at that time.
Bits N Pieces
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Doug Heffernan
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Doesn't surprise me one bit. The hardware team at Microsoft is a lot more stocked with talent than previous years. Just look at the Surface Book.
Backfoggen
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I am praying for a powerful CPU in Scorpio and for devs to utilize it heavily. One of the most disappointing things about this gen is the quasi-stagnation of physics and larger scope simulations etc.
Complicated
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If you have a PC they are getting as much money out of you as possible (excluding XBL subscription). If not, you're likely never going to build a PC; so your choices are consoles.
Exactly. Sony's selling point at launch was "more power, cheaper." That's literally all it needed to sell gangbusters. Sure, there were other factors (Microsoft's shitty communication on their original plans, the original plans in general etc), but the bottom line is that people want the best bang for their buck, and the PS4 offered that. Anybody who points at exclusives or anything else like that is delusional - especially now, considering how little of an impact most exclusives have had for either console.
TBiddy
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No need. Power of the cloud!
I think Microsoft is going for the big leap so definitely not the Jaguar or just 8GB of RAM. I know Microsoft need it more than Sony but if the rumours of the Neo are true, I much prefer the Scorpio rumours. Support full BC etc. but a very good hardware upgrade that isn't straddling current gen hardware set ups. Who knows how it will work out but Scorpio seems like it could have long legs whereas Neo is a VR leg up that may need a successor quicker but I suppose that could be flipped against Xbox once they go beyond Neo. Interesting times. Can't for E3.
justsomeguy
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agreed
RowdyReverb
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It will have to contend with a price-reduced XB1 slim, PS4 (slim?), and maybe even that Xbox streaming stick. Plus, they're going to have to deal with the same problem Wii U had in educating naïve customers on the difference between machines
So.... When I build a new PC at the end of the year I don't need to worry about missing out on Xbox exclusives because they will be on PC... Sweetneeding only to buy PSNeo and whatever Nintendos next handheld is suits me perfectly
I really enjoy this existence of a choice with this whole XB1+W10 fusion, people who want a PC should be able to use a PC, people who want the big new Xbox should be able to use the Xbox
Connect the two systems, join the markets, but let people play how they want to play and thats great. I understand keeping things exclusive to a degree, but I want everything to be shared between XB1+W10 (not port begging in anyway, this is a stance on a longterm strategy for a platform)
Backfoggen
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I need the Crackdown beta now.
My uncle who is also my aunt works as Nintendo and he has shown mii a short clip where you can see NX mating with big Yoshi-Amibo. Their baby is called The Amiboy. A handheld in Yoshi form.
Sadly, NX was eaten by Yoshi Amibo in the process
This is the first console generation were the most powerful system, the PS4, is the market leader so it is logical for MS to try to compete with Sony with raw power.
The problem of this generation is not the power of the hardware but the software and the lack of new IPs. We constantly play sequels and the good new IPs, almost three years into the generation, are very few.
Will more powerful (and expensive) hardware fix the new software and new experiences issue? With the development costs of AAA games constantly rising somehow I don't think that publishers will be more willing to take risks and create new IPs.
Even the financially very strong Activision/blizzard gave us only one new IP until now this generation, Destiny and now we got Overwatch.
Personally I am not yet interested for VR technology (because of no software) and having a very powerful PC I don't see the reason to spend another 500 dollars to buy a new Xbox One (i have a One and a PS4), especialy now that MS brings all its franchises to PC. Even Halo will come to Windows 10.
It will be a very interesting E3 this year ha ha ha
The problem of this generation is not the power of the hardware but the software and the lack of new IPs. We constantly play sequels and the good new IPs, almost three years into the generation, are very few.
Will more powerful (and expensive) hardware fix the new software and new experiences issue? With the development costs of AAA games constantly rising somehow I don't think that publishers will be more willing to take risks and create new IPs.
Even the financially very strong Activision/blizzard gave us only one new IP until now this generation, Destiny and now we got Overwatch.
Personally I am not yet interested for VR technology (because of no software) and having a very powerful PC I don't see the reason to spend another 500 dollars to buy a new Xbox One (i have a One and a PS4), especialy now that MS brings all its franchises to PC. Even Halo will come to Windows 10.
It will be a very interesting E3 this year ha ha ha
Yep, it makes sense and it's money in MS's pocket at the end of the day. They get to push the idea of Xbox as an ecosystem/"platform" that works across multiple devices (whether it be XBO, XBS, or PC) that all play nicely together (cross-platform play? Shared UI/ecosystem, etc.) and target different markets. The writing has been on the wall for some time, but we will see it all come to fruition starting with the slim XBO and, of course, the XBS next year.
Also it's not port-begging if it's all but confirmed at this point!
literally nobody said that.
MADGAME
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Audible Phonetics
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I don't get it...
Isn't 4X more powerful in any other format be considered a new console all together?
Why launch under xbox one and not give it a new name?
Isn't 4X more powerful in any other format be considered a new console all together?
Why launch under xbox one and not give it a new name?
We don't know what it is going to be called. It will play Xbox One games though.
Who knows, maybe they will call it Xbox2. Nothing has been confirmed yet.