Bernie will almost certainly end up losing by between 5 and 6 million votes and between 300 and 330 pledged delegates. It's not been a particularly close contest at all. 2008 was a close contest. This "contest" is primarily due to an extremely drawn out schedule. It was over as a contest in March, when it became clear the demographics of each candidates support was essentially baked in.
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Bernie will almost certainly end up losing by between 5 and 6 million votes and between 300 and 330 pledged delegates. It's not been a particularly close contest at all. 2008 was a close contest. This "contest" is primarily due to an extremely drawn out schedule. It was over as a contest in March, when it became clear the demographics of each candidates support was essentially baked in.
I always find it funny how the Hillary fans move the goal posts, no satisfying them.
Edit: here's vice, but of course it's supposedly a conspiracy source now
http://www.vice.com/read/the-democratic-party-hillary-clinton-bias-goes-way-beyond-data
Edit: here's vice, but of course it's supposedly a conspiracy source now
http://www.vice.com/read/the-democratic-party-hillary-clinton-bias-goes-way-beyond-data
Veritigo_X
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The guy that marched with MLK and then disappeared for the next 50 years? Yeah, black people are so ungrateful for not cashing that check when Bernie asked.
His campaign needs attention and Hillary is not giving it to him since there isn't a way for him to catch up.
A Link to the Past
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You can't simply post questionable or outright bad sources and then accuse people of goalpost moving because they call them out as such. You have expectations for the quality of sources you provide.
Darryl M R
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I supported Bernie and help spread his name with my inner circle by often saying "hey yea he did this and that (marched, civil-rights, etc), he is someone you should look into. It is your decision at the end of the day."
So I get offended when people push minorities to vote him because of his background; instead of believing that they can make up their own mind on their vote. I am more than a one-dimensional colored.
Wowfunhappy
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Bernie should just run as a 3rd party candidate as this point.
Not because I actually want that to happen, but because he's more likely to win the presidency as a third party candidate as he is to magically win the current democratic primary.
Not because I actually want that to happen, but because he's more likely to win the presidency as a third party candidate as he is to magically win the current democratic primary.
jack_package_200
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Essentially this. Hillary moved onto the GE while Bernie is trying to stay relevant. The Bernie Supporters fuckery in Nevada allowed him to get more news coverage.
Even more perplexing are the Sanders supporters who would vote Trump even if Sanders was in the driver's seat. I can only assume they're the wacky WV type of dems who never vote D anyway, Repubs who swapped to D to vote Sanders in primaries. At least that's the only reasonable thing I can assume because otherwise it just sounds like Sanders voters throwing darts on a wall for their selection.
Wait, so 7% of Sanders supporters would vote for Trump over Sanders?
Doesn't that mean that 7% of those polled as a Sanders supporter aren't actually a Sanders supporter?
Orbis Tabula
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So, in this list, the broken rules are that the debates were poorly scheduled (not against the rules), Sanders was punished (for breaking the rules), the DNC and HRC share office space (not against the rules), the superdelegates support Hillary (not against the rules), and a DNC staffer organized a fundraiser for Clinton (not against the rules).
And these rule violations are a sign that the DNC picked Clinton. And not the voters?
I mean, you do acknowledge she's won the popular vote, right? We can at least agree on that?
A Link to the Past
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Maybe 7% of Sanders supporters support him because they believe he'll be easier for Trump to beat
She has an extreme bias from the DNC, you have to admit that as well right?
Particle Physicist
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That article starts off by claiming that the DNC blocked the sanders campaign from accessing their voter database while completely minimizing the fact that they stole Hillary's data. Haha. Great article.
There were actually people in the poligaf thread saying they'd vote Trump over Sanders in order to stomp out what they perceive as an insurgent element in the dem party.
Super_Cobra
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I've never voted for president.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Dixiecrats too lazy to change their party affiliation from D to R, but are voting for Sanders over Hillary as a protest vote.
GloriousBagel
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If I had no other choice I would vote for her because of Bill. For some reason he seems a lot more trustworthy than Hillary. Hillary is a lying hack, you just need to look at her campaign video against Obama to realize she's a liar.
Hillary has been a been a Democrat for decades.
Bernie was an independent that would constantly shit on both parties for decades until one year ago and still shits on the Democrats while trying to become their nominee.
No shit, Sherlock.
WonkyPanda
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IF I'm Trump, I use this debate to come off sensibly and cater to Bernie supporters.
benicillin
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I would not say he "constantly shit" on the DNC. He's been a vocal critic yeah, but he's caucused with them for a long time and in general worked just fine with them in the senate.
For the millionth time, Vermont's high minority incarceration rate is because it's the de-facto drug trade route between Canada and NYC. A huge number of inmates are from out of state.
Feel free to keep repeating this bullshit like it makes any sense though, it's great for derails.
It is actually a bigger deal if the DNC breaks its own contracts with the delegates than delegates stealing voter data from each other. There is a whole process set up specifically for this case that this happens and DWS ignored them and went for crippling punitive measures instead, only releasing them when Sanders threatened a lawsuit.
Bill Clinton's biggest scandal involved him lying and nearly being impeached.
BotoxAgent
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Orbis Tabula
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Oh good. An article that further clarifies that one of the "shady" things she did was also done by Sanders.
I'd gladly admit that members of the DNC prefer her, as do members of the Democratic establishment at large, including many elected officials. That's not really a particularly hard thing to admit. Apparently admitting she's won the popular vote is, though...
He called them out when necessary. As should everyone, they aren't infallible.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Not just the DNC. Millions of voters got behind her as well.
GloriousBagel
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Well yeah, but somehow he still comes off as a likable guy. It's probably the way he speaks ha
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Why do you care if she is a liar?
So they're both liars but, you like the way bill lies more.
Yes, let's elect someone we can't trust to the highest position in our country.
Mr Clutch
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The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and even-handedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process.
and that "DNC Staffer" was the DNC Finance Chairman. Lets make that clear...
BotoxAgent
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and when interviewers asked him to substantiate his claims, he has no real answer.
Don't bother man, let them do mental gymnastics to cover up the extreme establishment politics bias.
Aaronology
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Are you claiming Clinton won the primary because Schultz and not because three million more people voted for her over Bernie Sanders? I'm trying to understand whatever point you're poorly attempting to make here.
(Lets momentarily ignore that having the backing of the Democratic Party on the onset of a primary isn't a guarantee of winning said primary. Which is why Obama is president right now and not Hillary.)
Heh, the current chair of the DNC was busy being campaign co-chair for Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign.
I mean, it's pretty much common wisdom that the DNC was biased toward Hillary. That doesn't mean it was necessarily rigged or whatever though.
maquiladora
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She'll win because the alternative is almost incalculably worse.
Orbis Tabula
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Yeah, I mean, especially given Bill was literally impeached for lying.
Is that a rule violation? Like, do we know the DNC finance chair wouldn't help organize a Sanders fundraiser? Has he asked? Is impartiality being violated here?
The millions of difference in the popular vote doesn't matter, only "the will of the people" does.
jack_package_200
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Yep. Women, Minorities, Non Christians, LBGTQ all suffer under a republican president especially if that President is Trump.
The person who has more votes represents the will of the people. Its not a hard concept.
You... Do realize the now chair of the DNC is a close friend of Hillary and was her second in command for the 2008 campaign? Back then she didn't have a person at that level of power in her corner. Not to mention her campaign blowing up in her face for its obvious racism towards Obama.
Box of Kittens
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I can't wait for primary season to be over. This is such a nothingburger and everyone's losing their minds over it.
Yeah, I think Cerium might have said something like that (not 100% though) but I can't think of anybody else.
Yeah, I think Cerium might have said something like that (not 100% though) but I can't think of anybody else.
Orbis Tabula
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I mean, I admitted what you wanted me to admit. The DNC is biased in her favor. I just also have the balls to acknowledge that she's won the popular vote, and she's winning it pretty much in proportion with what the polls had her at. You're gonna have to come up with some evidence that the primary was rigged because right now it's looking like the person that was predicted to win is the person who won. She won by having more people vote for her.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
That's not exactly how it works. Hillary most likely will want to preserve her legacy as not only the first woman president, but also a good one. She will focus on what Democrats want, while trying to navigate the politics of Washington.
Sounds like Huelen to me.
And how did she get the popular vote? It wasn't done by her own power if that's what you are suggesting. She had the entirety of the DNC pulling for her.
BotoxAgent
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I was being cute haha. I don't see why people are so adamant that he should get the nomination when the popular vote is against him in the millions. It's a bizarre argument.
She has run an effective campaign that got old people and minorities to vote for her. She has done well with those demographics in the past.
jack_package_200
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Maybe...just maybe people prefer her policies over Bernie's? Maybe the voters preferred her over him?
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