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[Jessie.Bristol]

Wont the crappy CPU (if they are keeping the same netbook era jaguar as rumored) severely bottleneck a 6tflop GPU? You would probably need an i5 2500k at the minimum to not bottleneck a GTX 1070

That was my worry as well, posted previously about it. Based on rumors, we know the PS4 Neo is still using the same Jaguar CPU. And we have seen games already being CPU limited this generation. Boosting it by 500Mhz isn't going to do a whole lot. Because of the CPU, the PS4 Neo may not be able to take full advantage of the GPU upgrade in many games.

This is why I think the Xbox One Scorpio next year may have a better CPU (hopefully using AMD's Zen architecture).

 

[Alpha Phoenix]

everyone is going to be extremely frustrated when Neo and Scorpio aren't at E3

This.

I don't expect either to be shown. Maybe Neo, but not Scorpio.

 

[Chris1]

everyone is going to be extremely frustrated when Neo and Scorpio aren't at E3

After Phil's comments on twitter I think it's gonna be at E3. Why else would he tweet out "Can't wait to tell everyone our story at E3" after the Scorpio rumours? I just really don't understand why they're announcing it 1.5 years before, that's gonna kill sales this year which can't be good for Gears.

So in a way I kind of believe it's out this year, purely because of the timing of the announcement, but I also don't know how they're gonna get this machine out and still be at the $399 maximum price point.

 

[Lister]

So how are they going to put a $600 GPU into a $400 console?

 

[tiredheadcrab]

I remember the Elop rumours, but there were rumours of Satya too. Which to me, fits given Phil invited him to E3 last year in a bid to show him why Xbox should stay and be properly supported.

That isn't how keeping the Xbox division would work. A CEO won't change his mind on an E3 crowd reaction happens. It would need to fit into his overall plan of Windows and Xbox fits into that plan. Any rumors that Satya selling them off was riding off the old rumors of Elop doing it or an investor trying to start rumblings.

 

[Sarobi]

Or boring as hell!

For the most part, many will find it to be boring as hell. GAF, for the most part, usually comes out of E3 with "it was ok".

 

[Strootman]

What are the chanches that this will have original xbox BC?

It would be awesome to have it, along with 360 and ONE BC, it will make xbox scorpio the ultimate xbox experience!

 

[Biggzy]

That was my worry as well, posted previously about it. Based on rumors, we know the PS4 Neo is still using the same Jaguar CPU. And we have seen games already being CPU limited this generation. Boosting it by 500Mhz isn't going to do a whole lot. Because of the CPU, the PS4 Neo may not be able to take full advantage of the GPU upgrade in many games.

This is why I think the Xbox One Scorpio next year may have a better CPU (hopefully using AMD's Zen architecture).

My thoughts exactly. It is all well and good having 6TF of GPU power, but if it is paired with a Jaguar CPU a lot of the theoretical power will go unused as the CPU will not be able to feed the necessary data to the GPU.

 

[Gurish]

Anything new in the last 60 pages?

Do we know how much more powerful the Scorpio is compared to the PS4K?

 

[icespide]

After Phil's comments on twitter I think it's gonna be at E3. Why else would he tweet out "Can't wait to tell everyone our story at E3" after the Scorpio rumours? I just really don't understand why they're announcing it 1.5 years before, that's gonna kill sales this year which can't be good for Gears.

So in a way I kind of believe it's out this year, purely because of the timing of the announcement, but I also don't know how they're gonna get this machine out and still be at the $399 maximum price point.

I think Phils referring to the Xbox + Win10 UWP thing. they're going to go in on that hard at E3 but no Scorpio

 

[oldergamer]

What are the chanches that this will have original xbox BC?

It would be awesome to have it, along with 360 and ONE BC, it will make xbox scorpio the ultimate xbox experience!

I like that idea. hardware xbox 360 support

 

[bidguy]

everyone is going to be extremely frustrated when Neo and Scorpio aren't at E3

scropio may not be shown but i do believe they will be talking about it even if behind closed doors with journalists

 

[Art Vandilay]

Anything new in the last 60 pages?

Do we know how much more powerful the Scorpio is compared to the PS4K?

If rumors are true, a little less than 2 tf at most.

 

[EvB]

Anything new in the last 60 pages?

Do we know how much more powerful the Scorpio is compared to the PS4K?

It's 30% Floppier

4TF to 6TF on the GPU

 

[SparkTR]

I remember the Elop rumours, but there were rumours of Satya too. Which to me, fits given Phil invited him to E3 last year in a bid to show him why Xbox should stay and be properly supported.

Xbox is still here because they're trying their hardest to fit it within the wider Windows ecosystem. Anything else wouldn't make sense for Microsoft anymore.

 

[autoduelist]

I have a overwhelming suspicion iterative consoles are going to backfire hard. I've been through one console crash already and I'd hate to see another one.

 

[rokkerkory]

That was my worry as well, posted previously about it. Based on rumors, we know the PS4 Neo is still using the same Jaguar CPU. And we have seen games already being CPU limited this generation. Boosting it by 500Mhz isn't going to do a whole lot. Because of the CPU, the PS4 Neo may not be able to take full advantage of the GPU upgrade in many games.

This is why I think the Xbox One Scorpio next year may have a better CPU (hopefully using AMD's Zen architecture).

It better have a better CPU. Jaguar is the meh now

 

[blastprocessor]

And what will PC's be capable of at the end of 2017????.....i think MS will find themselves at the same power disadvantage as they are now!

We're not moving from 14/16nm for years unless you know something we don't.

 

[oldergamer]

Anything new in the last 60 pages?

Do we know how much more powerful the Scorpio is compared to the PS4K?

Yup. it's "5"...

... that's all we figured out. it explains everything.

 

[etta]

This is all pure speculation/guesswork of course. But why else would Phil have invited Satya. Just fits in my opinion.

Because Nutella is more hands-on and wants to be involved in all the juicy deets I am guessing. He wants to personally see how each team does their job, and E3 is a huge event in a massive industry.

 

[Strootman]

Because Nutella is more hands-on and wants to be involved in all the juicy deets I am guessing. He wants to personally see how each team does their job, and E3 is a huge event in a massive industry.

Xbox Nutella, mmmh..

 

[Granadier]

It's 30% Floppier

4TF to 6TF on the GPU

math is hard amirite

 

[SEGAvangelist]

It's 30% Floppier

4TF to 6TF on the GPU

6TF is 50% floppier than 4TF.

4TF is 66.6% the floppiness of 6TF (so about 33.3% difference with that direction).

Neo is reportedly a bit floppier than 4TF, though, so the actually difference would be 44-45% if Scorpio does reach 6TF.

Xbox Nutella, mmmh..

I want some now.

 

[Wishmaster92]

So how are they going to put a $600 GPU into a $400 console?

Microsoft has a war chest for these kinds of situations.

 

[Nictel]

So how are they going to put a $600 GPU into a $400 console?

They have a coupon for 50% off.

Spoiler

A $600,- consumer GPU will probably cost Microsoft like $300,-

Microsoft has a war chest for these kinds of situations.

They also have stockholders that would be most displeased if they would go that route.

 

[demosthenes]

Microsoft has a war chest for these kinds of situations.

They will not go with that strategy.

 

[etta]

To add to that, Balmer seemed more like that guy that "send me the head of each division" and had them tell him how things were going and stuff they were working on.

And that's pretty significant no? bigger than the PS4> XB1 gap?

It's YUUUUUUUUUUUGE.

2TF that's like almost 2 Xbox Ones duct taped together.

 

[Gurish]

If rumors are true, a little less than 2 tf at most.

And that's pretty significant no? bigger than the PS4> XB1 gap?

 

[c0de]

And that's pretty significant no? bigger than the PS4> XB1 gap?

It's a difference of a whole ps4.

 

[MORT1S]

And that's pretty significant no? bigger than the PS4> XB1 gap?

Possibly even more so if MS opts for a more recent CPU architecture, ditching Jaguar.

 

[Metalingus5150]

It'll be interesting how software support compares.

 

[Granadier]

so many flops

 

[Hoo-doo]

Microsoft has a war chest for these kinds of situations.

I'd wager that some people here actually believe this. That Microsoft is going to deliver a crazy powerhouse of a system for 399$, taking a huge bath on every unit sold after having fumbled away most of their marketshare over the last few years.

I would pay money to see Phil pitch that one to stockholders.

 

[nekkid]

So how are they going to put a $600 GPU into a $400 console?

$600 isn't at cost. Bulk buying will make it a lot cheaper than a boxed card.

 

[jayu26]

Microsoft has a war chest for these kinds of situations.

Sarcasm?

 

[Kyzer]

Considering how quick and dirty the 360 release was to beat the ps3 to market I wouldn't be surprised if this was half baked and changes completely by launch or something goes terribly wrong

 

[Chris1]

I'd wager that some people here actually believe this. That Microsoft is going to deliver a crazy powerhouse of a system for 399$, taking a huge bath on every unit sold after having fumbled away most of their marketshare over the last few years.

I would pay money to see Phil pitch that one to stockholders.

"Think of all the MAU's we'll get, an increase of over 9000%!"

I agree though, they're gonna take a loss but not $200 and $300 losses. That's suicide financially, especially if consoles really do become iterative then they're unlikely to make that money back from most people.

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

Microsoft has a war chest for these kinds of situations.

believe it or not, Sony also has a huge warchest for these kinds of situations

just you watch

SonyToo

 

[Freeman]

Wait, unveil soon, releasing fall 17? Why so long? It feels they just decided on it now, specially if we take into account what Phil Spencer was saying not long ago.

Microsoft has a war chest for these kinds of situations.

Is it still the same war chest they had when they launched the XOne?

 

[rokkerkory]

To add to that, Balmer seemed more like that guy that "send me the head of each division" and had them tell him how things were going and stuff they were working on.

It's YUUUUUUUUUUUGE.

2TF that's like almost 2 Xbox Ones duct taped together.

How many Gamecubes though???

 

[MilkyJoe]

believe it or not, Sony also has a huge warchest for these kinds of situations

just you watch

SonyToo

Wait 4 years

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

I think Phils referring to the Xbox + Win10 UWP thing. they're going to go in on that hard at E3 but no Scorpio

Agreed, I really dont think we will see them...Scorpio nor Neo...maybe they will give hints at the model they are moving towards. Maybe there might be mentions? I doubt it. I think MS will save Scropio for next year and Sony (if late 2016 launch rumors are true) we will see at some other event this year...maybe PSX or TGS.

 

[icespide]

iterative consoles is such a huge change in the console space that I could see Sony or Microsoft doing their own events to unveil them ala Apple or like the initial PS4 unveil.

I really doubt they'll be at E3

 

[Night Angel]

$600 isn't at cost. Bulk buying will make it a lot cheaper than a boxed card.

So that changes the question to how they'll put a $400 GPU into a $400 system.

Still haven't seen a convincing answer aside from "bu-but the warchest" which is totally why the XB1 was released at $500 and they got all the exclusives this gen.

 

[Artvanderlay]

For the most part, many will find it to be boring as hell. GAF, for the most part, usually comes out of E3 with "it was ok".

Theres no way Xbox can come away from E3 and say it was boring. They cant have another year like this . Either they drop a bomb with new hardware this year or theyre fucked , they will go all in at E3 or it its fuck it.

 

[Markoman]

Man, this thread started really good, but now we're getting into 14-year-old-fanboy-wet-dream territory. Why did MS and Sony sell you underpowered consoles 2,5 years ago in the first place when top of the line PC tech is so easy/cheap to get?

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Of course, I'd assume some Spring titles will start to show some differences, and maybe by Summer things will start to ramp up, but then in Summer the Scorpio will have been announced by then so people can start making informed decisions, whether to buy PS4K or wait for Scorpio. A lot will wait for Black Friday deals regardless I assume.



If this is a new architecture, Vega/HBM2 then I would assume they are getting ready to send devkits out. If there's a Spring 2017 reveal then I would think they'd start sending Scorpio devkits as soon as this E3, or Summer for sure.



Depends as I said above how long developers have had the devkits for. If they receive them this Summer then I assume Fall 2017 games will be ready to show the differences, at launch of Scorpio.

Yeah that sounds likely and hopefully from there games will be made on the new hardware and ported to Xbox One. I see no reason why they wouldn't.

 

[pastrami]

So that changes the question to how they'll put a $400 GPU into a $400 system.

Still haven't seen a convincing answer aside from "bu-but the warchest" which is totally why the XB1 was released at $500 and they got all the exclusives this gen.

It's possible that we'll see the PS4 Neo occupy the middle ground while the PS4/Xbox Slim occupy the low end, and the Xbox Scorpio occupies the high end (higher end hardware, higher price).

There's no rule that these consoles have to be the same price and similar hardware profiles.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Man, this thread started really good, but now we're getting into 14-year-old-fanboy-wet-dream territory. Why did MS and Sony sell you underpowered consoles 2,5 years ago in the first place when top of the line PC tech is so easy/cheap to get?

I bet Microsoft is scratching themselves behind the ears now because whatever it is they will be dropping next year, it isn't going to live up to the expectations in this thread where people expect a powerhouse for cheap.

It will be a fun ride though.

 

[MilkyJoe]

I bet Microsoft is scratching themselves behind the ears now because whatever it is they will be dropping next year, it isn't going to live up to the expectations in this thread where people expect a powerhouse for cheap.

It will be a fun ride though.

Quel surprise