metalslimer
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Until I start seeing consistent polls of Hilary losing Florida, there really isn't a viable path
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Until I start seeing consistent polls of Hilary losing Florida, there really isn't a viable path
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Sure, but there are candidates who listen to experts that they've hired to advise them. There are candidates that understand the scope and scale of the threats faced in the digital domain. Hillary is (obviously) neither.
I've entered the Berenstein dimension.
Big Baybee
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So nothing lol
My thesis statement is regarding that Clinton has nothing to lose from not debating Bernie.
Here is yet another quote:
The fact is, this debate would not be happening if Clinton agreed to the original May debates like she promised in February. This debate is an uncontrolled wildcard where the outcome could very well hurt Clinton.
I never even said Sanders had a chance. You attributed a quote to me and my personal beliefs from an article I linked because it had relevant pros and cons for each candidate on the outcome of this debate which is relevant to this topic.
My thesis stands: Hillary Clinton should have accepted the debate as she very well has something to lose. Extra spotlight for Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. Questions regarding her in the debate where the article even states, "The contest would no doubt be the most-watched event in Sanders' political life and Clinton wouldn't even be there to defend herself."
Your thesis is:
y'all are really gonna have a hard time with the coming weeks, and that's a shame, because the math is there for you right now
I can't honestly believe people still give a shit about the E-mail thing.
A president's policies directly affect hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people. Hillary Clinton has shown, time and time again, via her actions and voting record, her commitment to liberal policies.
But no, she fucked up some E-mail shit, so let's either directly or indirectly help a literal fascist into the most powerful political position in the world.
Republican smear machine doing work.
A president's policies directly affect hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people. Hillary Clinton has shown, time and time again, via her actions and voting record, her commitment to liberal policies.
But no, she fucked up some E-mail shit, so let's either directly or indirectly help a literal fascist into the most powerful political position in the world.
Republican smear machine doing work.
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The Autumn Wind
Trump and Sanders supporters are sounding remarkably more and more similar.
Dubbedinenglish
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Brother the aliens will land in October and take Hillary back.
She'll be in Gitmo. Of course she won't be able to attend.
IrishNinja
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"That business should have just paid their protection money if they didn't want trouble."
Sure, if Sanders was doing this out of revenge instead of political opportunity that was allowed to him because of a broken campaign promise.
Edit: And oh, first sentence of that article I linked:
Wall St. transcripts won't sink her campaign. Shit, we have a general election where the one candidate is a billionaire member of the donor class who gave to the other candidate! Any semblance of a fair and level political system isn't an issue here.
The indictment, maybe. Hillary Clinton did do wrong with how she handled her email at the State Department. That's a fact. But her getting indicted for it is a long shot.
You know what would do more to put the election in play than either of these things? A major terrorist attack. It would validate Trump for some low-information voters and perhaps put some states in play.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/democrat-bernie-sanders-revolt/
When his campaign does shit like this, yes he does.
Why does the Republican party, even in the face of nominating Trump, not have Cruz and Rubio still out there if it's not a big deal?
The least transparent candidate in history? No candidate has ever had to provide transcripts of any paid speeches made as a private citizen. Just like no one is forcing Trump or Romney to say disclose minutes of their companies board meetings or business deals or Trump or Romney's own paid speeches. You can go on line just now and see Clintons full tax records going back to 1977, you can see one year of Sanders returns, and none of Trumps. By the accepted measure of previous presidential races the only disclosure 'required' is tax returns and by that measure Clinton has disclosed more than any candidate in history.
balladofwindfishes
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Maybe martians land and enslave us all.
Where is Stein polling at 11%? Most of the polls I've seen had her at 2% or less.
what is all that fuck
Officerrob
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He calls him "Crazy Bernie"
The issue is she lied about it. That's why I'm so baffled by this discussion.
These are serious fucking charges. It's a felony for a reason. How are you guys so willing to forget them?
Perhaps what's most frustrating is how fucked up this whole thing is. Democrats should be condemning this type of behavior. Donald Trump shouldn't be the standard.
Why on earth are we giving free passes here? Why aren't we demanding a higher standard of conduct?
Washington Post Editorial Board: Clinton's inexcusable, willful disregard for the rules
Chicago Tribune front page of the opinion section today: Hillary Clinton's private server doesn't look like an honest mistake
Morning Joe: "I don't see how this is anything but devestating." - "This breach... I don't see how she could ever be confirmed as attorney general or Presidential cabinets ever again."
Yahoo Finance: We Now Know Hillary Lied Multiple Times About Her Email Server
MSNBC: What the State Department email report means for Hillary Clinton
Byakuya with the tea.
When did H.A. Goodman start posting at NeoGAF?
Hillary lied, Ben G. Hazi died?
HP_Wuvcraft
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You must be fun at parties.
Boombloxer
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Thats not really the the issue, even Bernie said no one cares. Just one more thing to latch onto before he goes quietly into the night and the real work starts.
You can keep posting those (like near impossible paths) and the SC argument, there will never be a response. Dudes going j about cyber-security when a conservative SC can gut Abortion, equal rights, universal health care and oh, net neutrality. It's a bullshit position.
IrishNinja
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a) i don't disagree that it'd the most-watched thing bernie's done. it'd also be terrible for him and play right into trump
b) i don't give much weight to articles doing the drumf thing
c) all a moot point, as this is PR and can't happen before the primary unless he drops out, which really isn't likely
it's a powerful one, though. you should read it again & appreciate its brevity
agreed, but it's bernie bros in this thread doing the heavy lifting
Bam Bam Baklava
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Why are you passing off opinion pieces written by individual authors as though the entire news organization is claiming this? That's not even Yahoo Finance, it's a redirect from The Fiscal Times. Seriously, you're lack of attention to detail and understanding of news organization and how they function is annoying.
Box of Kittens
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This is flat out false. She's rarely included in polls, and when she is included she gets about 2%. Also, the threshold to be included in debates is 15%, not 10%.
Okay, I see now. You didn't even read it or open it. I can tell because thats my plugin automatically changing Trump to Drumpf for me.
Alright, discussion over with you.
Sirpopopop
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Jill stein is an anti-vaxxer candidate.
Ziltoidia 9
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From what I've heard, Gary Johnson is the one that polled at 10 or 11. I don''t know when that was though.
I just... these are Democratic strategists and pundits damning their own...
The reason Trump wins is because there are people like me that won't vote for Hillary under any circumstance. And I won't accept any of the blame for that - the Democratic party is putting up a shitty candidate that's honestly going to lose.
It's clear that the public is no longer judging candidates based on record or anything that matters. They're judging them based on the narratives they can present. Hillary's narratives are going to be obliterated.
I hope Bernie wins, but not because I agree with him on every issue, but because I don't think that Hillary can actually beat Trump given her disastrous record as Secretary of State.
Box of Kittens
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The thing that always gets me about this is posting a 270towin map as though it's evidence of anything.
IrishNinja
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it's a path, i guess!
no idea where it's going, but...it's a path!
nah, i usually don't give clicks to poorly-thought out pieces that open on faulty premises
neat plugin though!
Bam Bam Baklava
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The Fiscal Times is a democratic strategist organization?
If Hillary is a strong candidate, this is a speed bump. Bernie can continue to push his message. Yet, it seems to get people riled up that he's staying in a race that effectively can't be decided until July. You already see the DNC making concessions, so why stop now?
As far as the internal State Department evaluation, the recommendations are just that. Fixes to internal processes. She did break several rules though, which depending on how the FBI looks at it could be criminal. Was that server approved? Doesn't seem that way looking at the evaluation. It's not a good look for her to have this level of negligence for a department she ran come to the public eye, after repeatedly telling us that the server was approved and everything was shipshape.
The other key piece that is sliding into place is Guccifer. There are some interesting events revolving around that.
I don't know if she'll get indicted and neither does anyone else here. If it was nothing though, it wouldn't continue to loom over her campaign like it has. Probably just a right wing conspiracy.
What are you scared of? Why are you scared? Hillary's got this wrapped up, shouldn't be an issue.
The Washington Post? MSNBC? The Boston Globe? Morning Joe? The Chicago Tribune?
you're cherry picking one link out of five. C'mon.
Sirpopopop
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Well, if you don't like Trump, then you should accept the blame for putting him in office, and he does something horrible.
You had the option of voting for someone with a realistic chance that was going to be better than Trump. You choose not to exercise it.
That's what a general election is about. You can hold to your principles all you want in a primary. However, the general is about picking the realistic option. The time to debate on your choice is over. You had that debate in the primary. You lost it.
I know this well, since I once thought like you. My guy lost in the primary. I was salty. I decided not to vote for John Kerry. I was a fucking idiot.
A motherfucking idiot.
Lesson: Don't be me.
Box of Kittens
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There are no words.
"I am willingly acting against my own interests, but please don't blame me for it."
Big Baybee
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So Hillary is a shitty candidate that's going to lose, but she's trouncing Bernie and he isn't a shitty candidate?
But I don't like herrrrrr
Bam Bam Baklava
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Do you know who Joe Scarborough is? Mika can say whatever she wants, but as someone who actually punishes myself by watching that show often, she is routinely negative towards Clinton in favor of Sanders and has no expertise to offer on the matter anyways, she's just a pundit.
Cannot believe some of these Hillary supporters...
I honestly think the more hateful rhetoric is coming from their camp in this thread.
I just can't believe that you guys are dismissing the inspector general's email report as irrelevant.
We're talking about the conduct of someone holding one of the most powerful offices in the world (4th in the line-of-succession) ignoring hack attempts, breaking rules and lying about it.
You guys really don't think that's a serious issue?
If Hillary was caught behaving this way as President, would that be "ok"?
We're talking about the conduct of someone holding one of the most powerful offices in the world (4th in the line-of-succession) ignoring hack attempts, breaking rules and lying about it.
You guys really don't think that's a serious issue?
If Hillary was caught behaving this way as President, would that be "ok"?
Simon Belmont
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That famous democrat who was a Florida republican?
Rentahamster
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"women's health issues", haha this guy is clever.
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