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[Mattenth]

I'm truly worried about the reality crash that's going to happen in 2 weeks for folks like this. They truly believe Sanders is in great shape to be the nominee and when that doesn't happen, it legitimately worries me how the reaction will go.

Well, I'm certainly not going to vote for Hillary. I despise Trump with every fiber of my being, but to say that Hillary is significantly better is just wrong. Since when is the standard for President "they won't fuck things up as bad as Donald Trump?"

I live in California and will just toss my vote away to some 3rd party candidate. I don't trust her as a person and I certainly don't trust her as a commander-in-chief given her poor judgement in her brief tenure as Secretary of State. I'm going to seize every opportunity I can to remind the Democratic party that this nonsense is unprofessional and won't win my vote. I've already started researching 3rd party candidates for Barbara Boxer's senate seat.

Hillary isn't fit to be President if she can't even grasp the absolute basics of cyber security.

 

[Eidan]

Bernie Sanders really is a fucking joke. Christ almighty.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Well that's not possible now with Trump. Sure, Cruz or Rubio would have been a borefest, but she can throw that plan out the window.

Oh it's going to be stormy seas for sure. You would just rather a member of your own party not add unnecessary chaos on top of what already coming.

 

[Godslay]

Why is it looking rough? She sews up the nomination even before California's polls close. I guess if you're concerned about the indictment that's something, but in the case of Sanders v Clinton she won.

Well, she can't technically wrap up anything until the convention. Sanders will drag it out. If he wants to cleanse the DNC by staying until the end? That's fine by me. He has no real incentive to drop out, and shouldn't.

As far as the indictment. Nobody knows what will happen, but some key pieces slid into place yesterday. It's getting harder to ignore, but I guess we can just go back to ignoring it like I was told to do in the Poligaf thread.

This race should have been a slam dunk for her. Yet, here we are.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Yes, but I think there's a significant chance of him winning. This email thing isn't going to go away, which means it's Bernie's first chance to show himself as the leader of the Democratic party.

Like it or not, Hillary Clinton has now lied to the American people multiple times. She said she followed all the rules multiple times, which is now just proven as untrue. She broke multiple rules multiple times. She didn't seek the approval that the rules said she needed to have. She didn't report hacking attempts that the rules said she needed to report. She didn't turn over documents in a way that complied with federal law. All of this while being 4th in the line of succession.

The narrative that this was all some convenient accident is just not true. It wasn't convenient - emails coming from her personal server were flagged as spam. The server was shut down multiple times. She said outright that she didn't want her "personal accessible."

She should drop out. It's clear that she does not take the threats our nation faces in cyberwarfare and cybersecurity seriously and it will cripple her campaign. She may win the Presidency, but this chaos will certainly guarantee that the status quo in Congress remains.

Whether or not an indictment ever happens is a completely separate issue. This will obliterate trust in her as a candidate. She's lied about her email use. She's lied about being under sniper fire. She won't release her transcripts.

The issue is that she's outright lied. Multiple times. In this campaign cycle.

If Bernie can win California 70/30, I think the Superdelegates will start to listen.

70 to 30 isn't enough for him to pass Clinton's pledged delegate count as it is today let alone her lead after she wins NJ, PR and DC

 

[Suikoguy]

Well, she can't technically wrap up anything until the convention. Sanders will drag it out. If he wants to cleanse the DNC by staying until the end? That's fine by me. He has no real incentive to drop out, and shouldn't.

As far as the indictment. Nobody knows what will happen, but some key pieces slid into place yesterday. It's getting harder to ignore, but I guess we can just go back to ignoring it like I was told to do in the Poligaf thread.

This race should have been a slam dunk for her. Yet, here we are.

Actually he does.
The Senate Budget Committee Chair

He can kiss that goodbye if he drags it out to the convention with the same bullshit.
His campaign was partly responsible for the bullshit in Nevada thanks to CNN doing some actual reporting and getting a recording of them instructing their delegates.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Well, I'm certainly not going to vote for Hillary. I despise Trump with every fiber of my being, but to say that Hillary is significantly better is just wrong. Since when is the standard for President "they won't fuck things up as bad as Donald Trump?"

I live in California and will just toss my vote away to some 3rd party candidate. I don't trust her as a person and I certainly don't trust her as a commander-in-chief given her poor judgement in her brief tenure as Secretary of State. I'm going to seize every opportunity I can to remind the Democratic party that this nonsense is unprofessional and won't win my vote. I've already started researching 3rd party candidates for Barbara Boxer's senate seat.

Hillary isn't fit to be President if she can't even grasp the absolute basics of cyber security.

Hopefully, you're part of a very small fringe that doesn't change the outcome of this election. Given how the entire US government has had numerous embarrassments with cybersecurity, I think I'd rather go with someone who made a mistake than a conspiracy theorist lunatic who is spouting crazy talk.

Well, she can't technically wrap up anything until the convention. Sanders will drag it out. If he wants to cleanse the DNC by staying until the end? That's fine by me. He has no real incentive to drop out, and shouldn't.

As far as the indictment. Nobody knows what will happen, but some key pieces slid into place yesterday. It's getting harder to ignore, but I guess we can just go back to ignoring it like I was told to do in the Poligaf thread.

This race should have been a slam dunk for her. Yet, here we are.

Can you find a legal analyst or expert that isn't writing conservative opinion pieces to put their credibility on the record and explain why she will be charged and with what? That's something I have yet to see, no matter how many supposed "revelations" we keep getting.

 

[Mael]

This race should have been a slam dunk for her. Yet, here we are.

It was.
the race was effectively over by super tuesday.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I'm going to seize every opportunity I can to remind the Democratic party that this nonsense is unprofessional and won't win my vote. I've already started researching 3rd party candidates for Barbara Boxer's senate seat.

Hillary isn't fit to be President if she can't even grasp the absolute basics of cyber security.

Not worth the risk of the GOP gaining more power.

 

[IrishNinja]

Needless to say, if Sanders wins this primary

As far as the indictment. Nobody knows what will happen, but some key pieces slid into place yesterday.

She should drop out.

Whether or not an indictment ever happens is a completely separate issue.

If Bernie can win California 70/30...

y'all are really gonna have a hard time with the coming weeks, and that's a shame, because the math is there for you right now

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=0m25s&v=P51vKeHjHr4

great, now i gotta watch this movie again

 

[jack_package_200]

It was.
the race was effectively over by super tuesday.

This.

Its been a landslide for Hillary.

 

[Goodstyle]

Yes, but I think there's a significant chance of him winning. This email thing isn't going to go away, which means it's Bernie's first chance to show himself as the leader of the Democratic party.

Like it or not, Hillary Clinton has now lied to the American people multiple times. She said she followed all the rules multiple times, which is now just proven as untrue. She broke multiple rules multiple times. She didn't seek the approval that the rules said she needed to have. She didn't report hacking attempts that the rules said she needed to report. She didn't turn over documents in a way that complied with federal law. All of this while being 4th in the line of succession.

The narrative that this was all some convenient accident is just not true. It wasn't convenient - emails coming from her personal server were flagged as spam. The server was shut down multiple times. She said outright that she didn't want her "personal accessible."

She should drop out. It's clear that she does not take the threats our nation faces in cyberwarfare and cybersecurity seriously and it will cripple her campaign. She may win the Presidency, but this chaos will certainly guarantee that the status quo in Congress remains.

Whether or not an indictment ever happens is a completely separate issue. This will obliterate trust in her as a candidate. She's lied about her email use. She's lied about being under sniper fire. She won't release her transcripts.

The issue is that she's outright lied. Multiple times. In this campaign cycle.

If Bernie can win California 70/30, I think the Superdelegates will start to listen.

The Sanders fanbase's issue in a nutshell. The assumption that the stuff you care about is the stuff the average American citizen gives 2 shits about. You don't all share the same interests and concerns, when that becomes clear on the June 7th elections I look forward to your shocked reactions.

 

[User1608]

Hillary has over three million votes more than Bernie. One is delusional if they're saying she should drop out for the sake of a minority that lost. The will of the people has spoken pretty strongly.

 

[Mattenth]

70 to 30 isn't enough for him to pass Clinton's pledged delegate count as it is today let alone her lead after she wins NJ, PR and DC

I wasn't trying to imply that it was sufficient for Sanders to win the pledged delegate count. I was implying that it'd be enough of a win to sway superdelegates.

Honestly, I was willing to vote for Hillary in the general election up until yesterday. I bought into the narrative that the whole thing was just a matter of convenience, an honest mistake.

But now, I'm 100% Bernie-or-bust, because Hillary didn't just make a mistake, but she lied about it and tried to cover it up.

It's sad, really. For any government to work, it needs 2 things: transparency and constitutionality. We now have the least transparent candidate in history (emails, transcripts, etc.) running against someone nominated on a platform that openly defies the constitution (Muslim monitoring, curbing free speech, punishing women for health choices).

All it's going to take is a single major Democratic leader (Harry Reid, DWS, Obama) or an indictment to call for Hillary to drop out.

 

[rob305]

It would be the least policy oriented debate ever!

Just platitudes vs platitudes.

"I'm going to build the wall!" "I'm going to make college free"

I doubt it. Trump is probably going to start praising Sanders for coming out, being anti establishment, and still hanging in there this late. Then hes going to try and make the debate about how bad Hillary is and that in a sense even Bernie is a better choice. Hes gonna try to confuse everyone and split the party even further. Would be funny if the moderators play their part and mainly ask nasty questions about Hillary cause thats what the crowd wants to hear. We've heard enough about the policies of each candidate, make this about Hillary!

 

[diablos991]

I really hope this is organized quickly and on national television.

I am ready to donate to see it happen. The more that watch the better.

Also need to make sure Hillary can't show up. She needs to live with the pitiful decision of backing out of that debate.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

It would be the least policy oriented debate ever!

Just platitudes vs platitudes.

"I'm going to build the wall!" "I'm going to make college free"

You can't honestly believe those two are equatable.

 

[Suikoguy]

I doubt it. Trump is probably going to start praising Sanders for coming out, being anti establishment, and still hanging in there this late. Then hes going to try and make the debate about how bad Hillary is and that in a sense even Bernie is a better choice. Hes gonna try to confuse everyone and split the party even further. Would be funny if the moderators play their part and mainly ask nasty questions about Hillary cause thats what the crowd wants to hear. We've heard enough about the policies of each candidate, make this about Hillary!

Yeah, that's probably likely, especially based on some of his twitter nonsense. It's also why I don't think it will happen.

Trump is happy just having the media talk about him and the debate for the next several days.

You can't honestly believe those two are equatable.

Technically both are possible if you deficit spend.
Sanders behavioral tax increase won't cover the cost, and the states won't pickup their part of the tab. And Mexico won't pay for Trump's plan.

 

[Mael]

I wasn't trying to imply that it was sufficient for Sanders to win the pledged delegate count. I was implying that it'd be enough of a win to sway superdelegates.

It doesn't.
They're not running for the position of California President but of the USA.
If she the majority of the dems want Hilary, the supers aren't going to steal the election from her because of a pointless win in some state.

 

[B4s5C]

y'all are really gonna have a hard time with the coming weeks, and that's a shame, because the math is there for you right now

You do realize that was a quote from the CNBC article I linked right?

 

[BitStyle]

I really hope this is organized quickly and on national television.

I am ready to donate to see it happen. The more that watch the better.

Also need to make sure Hillary can't show up. She needs to live with the pitiful decision of backing out of that debate.

Oh I'm sure she won't bother trying.

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

You can't honestly believe those two are equatable.

They're both just as likely to happen.

 

[Mercury Fred]

I really hope this is organized quickly and on national television.

I am ready to donate to see it happen. The more that watch the better.

Also need to make sure Hillary can't show up. She needs to live with the pitiful decision of backing out of that debate.

Pitiful is Sanders pretending like he still has a shot at the nomination.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I wasn't trying to imply that it was sufficient for Sanders to win the pledged delegate count. I was implying that it'd be enough of a win to sway superdelegates.

Honestly, I was willing to vote for Hillary in the general election up until yesterday. I bought into the narrative that the whole thing was just a matter of convenience, an honest mistake.

But now, I'm 100% Bernie-or-bust, because Hillary didn't just make a mistake, but she lied about it and tried to cover it up.

It's sad, really. For any government to work, it needs 2 things: transparency and constitutionality. We now have the least transparent candidate in history (emails, transcripts, etc.) running against someone nominated on a platform that openly defies the constitution (Muslim monitoring, curbing free speech, punishing women for health choices).

All it's going to take is a single major Democratic leader (Harry Reid, DWS, Obama) or an indictment to call for Hillary to drop out.

Obama lost California and NY and the superdelegates didn't override his pledged delegate lead.

 

[the-pi-guy]

All these anti-Bernie posts.
It's not like it matters.

Hillary is going to win regardless.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Obama lost California and NY and the superdelegates didn't override his pledged delegate lead.

Yes, but was Obama a liar?

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Well, I'm certainly not going to vote for Hillary. I despise Trump with every fiber of my being, but to say that Hillary is significantly better is just wrong. Since when is the standard for President "they won't fuck things up as bad as Donald Trump?"

I live in California and will just toss my vote away to some 3rd party candidate. I don't trust her as a person and I certainly don't trust her as a commander-in-chief given her poor judgement in her brief tenure as Secretary of State. I'm going to seize every opportunity I can to remind the Democratic party that this nonsense is unprofessional and won't win my vote. I've already started researching 3rd party candidates for Barbara Boxer's senate seat.

Hillary isn't fit to be President if she can't even grasp the absolute basics of cyber security.

Don't worry, Symantec has reached out and she's good now.

 

[Boombloxer]

I wasn't trying to imply that it was sufficient for Sanders to win the pledged delegate count. I was implying that it'd be enough of a win to sway superdelegates.

Honestly, I was willing to vote for Hillary in the general election up until yesterday. I bought into the narrative that the whole thing was just a matter of convenience, an honest mistake.

But now, I'm 100% Bernie-or-bust, because Hillary didn't just make a mistake, but she lied about it and tried to cover it up.

It's sad, really. For any government to work, it needs 2 things: transparency and constitutionality. We now have the least transparent candidate in history (emails, transcripts, etc.) running against someone nominated on a platform that openly defies the constitution (Muslim monitoring, curbing free speech, punishing women for health choices).

All it's going to take is a single major Democratic leader (Harry Reid, DWS, Obama) or an indictment to call for Hillary to drop out.

The most incredible part of this post is the last sentence. Call on the presumptive nominee to drop out because of an email server issue.

Fucking lol

 

[Goodstyle]

I wasn't trying to imply that it was sufficient for Sanders to win the pledged delegate count. I was implying that it'd be enough of a win to sway superdelegates.

Honestly, I was willing to vote for Hillary in the general election up until yesterday. I bought into the narrative that the whole thing was just a matter of convenience, an honest mistake.

But now, I'm 100% Bernie-or-bust, because Hillary didn't just make a mistake, but she lied about it and tried to cover it up.

It's sad, really. For any government to work, it needs 2 things: transparency and constitutionality. We now have the least transparent candidate in history (emails, transcripts, etc.) running against someone nominated on a platform that openly defies the constitution (Muslim monitoring, curbing free speech, punishing women for health choices).

All it's going to take is a single major Democratic leader (Harry Reid, DWS, Obama) or an indictment to call for Hillary to drop out.

You don't seem to concerned about the public if you're actually counting on Supers to sway the election towards the favour of the guy who go less votes and delegates.

 

[Bel Marduk]

I really hope this is organized quickly and on national television.

I am ready to donate to see it happen. The more that watch the better.

Also need to make sure Hillary can't show up. She needs to live with the pitiful decision of backing out of that debate.

I'd donate too. I disagree.. hopefully she does show up! I'd love a three-way debate.

 

[IrishNinja]

yes, knowledge of cyber-security; that's the single issue i look for in my candidate

You do realize that was a quote from the article I linked right?

"The reactions to this thread are proof that she really did have something to lose." < your next quote was about primaries & a candidacy she has on lock, so

You don't seem to concerned about the public if you're actually counting on Supers to sway the election towards the favour of the guy who go less votes and delegates.

haha, yup

 

[Link]

y'all are really gonna have a hard time with the coming weeks, and that's a shame, because the math is there for you right now

It's not going to be pretty, going by the bitter and defiant tantrums completely detached from reality that we're already getting.

 

[Feep]

Hillary isn't fit to be President if she can't even grasp the absolute basics of cyber security.

There is not a presidential candidate in history, nor is there likely to be in the near future, who understands the basics of cyber security.

Considering federal servers have been hacked as well, I'm not sure you do, either.

 

[B4s5C]

"The reactions to this thread are proof that she really did have something to lose." < your next quote was about primaries & a candidacy she has on lock, so

Yes, which highlighted reasonings on why this debate could be a negative for Hillary Clinton. There are multiple sentences in there to talk about.

If you want to talk about the pros and cons laid out in that article, I am up for it.

If you want to post gif reactions and make snarky remarks based on my candidate of choice, don't bother replying to me.

 

[Officerrob]

I can't believe there are people who still believe that Bernie can win the primary, it's just sad

 

[Mattenth]

Obama lost California and NY and the superdelegates didn't override his pledged delegate lead.

Obama didn't break rules while serving as a US Senator.

To be honest, I'm a little baffled by the reaction here. This is serious fucking shit. This is one of the most powerful people in the world openly defying rules and processes that the Federal government has established.

Hillary hasn't even mounted a palatable response. Multiple publications, including the NYTimes and MSNBC, have rebuffed the 203-word statement put out by her campaign.

This shit isn't going away. This wasn't some "oops I messed up." There's intent in those emails and statements. There's intimidation surfacing from those interviews. There's grossly negligent mismanagement of key communication channels. All of this while serving the office that's 4th in line to the Presidency, literally one of the most powerful offices in the world.

The Washington Post had the best dig of all. A cable with her penned signature on it sent out to all consulates and embassies told them not to use personal email and to report if they suspected hackers trying to get into personal accounts. She did neither.

Ultimate fucking hypocrite.

Y'all are just as delusional as me (a Bernie supporter) if you think that Donald Trump can't beat her. He can.

 

[Link]

I can't believe there are people who still believe that Bernie can win the primary, it's just sad

Hey, as soon as Hillary gets sent to supermax, it's smooth sailing.

 

[Godslay]

Actually he does.
The Senate Budget Committee Chair

He can kiss that goodbye if he drags it out to the convention with the same bullshit.
His campaign was partly responsible for the bullshit in Nevada thanks to CNN doing some actual reporting and getting a recording of them instructing their delegates.

Seems to upset you that he hasn't bowed down. There's nothing wrong with him seeing out the process.

If Hillary has effectively closed this, then she should have nothing to worry about and shouldn't have an issue with him finishing what he started.

Nobody has won until the Supers do their thing in July. If Bernie wants to push his message until they cast their votes and put her over the required count in July? More power to him in my mind.

If Hillary is a strong enough candidate then this shouldn't be an issue.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Y'all are just as delusional as me (a Bernie supporter) if you think that Donald Trump can't beat her. He can.

Well at least you acknowledge your state of mine.

Btw Trump could win against either. It's not likely to happen but it could sooo....

 

[IrishNinja]

Yes, which highlighted reasonings on why this debate could be a negative for Hillary Clinton. There are multiple sentences in there to talk about.

If you want to talk about the pros and cons laid out in that article, I am up for it.

If you want to post gif reactions and make snarky remarks based on my candidate of choice, don't bother replying to me.

your thesis statement was tied to an article with faulty premises: it's first/biggest "pro" is something that's not on the table
and i'll reply where i like, thanks!

Y'all are just as delusional as me (a Bernie supporter) if you think that Donald Trump can't beat her. He can.

hold on, tracking down more laughing gifs

 

[Bel Marduk]

The Washington Post had the best dig of all. A cable with her penned signature on it sent out to all consulates and embassies told them not to use personal email and to report if they suspected hackers trying to get into personal accounts. She did neither.

Ultimate fucking hypocrite.

Y'all are just as delusional as me (a Bernie supporter) if you think that Donald Trump can't beat her. He can.

Holy shit. I wasn't aware of that. I'd imagine we're going to hear a lot more about that from now until November. How stupid could she be.

 

[Officerrob]

Trump can absolutely win, it's just he's not favored to win. Betting markets put Hillary at about a 60-65% favorite. Bernie can't win the primary, it's over

 

[Hindl]

Well, she can't technically wrap up anything until the convention. Sanders will drag it out. If he wants to cleanse the DNC by staying until the end? That's fine by me. He has no real incentive to drop out, and shouldn't.

As far as the indictment. Nobody knows what will happen, but some key pieces slid into place yesterday. It's getting harder to ignore, but I guess we can just go back to ignoring it like I was told to do in the Poligaf thread.

This race should have been a slam dunk for her. Yet, here we are.

I mean, they'll go to the convention and it'll be first vote then over. No superdelegates are going to Sanders. He's spent the last two months going scorched earth on them they have no reason to support him.

As for the news regarding the emails, to me it sounds like "previous Secretaries of State, including most notably and most egregiously Hillary Clinton, have done a poor job regarding the safety and integrity of government emails. This cannot happen again, and we need to put in place protocols so that future SoS can't do this", and less "Hillary Clinton is guilty and going to jail". Consider that this is the conclusion in the report:

Longstanding, systemic weaknesses related to electronic records and communications have existed within the Office of the Secretary that go well beyond the tenure of any one Secretary of State. OIG recognizes that technology and Department Policy have evolved considerably since Secretary Albright's tenure began in 1997. Nevertheless, the Department generally and the Office of the Secretary in particular have been slow to recognize and to manage effectively the legal requirements and cybersecurity risks associated with electronic data communications, particularly as those risks pertain to its most senior leadership. OIG expects that its recommendations will move the Department steps closer to meaningfully addressing these risks

Recommendations

1. Recommendation 1: The Bureau of Administration should
   • continue to issue guidance, including periodic, regular notices, to Department employees to remind them that the use of personal email accounts to conduct official business is discouraged in most circumstances,
   • clarify and give specific examples of the types of limited circumstances in which such use would be permissible, and
   • instruct employees how to preserve Federal records when using personal email accounts
2. Recommendation 2: The Bureau of Administration should amend the Foreign Affairs Manual to reflect the updates to Department recordkeeping systems that provide alternatives to print and file emails that constitute Federal records.
3. Recommendation 3: The Office of the Secretary, Executive Secretariat, should work with the Office of Information Programs and Services to conduct an inventory of all electronic and hardcopy files in its custody and evaluate them to determine which files should be transferred to the Office of Information Programs and Services in accordance with records disposition schedules or Department email preservation requirements.
4. Recommendation 4: The Office of the Secretary, Executive Secretariat, should work with the Office of Information Programs and Services to improve policies and procedures to promote compliance by all employees within its purview, including the Secretary, with records management requirements. These policies should cover the retirement of records in accordance with records disposition schedules, preservation of email and other electronic records of departing officials, and training of employees on their records preservation responsibilities.
5. Recommendation 5: The Office of the Secretary, Executive Secretariat, should work with the Office of Information Programs and Services to ensure that all departing officials within its purview, including the Secretary of State, sign a separation form (DS-109) certifying that they have surrendered all Federal records and classified or administratively controlled documents. In addition, staff should ensure that all incoming officials within its purview, including the Secretary, are thoroughly briefed on their records preservation and retention responsibilities, including records contained on personal email accounts.
6. Recommendation 6: The Department&#8217;s Transparency Coordinator should work with the Office of Information Programs and Services to develop a quality assurance plan to promptly identify and address Department-wide vulnerabilities in the records preservation process, including lack of oversight and the broad inaccessibility of electronic records.
7. Recommendation 7: The Bureau of Information Resource Management should
   &#8226; issue regular notices to remind Department employees of the risks associated with the
   use of non-Departmental systems;
   &#8226;provide periodic briefings on such risks to staff at all levels; and
   &#8226;evaluate the cost and feasibility of conducting regular audits of computer system usage
   to ascertain the degree to which Department employees are following the laws and
   policies concerning the use of personal email accounts.
8. Recommendation 8: The Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human
   Resources should amend the Foreign Affairs Manual to provide for administrative penalties for Department employees who (1) fail to comply with recordkeeping laws and regulations or (2) fail to comply with Department policy that only authorized information systems are to be used to conduct day-to-day operations. The amendment should include explicit steps employees should take if a reasonable suspicion exists that documents are not being preserved appropriately, including a reminder that the Office of Inspector General has jurisdiction to investigate and refer to appropriate authorities suspected violations of records preservation requirements.

Source
So again, this kinda just sounds like a security audit, where they are taking steps to address the problem in the future. What part of this report leads you to think Hillary is closer to indictment?

 

[Brinbe]

Obama didn't break rules while serving as a US Senator.

To be honest, I'm a little baffled by the reaction here. This is serious fucking shit. This is one of the most powerful people in the world openly defying rules and processes that the Federal government has established.

Hillary hasn't even mounted a palatable response. Multiple publications, including the NYTimes and MSNBC, have rebuffed the 203-word statement put out by her campaign.

This shit isn't going away. This wasn't some "oops I messed up." There's intent in those emails and statements. There's intimidation surfacing from those interviews. There's grossly negligent mismanagement of key communication channels. All of this while serving the office that's 4th in line to the Presidency, literally one of the most powerful offices in the world.

The Washington Post had the best dig of all. A cable with her penned signature on it sent out to all consulates and embassies told them not to use personal email and to report if they suspected hackers trying to get into personal accounts. She did neither.

Ultimate fucking hypocrite.

Y'all are just as delusional as me (a Bernie supporter) if you think that Donald Trump can't beat her. He can.

No, he can't. Demographics+electoral college. Please paint me a plausible path to 270 for Donald.

 

[Mattenth]

Well at least you acknowledge your state of mine.

Btw Trump could win against either. It's not likely to happen but it could sooo....

I just want to know how can you (or Superdelegates) bring yourselves to vote for someone that has a credible ongoing FBI investigation?

Again, it's not a right-wing conspiracy anymore. It's not an "oops I messed up." She's been caught deceiving the American public. She's been caught intimidating her own staff. She's been caught disregarding several rules of our government.

 

[Bel Marduk]

Trump can absolutely win, it's just he's not favored to win. Betting markets put Hillary at about a 60-65% favorite. Bernie can't win the primary, it's over

Those betting markets probably won't be solvent for very long. They have a really shaky history.

 

[Eidan]

All these anti-Bernie posts.
It's not like it matters.

Hillary is going to win regardless.

The man is an idiot. He deserves the ridicule.

 

[Link]

Seems to upset you that he hasn't bowed down. There's nothing wrong with him seeing out the process.

If Hillary has effectively closed this, then she should have nothing to worry about and shouldn't have an issue with him finishing what he started.

Nobody has won until the Supers do their thing in July. If Bernie wants to push his message until they cast their votes and put her over the required count in July? More power to him in my mind.

If Hillary is a strong enough candidate then this shouldn't be an issue.

Can we stop this ridiculous train of thought? This is akin to saying, "Hey, that Titanic is supposed be be unsinkable, so why do you care if I keep throwing icebergs at it?!"

You just sound petty. If you're fine with your defiant little man refusing to accept reality and stoking the flames of resentment, then good for you, but let's not act like it's anything more than that. It's certainly not about the message.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Seems to upset you that he hasn't bowed down. There's nothing wrong with him seeing out the process.

If Hillary has effectively closed this, then she should have nothing to worry about and shouldn't have an issue with him finishing what he started.

Nobody has won until the Supers do their thing in July. If Bernie wants to push his message until they cast their votes and put her over the required count in July? More power to him in my mind.

If Hillary is a strong enough candidate then this shouldn't be an issue.

No one is saying Bernie has no right to stay in but we can certainly question the wisdom of him doing so.

It's foolish to berate Hillary for not being able to put it away just because Bernie is too stubborn to drop out.

Would you say the same of Trump if Jim Gilmore were still running?

 

[Mattenth]

No, he can't. Demographics+electoral college. Please paint me a plausible path to 270 for Donald.

Sure. It starts with those Wall St. transcripts getting leaked in October. Maybe an indictment (felony or misdemeanor) in September. Maybe Gary Johnson or whoever actually starts mounting a real 3rd party campaign (she's at 11% polling nationally btw, and if that holds, she'll be included in the Presidential debates).



Edit: Incorrectly said Jill Stein. I meant Gary Johnson.