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[Outdoor Miner]

Man this thread's a mess. Sad!

I love how someone thinks Trump will take PA, OH, and FL. At least they were nice enough to give MI to Clinton.

 

[Boombloxer]

I just can't believe that you guys are dismissing the inspector general's email report as irrelevant.

We're talking about the conduct of someone holding one of the most powerful offices in the world ignoring hack attempts, breaking rules and lying about it.

You guys really don't think that's a serious issue?

If Hillary was caught behaving this way as President, would that be "ok"?

In face of everything else? Fuck no.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I just can't believe that you guys are dismissing the inspector general's email report as irrelevant.

We're talking about the conduct of someone holding one of the most powerful offices in the world ignoring hack attempts, breaking rules and lying about it.

You guys really don't think that's a serious issue?

I gave it the seriousness it warranted and I actually looked into it rather than let someone else tell me what to think about it. I also know the report did not single out Clinton in any major way and criticized procedures within the Department as a whole. Furthermore, I know that nothing they say will matter given that all anyone actually cares about is the FBI and their determination. Which as of less than a month ago, sources in the media said they haven't found anything yet that would be worthy of charges.

 

[Davide]

I just can't believe that you guys are dismissing the inspector general's email report as irrelevant.

We're talking about the conduct of someone holding one of the most powerful offices in the world ignoring hack attempts, breaking rules and lying about it.

You guys really don't think that's a serious issue?

If Hillary was caught behaving this way as President, would that be "ok"?

This, completely. These people really don't like to acknowledge any of these serious flaws.

I do not want to dislike her but I think she could be so easily defeated this GE.

 

[Fat4all]

Do people bringing up Jill Stein have any idea what her stances are, other than not being Hillary? She's an anti-science nut who called autism an epidemic.

People who say they are voting for the Green party seem to conveniently overlook that...

 

[border]

I just can't believe that you guys are dismissing the inspector general's email report as irrelevant.

We're talking about the conduct of someone holding one of the most powerful offices in the world ignoring hack attempts, breaking rules and lying about it.

You guys really don't think that's a serious issue?

Even Bernie Sanders dismisses the issue as a partisan witch hunt.

 

[IrishNinja]

"I am willingly acting against my own interests, but please don't blame me for it."

such a cowardly stance

"women's health issues", haha this guy is clever.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/735901681502683136

"...or something"

yeah, no way this guy's playing ol bernie like a fiddle here

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

This, completely. These people really don't like to acknowledge any of these serious flaws.

I do not want to dislike her but I think she could be so easily defeated this GE.

The problem is, Republicans spent 6 months telling us that she was going to jail for sure and now they're saying well maybe it was just bad judgement because their smoking gun has not appeared yet. They built it up so that anything less is clearly a letdown.

 

[norm9]

Do people bringing up Jill Stein have any idea what her stances are, other than not being Hillary? She's an anti-science nut who called autism an epidemic.

But she's anti-establishment. That's good enough for me to support against Shillary Rotten Slytherin.

 

[Mattenth]

Even Bernie Sanders dismisses the issue as a partisan witch hunt.

No, he hasn't. He said he wants to debate the issues, but he has never dismissed it as illegitimate. He's said that the FBI should conduct its investigation.

 

[Davide]

I love how someone thinks Trump will take PA, OH, and FL. At least they were nice enough to give MI to Clinton.

Might want to take a look at this survey.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-clinton-florida-ohio-pennsylvania-222994

 

[Jenov]

Well, if you don't like Trump, then you should accept the blame for putting him in office, and he does something horrible.

You had the option of voting for someone with a realistic chance that was going to be better than Trump. You choose not to exercise it.

That's what a general election is about. You can hold to your principles all you want in a primary. However, the general is about picking the realistic option. The time to debate on your choice is over. You had that debate in the primary. You lost it.

I know this well, since I once thought like you. My guy lost in the primary. I was salty. I decided not to vote for John Kerry. I was a fucking idiot.

A motherfucking idiot.

Lesson: Don't be me.

So it's YOUR fault /shakingfist (I voted Kerry)

Don't be like Sirpopopop in 2004.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

No, he hasn't. He said he wants to debate the issues, but he has never dismissed it as illegitimate. He's said that the FBI should conduct its investigation.

What do you think of the fact that there an article that Clinton will be interviewed soon and that the investigation is in the tail end of the process? The same article which clearly claimed FBI officials told their sources that they have not found anything worthy of charges?

 

[Big Baybee]

No, he hasn't. He said he wants to debate the issues, but he has never dismissed it as illegitimate. He's said that the FBI should conduct its investigation.

Yes, he did. "No one cares about your damn emails!"

 

[Simon Belmont]

No, he hasn't. He said he wants to debate the issues, but he has never dismissed it as illegitimate. He's said that the FBI should conduct its investigation.

You thought Joe Scarborough was a democrat. Are you sure you're not just misinformed?

 

[Clockwork5]

Might want to take a look at this survey.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-clinton-florida-ohio-pennsylvania-222994

GAF taught me that polls don't matter. Look to the Vegas odds if you want to know the truth.

 

[kess]

If I were Trump, I'd almost be suspecting something. All he has to do is co-opt Sander's outsider message and say he's the best chance to win the Presidency because he's already clinched the nomination.

Bernie is a mess!

 

[Feep]

No, he hasn't. He said he wants to debate the issues, but he has never dismissed it as illegitimate. He's said that the FBI should conduct its investigation.

"Enough of the emails – let’s talk about the real issues facing the American people."

Quote unquote. E-mail is not a real issue.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

GAF taught me that polls don't matter. Look to the Vegas odds if you want to know the truth.

I've had to educate you a couple of times already today but here's one more. Look at the averages.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...residential-general-election-trump-vs-clinton
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-ohio-president-trump-vs-clinton
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-pennsylvania-president-trump-vs-clinton

 

[Big Baybee]

GAF taught me that polls don't matter. Look to the Vegas odds if you want to know the truth.

Polls now don't matter and they never do before any GE. Let's talk after the conventions.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Polls now don't matter and they never do in any GE. Let's talk after the conventions.

Even if they did, he's still losing.

 

[Mattenth]

So when Hillary Clinton holds the one of the most powerful offices in the world, 4th in the line-of-succession, and she ignores hack attempts, breaks federal rules (and maybe even federal law), fails to turn over records and lies to the American people, that's OK?

If she did that as President, that'd be OK?

This forum is clearly not for me, heh. You guys are fucking insane if you don't think this is a legitimate issue. And the Democratic party is going to lose a ton of support if they don't recognize it either.

The tiny "oops I'm sorry" and 203-word statement put out so far are woefully inadequate as multiple Democratic pundits have called out.

 

[Damerman]

Honestly, I don't understand any other reaction.

Smh... You're beyond ridiculous.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Might want to take a look at this survey.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-clinton-florida-ohio-pennsylvania-222994

You can fancy all the "general election polls in May" that your heart desires. I will be here in November and I will be right when I say Trump isn't winning a single one of the aforementioned battleground states.

 

[Staccat0]

If Hillary is a strong candidate, this is a speed bump. Bernie can continue to push his message. Yet, it seems to get people riled up that he's staying in a race that effectively can't be decided until July. You already see the DNC making concessions, so why stop now?

As far as the internal State Department evaluation, the recommendations are just that. Fixes to internal processes. She did break several rules though, which depending on how the FBI looks at it could be criminal. Was that server approved? Doesn't seem that way looking at the evaluation. It's not a good look for her to have this level of negligence for a department she ran come to the public eye, after repeatedly telling us that the server was approved and everything was shipshape.

The other key piece that is sliding into place is Guccifer. There are some interesting events revolving around that.

I don't know if she'll get indicted and neither does anyone else here. If it was nothing though, it wouldn't continue to loom over her campaign like it has. Probably just a right wing conspiracy.

What are you scared of? Why are you scared? Hillary's got this wrapped up, shouldn't be an issue.

Personally, I am annoyed as a former Sanders supporter because it would CLEARLY help Trump which would directly damage what I thought sanders stood for. Not that complicated. Sanders doing this only helps Trump and Sanders himself. Not Sanders' policies which are bigger than the man himself. Shit wasn't a trend for me.

Smh... You're beyond ridiculous.

Naw, I just believed in what Bernie was selling. Seeing him publicly damage his own policies for the sake of his own personal ego is pathetic. It takes a severe lack of imagination to not see this for exactly what it is: Trump getting an hour on TV to lie to Sanders supporters and promise them the moon.

 

[Davide]

You can fancy all the "general election polls in May" that your heart desires. I will be here in November and I will be right when I say Trump isn't winning a single one of the aforementioned battleground states.

I really hope so, but I really think it's a good possibility numbers will only go up.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I really hope so, but I really think it's a good possibility numbers will only go up.

One of the biggest polls people were waving around was from Rasumussen with Trump +5 then another one comes out from them today with Clinton +1, a swing of 6 points. So what was the point of freaking out?

 

[Brinbe]

Might want to take a look at this survey.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-clinton-florida-ohio-pennsylvania-222994

two can play the poltico game, dawg
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-november-insiders-222598

In the swing states that matter most in the presidential race, Donald Trump doesn’t have a prayer against Hillary Clinton in the general election.

That’s according to top operatives, strategists and activists in 10 battleground states who participated in this week’sa POLITICO Caucus. Nearly 90 percent of them said Clinton would defeat Trump in their home states in a November matchup.

Republicans are only slightly more bullish on Trump’s prospects than Democrats: More than three-quarters of GOP insiders expect Clinton to best the Republican front-runner in a general-election contest in their respective states. Among Democrats, the belief is nearly universal: 99 percent of surveyed said will Clinton will beat Trump.

In three of the biggest swing states — Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida — Republicans were particularly downbeat about the prospect of a Trump-Clinton contest.

“There is positively no way for Trump to win in Pennsylvania,” said a Republican from that state.

“Trump cannot and will not carry Ohio,” a Republican from that state insisted. “He will do well in Appalachia and in the Mahoning Valley, but he will get killed in the rest of the state. The danger for the GOP is losing Rob Portman, which is a very real possibility under this matchup.”

Bernie stans need to smarten up.

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/cr...ieve-this-time-donald-trump-and-barack-obama/

 

[Simon Belmont]

So when Hillary Clinton holds the one of the most powerful offices in the world, 4th in the line-of-succession, and she ignores hack attempts, breaks federal rules (and maybe even federal law), fails to turn over records and lies to the American people, that's OK?

If she did that as President, that'd be OK?

This forum is clearly not for me, heh. You guys are fucking insane if you don't think this is a legitimate issue. And the Democratic party is going to lose a ton of support if they don't recognize it either.

The tiny "oops I'm sorry" and 203-word statement put out so far are woefully inadequate as multiple pundits have called out.

You've been taking your information from reading opinion pieces without a clear idea of what the writers political bias is. Are you sure you're not misinformed?

 

[Godslay]

Personally, I am annoyed as a former Sanders supporter because it would CLEARLY help Trump which would directly damage what I thought sanders stood for. Not that complicated. Sanders doing this only helps Trump and Sanders himself. Not Sanders' policies which are bigger than the man himself. Shit wasn't a trend for me.

If Bernie is weak, and Hillary is strong then who cares? Shouldn't even be issue.

You've been taking your information from reading opinion pieces without a clear idea of what the writers political bias is. Are you sure you're not misinformed?

You can't deny that it's a valid issue.

The email stuff is all over the news, and the FBI is still actively investigating it. The State Dept, also said that she had no legal grounds to have that private server and was above and beyond what any other SoS did. Not to mention the records keeping issue as well.

 

[Mattenth]

You've been taking your information from reading opinion pieces without a clear idea of what the writers political bias is. Are you sure you're not misinformed?

Yes. I've read much of the report myself. I'll grab some screenshots for you later tonight.

You can read the report here: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2842429/ESP-16-03-Final.pdf

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

If Bernie is weak, and Hillary is strong then who cares? Shouldn't even be issue.

What if someone said we should keep replaying the SuperBowl matchup this year. You think the Broncos will win every single time? No candidate is so god damn strong that a two front effort, one within their own party, is going to leave them unscathed.

 

[Davide]

Yes. I've read much of the report myself. I'll grab some screenshots for you later tonight.

You can read the report here: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2842429/ESP-16-03-Final.pdf

Yes, the report clearly names specific ways of how Clinton did not follow the policies. People here are downplaying the issue more than CNN.

Also watching CNN and Trump said he'd love to debate Bernie quite seriously.

 

[danm999]

Democratic Party Elder Morning Joe.

 

[Davide]

Per the comments earlier of how Obama losing California to Clinton in 2008 didn't hurt him in the convention: that primary took place in February.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Democratic Party Elder Morning Joe.

If you don't believe him, there's that well-known Democratic news source, the Chicago Tribune.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Per the comments earlier of how Obama losing California to Clinton in 2008 didn't hurt him in the convention: that primary took place in February.

He lost 7 of the last 9 contests.

 

[Clockwork5]

I've had to educate you a couple of times already today but here's one more. Look at the averages.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...residential-general-election-trump-vs-clinton
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-ohio-president-trump-vs-clinton
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-pennsylvania-president-trump-vs-clinton

Those polls do not lend weight to the reaction of laughter and dismissal when someone suggests those states are in contention.

 

[Big Baybee]

He lost 7 of the last 9 contests.

I find it hard to reply without sarcasm lol. You are doing work, breh.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Those polls do not lend weight to the reaction of laughter and dismissal when someone suggests those states are in contention.

You're right, Clinton is only leading 15 out of every 16 polls. It's a dead heat.

 

[danm999]

If you don't believe him, there's that well-known Democratic news source, the Chicago Tribune.

Yep.

They endorsed Bush both times, and Obama both times, but they're kinda like the Wall Street Journal in that they stray right of centre in economic policy.

 

[Staccat0]

If Bernie is weak, and Hillary is strong then who cares? Shouldn't even be issue.

Did you not read what you replied to? I'm seriously confused if you even read what I wrote. I 'm trying to think of another way to explain my POV here...

The issue isn't with Sanders trying to win the primary. The issue is him helping Trump win the general for funzos. What does that have to do with "If Bernie is weak, and Hillary is strong then who cares?"

Bernie can do what he wants, but giving Trump free publicity and a bullhorn pointed at the misguided minority of his supporters does nothing to accomplish the things I thought the man stood for. It's just ego bullshit. Honestly there are pages and pages of this. I dunno what else to say.

 

[Mattenth]

Report is here: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2842429/ESP-16-03-Final.pdf

Page 33, Hillary knowingly and willfully breaking the rules:

Page 40... Hillary is clearly implicated in emails recovered by the investigator general that she knew there were hack attempts on her personal server. Also against the rules, which state that she has an obligation to report it even for personal accounts:

Also page 40...

Footnote, page 40...

 

[Box of Kittens]

Yep.

What I really want to know is what other Democratic news sources are saying. You know, like the New York Post, Breitbart, or the RNC's Twitter account.

 

[Damerman]

What if someone said we should keep replaying the SuperBowl matchup this year. You think the Broncos will win every single time? No candidate is so god damn strong that a two front effort, one within their own party, is going to leave them unscathed.

This is simply illogical. I dont even understand.

 

[Staccat0]

This is simply illogical. I dont even understand.

Yeah that's a bad analogy for sure, haha

 

[Clockwork5]

You're right, Clinton is only leading 15 out of every 16 polls. It's a dead heat.

You're right, skirting the margin of error in these battleground states should inspire a tremendous amount of confidence within the Democratic Party.

 

[danm999]

You're right, skirting the margin of error in these battleground states should inspire a tremendous amount of confidence within the Denocratic Party.

If over a dozen different polls produce the same result you need to be less worried about the margin of error in any single poll.

 

[Godslay]

Did you not read what you replied to? I'm seriously confused if you even read what I wrote. I 'm trying to think of another way to explain my POV here...

The issue isn't with Sanders trying to win the primary. The issue is him helping Trump win the general for funzos. What does that have to do with "If Bernie is weak, and Hillary is strong then who cares?"

Bernie can do what he wants, but giving Trump free publicity and a bullhorn pointed at the misguided minority of his supporters does nothing to accomplish the things I thought the man stood for. It's just ego bullshit. Honestly there are pages and pages of this. I dunno what else to say.

If Hillary is a strong candidate, then she should have no issue defeating Trump on her own merit.

Bernie riding his message out until the convention shouldn't even matter in that case.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

You're right, skirting the margin of error in these battleground states should inspire a tremendous amount of confidence within the Denocratic Party.

Florida and Ohio are classic swing states. What are you expecting? Any candidate would be pleased with these results. Obama barely won Florida.