Singer's version of the Shiar Empire would probably be ancient humans who discovered advanced technology, left Earth, and formed their own human galactic empire in the far reaches of space or something. And Apocalypse simply errr... found some of their leftover tech in the past.
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[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse
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Singer's version of the Shiar Empire would probably be ancient humans who discovered advanced technology, left Earth, and formed their own human galactic empire in the far reaches of space or something. And Apocalypse simply errr... found some of their leftover tech in the past.
I feel X-men would work so much better as a large budget TV show. The premise of it is so fat reaching. It's a coming of age, it's a prejudice allegory, it's got cosmic beings space, it's got evil ancient Egyptians, it's got evil science experiments gone wrong, an amnesiac trying to find his memories and place in the world...I'm not saying a movie can't contain all those things, but it would be nice to let the kids school lives actually breathe for a bit.
Speaking of which, why hasn't there been an X-men cartoon in God knows how long?
Speaking of which, why hasn't there been an X-men cartoon in God knows how long?
brandonh83
Banned
I need approx. 57 more movies with Sophie Turner's Jean Grey.
Don't Fox own only the movie rights? I'd assume Marvel/Disney wouldn't want to make a cartoon that could increase Fox's profits. Though there have been more recent Spider-Man cartoons (Before the deal with Sony)..so idk.
I seem to recall Singer talking about the M'Kraan Crystal in an interview. He might try going that way.
darkwing-buck
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Def don''t mind spoilers seeing as how I won't watch this movie until it comes to cable, how was cyclops and jean grey?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Is that the one where Storm gets attacked by a tentacle monster?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I really hate Mr. Sinister.
Dark Phoenix as the villain for the next Xmen film?
While I think Fox is 3/3 on the new Xmen films (First Class and DOFP) I do think this was the weakest but the special effects were insanity and its a good popcorn flick. Wolvie immediately got the spotlight whenever he was on screen and hopefully now that the new Wolverine movie is gonna be rated R, it'll actually be good. What did ya think of Psylocke? Me and my friends are torn but ultimately I don't think there's enough to judge her off seeing as he said like 5 things in the entire movie.
McAvoy and Fassbender continue to shine, wish McAvoy would do more films tho
While I think Fox is 3/3 on the new Xmen films (First Class and DOFP) I do think this was the weakest but the special effects were insanity and its a good popcorn flick. Wolvie immediately got the spotlight whenever he was on screen and hopefully now that the new Wolverine movie is gonna be rated R, it'll actually be good. What did ya think of Psylocke? Me and my friends are torn but ultimately I don't think there's enough to judge her off seeing as he said like 5 things in the entire movie.
McAvoy and Fassbender continue to shine, wish McAvoy would do more films tho
Glass Rebel
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Watched it yesterday, found it quite middling, especially after First Class and DOFP. There are many, many issues with this movie but the one thing that bothered me the most was the excessive CGI. I think the guys from Double Toasted said it the best, at a certain point I was just physically exhausted from seeing another CGI heavy setpiece.
The Auschwitz scene was as unnecessary as I expected it to be and only served some shock value.
Zip-Zap was, imo, the most entertaining aspect of this movie, the mansion scene in particular.
The Auschwitz scene was as unnecessary as I expected it to be and only served some shock value.
Zip-Zap was, imo, the most entertaining aspect of this movie, the mansion scene in particular.
Alx
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The Auschwitz scene was the most obvious of all the self-references of the movies, that didn't actually helped making it unique. It's full of "hey remember that cool scene in the previous X-men ?". So there's the bent gate, the people minds in Cerebro, the obligatory Wolverine cutscene, the "Quicksilver in a world in slow-motion", ...
I also didn't like how useless the new horsemen were. The old ones in the intro seemed especially powerful and dedicated. The new ones felt like regular mutants, who were randomly picked, not especially faithful to Apocalypse, and apart from Magneto, not really powerful either.
The main actors are still great though, and the few jokes were funny.
Mr. Pointy
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Wait - this isn't Singer's last X-Men?
Hope not, I've enjoyed all his Xmen movies.
What about this movie isn't committed? Though in any event, I don't much care for the notion that his previous films were "legitimate X-Men". That they weren't as colourful, etc. isn't the determinant; he always did a great job with the X-Men's themes.
Up in the air. He's said he still wants to be involved (and specifically named a few stories he'd like to do, e.g., Proteus; note that the movie calls attention to Moira having a son), but he's making 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea next, so if there's going to be another one for 2019 or so, he can't direct it. Probably he'd be a producer.
Both of them were great. Had alot of chemistry as a group with Nightcrawler who was also great.
WadiumArcadium
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Both great. Good additions to the cast.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I really hate Jean Grey's actress. Felt she was wooden in her acting.
I don't like the "not my X-men" argument, but at the same time I think that it is fair to acknowledge that Singer's approach to the X-men holds back a lot on the more fantastical aspects of the comics. That's fine in the context that this is what Singer prefers - he wants to make more grounded sort of film which leverage the social themes. It worked wonders for X2 in particular.
But with DoFP and Apocalypse he applies the same sensibility to the visual design aspect of the films, while trying to let loose on the story choices and villains. That's when it starts to feel like there's a clash. He's not afraid to do Sentinels in DoFP, but yet the visual design feels so boring and unnecessarily tied to looking somewhat believable or "real", even when the entire future landscape is just a wasteland.
In Apocalypse he isn't afraid to depict an ancient immortal mutant using advanced technology to do body transfers and whatnot. None of that is remotely grounded or believable. But yet he still holds back on the visual design and seems unwilling to go all out. There's a deliberate attempt to shy away from mentions of the technology being alien. There's a deliberate attempt to pay homage to Apocalypse's mass shifting powers in the comics while not actually using it in "reality".
These are just quirks which makes fans wonder what the movies could be if Singer didn't have these reservations.
Nathan_Drake
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I saw it last night in the RPX theater no 3D. For me the nostalgia amd seeing things I have wanted for a while finally showing up outweigh the negatives. Damn near all comic book movies mess up the villain. So meh.
Anyways, for me seeing Psylocke was a dream come true. She was my first comic book crush ha. Sure she didnt do much other than appear in the group of 5 in a purple bubble. But she was there and had purple hair and it made me smile.
The true Weapon X costume was awesome. I had a 3.5 in action figure of that in the 90s. I will watch Wolverine all day.
Phoenix in Jean was beautiful at the end. I would like a print of that imagery. Sansa Stark wasn't my first choice but its ok.
Jubilee did nothing. Stryker stepped over her. Hahaha good. She is just an updated Dazzler. Gtfo here. Wish they had Rogue instead or a non Channing Tatum Gambit instead.
The Danger Room being created is awesome. Wish we could have seen a session. Still not a fan of the Sentinel design.
Overall it was worth my time and money. Cant believe they hid Oscars beautiful face but hey whatever. Mr. Sinister? Meh but sounds right. Give me Omega Red!
Anyways, for me seeing Psylocke was a dream come true. She was my first comic book crush ha. Sure she didnt do much other than appear in the group of 5 in a purple bubble. But she was there and had purple hair and it made me smile.
The true Weapon X costume was awesome. I had a 3.5 in action figure of that in the 90s. I will watch Wolverine all day.
Phoenix in Jean was beautiful at the end. I would like a print of that imagery. Sansa Stark wasn't my first choice but its ok.
Jubilee did nothing. Stryker stepped over her. Hahaha good. She is just an updated Dazzler. Gtfo here. Wish they had Rogue instead or a non Channing Tatum Gambit instead.
The Danger Room being created is awesome. Wish we could have seen a session. Still not a fan of the Sentinel design.
Overall it was worth my time and money. Cant believe they hid Oscars beautiful face but hey whatever. Mr. Sinister? Meh but sounds right. Give me Omega Red!
I don't see how he's holding back on the visual design.
As far as the technology, FOX doesn't have the rights to the Celestials anyway; it makes sense to make it all about Apocalypse himself, since that's more contained.
Yea, overall, this movie was alright, Thought the villain just didnt do enough elevate this movie.
From the way his terrible make up came across to his motivations, was just ehh.
Upon thinking about the third act though, I would of love to see apocalypse question Xavier before he died. Specifically mentioning how he disarmed the entire world but yet Xavier still has the biggest nuke of them all, jean gray, lol.
And I didn't buy too much of Magneto's move to switch sides either. Quicksilver should of revealed himself as his son then I could of seen him switching otherwise if I was Magneto, man, fuck Charles and Mystique, my family dead, I'm a wanted man, so imma go ahead and build a proper utopia for mutants that you all couldn't.
Still, the ending scene was dope and made me really curious and kinda excited as to where they'll go from here.
From the way his terrible make up came across to his motivations, was just ehh.
Upon thinking about the third act though, I would of love to see apocalypse question Xavier before he died. Specifically mentioning how he disarmed the entire world but yet Xavier still has the biggest nuke of them all, jean gray, lol.
And I didn't buy too much of Magneto's move to switch sides either. Quicksilver should of revealed himself as his son then I could of seen him switching otherwise if I was Magneto, man, fuck Charles and Mystique, my family dead, I'm a wanted man, so imma go ahead and build a proper utopia for mutants that you all couldn't.
Still, the ending scene was dope and made me really curious and kinda excited as to where they'll go from here.
A finale battle where all Apocalypse does is stand in the middle of rumble and deflect attacks off a shield is the very definition of holding back. Or running out of money I guess.
Spiderjericho
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Or maybe it's ironic, self deprecating. This was definitely the worst of the second trilogy. Not X3 bad but definitely a let down after the solid acting and storylines of the last two. An average film.
They probably could've focused this movie on the original team + Mystique, Mr Sinister, tying in Weapon X, inklings of Jean's power and some other dangling plot threads (like where is Wanda lol). Then they could've followed with Apocalypse, introduced Storm, Night Crawler, brought Wolverine in, etc.
TheAquaticApe
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Saw it last night as part of the company summer movie and I was pretty disappointed overall. There was so much setup and so many subplots. It felt like three movies crammed into one.
I did enjoy the Quicksilver scene. I thought that was very entertaining and fun.
Bummer that this one was a dud for me because I did enjoy the previous two.
I did enjoy the Quicksilver scene. I thought that was very entertaining and fun.
Bummer that this one was a dud for me because I did enjoy the previous two.
Got to see it yesterday.
I personally liked, as in i was invested in the characters they showed and all of that, but i think objectively was a very weak movie.
Lots and lots of weird cuts, like having one "Apocalypse mess things up" scene after the other, boring fights, too much slow-mo and the Wolverine scene felt kind of unnecessary.
Still enjoyed it though.
Really curious to see where they'll go after this, especially if most of the main cast actually doesn't come back.
I personally liked, as in i was invested in the characters they showed and all of that, but i think objectively was a very weak movie.
Lots and lots of weird cuts, like having one "Apocalypse mess things up" scene after the other, boring fights, too much slow-mo and the Wolverine scene felt kind of unnecessary.
Still enjoyed it though.
Really curious to see where they'll go after this, especially if most of the main cast actually doesn't come back.
Caddyshack
Banned
Saw this not too long ago. Not very good at all sadly. Really shitty handling of the characters across the board. Havoc's comedy death was a worse idea than the off-screen deaths ofall his team mates from FC :/
Laughed my ass off at the final battle being ripped straight from Cell's last stand in Dragonball Z though.
Laughed my ass off at the final battle being ripped straight from Cell's last stand in Dragonball Z though.
A finale battle where all Apocalypse does is stand in the middle of rumble and deflect attacks off a shield is the very definition of holding back. Or running out of money I guess.
They fired arrows from the Tower of Babel and thought they could strike God... but he had level eight force field power.
IndoAssassin
Banned
If Singer is so afraid to use traditional costumes, why not just go the Extraordinary X-Men route, where they are wearing normal clothes, but the colors are traditional for each character.
I don't get why he thinks they all need to wear leather.
I don't get why he thinks they all need to wear leather.
I saw it yesterday. That movie... was not good, but it was pretty entertaining (if not for the wrong reasons).
Oscar Isaac tried his fucking best to sell Apocalypse, and with a better script (and a better costume), he probably could have knocked it out of the park. With that in mind, I still liked him and Magneto's segments the best in the movie (even though the final fight of the movie had some comically bad CGI shots with Magneto). Quicksilver's scene with Sweet Dreams, although I felt it went on a little long (although, it went the entire song, so I guess that makes sense), was also very good. Angel becoming Mecha-Angel to Metallica's Four Horseman was kinda neat too.
Besides that, I did get some humor out of it. Me and my friends died laughing at some scenes that just seemed ridiculous even at the time, including Charles Xaiver mentally fist-fighting Apocalypse.
There was also an unintentionally hilarious scene where Jean and co. are trying to have a serious conversation about how to help Xaiver with this sad, serious background music while Apocalypse is literally screaming "CHARLES! WHERE ARE YOU CHARLES?! GET DOWN HERE CHARLES!" in the background.
So in the end, I have seen a lot better, but I have seen a lot worse and at least the movie kept me and my friends entertained at least. There was definitely a good movie in here somewhere, but it just... flounders at a lot of crucial moments (the actual non Quicksilver/Nightcrawler X-Men are still boring, JLaw is just cashing her check like Tyrese in a Fast and Furious movie at this point, they made Apocalypse way too powerful and almost wrote themselves into a corner so they had to go "uh... do DBZ energy blasts, have Magneto suddenly turn face, and have Jean do psychic shit I guess, who cares that Apocalypse has super regeneration and shit just make his powers not work all of a sudden").
Oscar Isaac tried his fucking best to sell Apocalypse, and with a better script (and a better costume), he probably could have knocked it out of the park. With that in mind, I still liked him and Magneto's segments the best in the movie (even though the final fight of the movie had some comically bad CGI shots with Magneto). Quicksilver's scene with Sweet Dreams, although I felt it went on a little long (although, it went the entire song, so I guess that makes sense), was also very good. Angel becoming Mecha-Angel to Metallica's Four Horseman was kinda neat too.
Besides that, I did get some humor out of it. Me and my friends died laughing at some scenes that just seemed ridiculous even at the time, including Charles Xaiver mentally fist-fighting Apocalypse.
There was also an unintentionally hilarious scene where Jean and co. are trying to have a serious conversation about how to help Xaiver with this sad, serious background music while Apocalypse is literally screaming "CHARLES! WHERE ARE YOU CHARLES?! GET DOWN HERE CHARLES!" in the background.
So in the end, I have seen a lot better, but I have seen a lot worse and at least the movie kept me and my friends entertained at least. There was definitely a good movie in here somewhere, but it just... flounders at a lot of crucial moments (the actual non Quicksilver/Nightcrawler X-Men are still boring, JLaw is just cashing her check like Tyrese in a Fast and Furious movie at this point, they made Apocalypse way too powerful and almost wrote themselves into a corner so they had to go "uh... do DBZ energy blasts, have Magneto suddenly turn face, and have Jean do psychic shit I guess, who cares that Apocalypse has super regeneration and shit just make his powers not work all of a sudden").
ArgyleReptile
Banned
Saw it yesterday, but didn't comment.
I felt it was decent enough. Was flawed, but still had some entertaining moments.
Kinda mad that we basically saw everything the Horseman had to offer in the trailers. They were just their to be collected it seems. Then again, those were their most entertaining parts.
I also have a problem with Stryker arrival, but I just can't put my finger on what it is about it that I don't like. I want to say if feels disconnected, but I understand that seeing the humans investigate what was going on could be important. It just didn't feel important though. Also, why did Stryker kidnap Quicksilver?
Speaking of Quicksilver, I liked his scene, but didn't like the scoring. I imagine they wanted to do a synth song because 80's, but it really didn't fit thematically. Unfortuantely, I can't seem to think of a synth song that would fit so...yeah. Non synth though? We Care a Lot.
I felt it was decent enough. Was flawed, but still had some entertaining moments.
Kinda mad that we basically saw everything the Horseman had to offer in the trailers. They were just their to be collected it seems. Then again, those were their most entertaining parts.
I also have a problem with Stryker arrival, but I just can't put my finger on what it is about it that I don't like. I want to say if feels disconnected, but I understand that seeing the humans investigate what was going on could be important. It just didn't feel important though. Also, why did Stryker kidnap Quicksilver?
Speaking of Quicksilver, I liked his scene, but didn't like the scoring. I imagine they wanted to do a synth song because 80's, but it really didn't fit thematically. Unfortuantely, I can't seem to think of a synth song that would fit so...yeah. Non synth though? We Care a Lot.
I am starting a campagin to get Marvel to give Carol to Singer, I am sure I can have your support
illmatic22
Banned
No. She was referenced in a DOFP deleted scene but that's it.
For All Its Faults, X-Men: Apocalypse Does A Few Things Right
"A few" means only two in this case
But its a nice read. It compares with Civil War and BvS
"A few" means only two in this case
But its a nice read. It compares with Civil War and BvS
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I don't have a lot of faith that he's going to be able to make this work either:
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entremet
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I liked her a lot. She captured a young Jean really well.
Sinister is the greatest troll in comics. Who clones a dude's girlfriend and himself to he fuck with a dude by boning his girl times 100?
Cyclops has been my favorite X-Man since, well, forever. I was actually happy with how he was treated this time.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Well, Apocalypse doesn't morph his arm into a giant fist, but Quicksilver does try to solo-shot him, and basically, with no pre-amble or forewarning, just starts beating the shit out of Apocalypse at super-speed. Which is hilarious, because you're like "I guess he really could just do this whenever he wanted, he is that OP"
And just as you're thinking that, Apocalypse manipulates the ground so that it traps Quicksilver's leg, and then he walks up to him and snaps that leg.
And just as you're thinking that, Apocalypse manipulates the ground so that it traps Quicksilver's leg, and then he walks up to him and snaps that leg.
So this Poccy just manipulates matter and not himself?
Speaking of which, I kinda wonder if they'll use that to nerf him for future movies.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Pretty sure the only time Apocalypse shifts size or shape is inside Charles' mind palace. Otherwise he's just Oscar Issac-sized at all times.
Did Chuck dawn his cool conquistador "I am going to fuck your mind up" armor?
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