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[Coulomb_Barrier]

It would always be a pointless upgrade, regardless, unless that person has specific power efficiency (or build) requirements.

I put it the wrong way - people were saying the 1070 completely obsoletes the 980 Ti. Not totally, given how you can achieve more performance with the Ti. Obviously the price of the 980 Ti's needs to come right down for it to be a consideration.

GTX 1070 + 22% core OC 2196mhz = GTX 980ti + 32% core OC 1500mhz

Bear in mind getting a 1070 to 2196mhz seems unachievable on the Pascal card. 1500mhz core clock on 980 Ti is pretty standard.

 

[icecold1983]

I put it the wrong way - people were saying the 1070 completely obsoletes the 980 Ti. Not totally, given how you can achieve more performance with the Ti. Obviously the price of the 980 Ti's needs to come right down for it to be a consideration.

GTX 1070 + 22% core OC 2196mhz = GTX 980ti + 32% core OC 1500mhz

Bear in mind getting a 1070 to 2196mhz seems unachievable on the Pascal card. 1500mhz core clock on 980 Ti is pretty standard.

1.5 ghz is absolutely not standard on 980ti, but its far more likely than 2.2 ghz on either gp104 variant. the latter is probably impossible without serious modifications and cooling

 

[mrklaw]

There may or may not be some basis in this by virtue of the fact that a 1070 is just a very low bin of a 1080. However, as the 1070 is probably going to sell many more units than a 1080 you're going to get some good 1070 bins, so it may be actually a valid technical concern as well as a commercial one.

Tin foil hat time - the 1070 is the same chip as the 1080 but with one of the shader unit thingies disabled in the bios, so a custom bios could u lock an actual 1080

Well - in my dreams. But didn't and do something like that with one of their cards?

 

[holygeesus]

I put it the wrong way - people were saying the 1070 completely obsoletes the 980 Ti. Not totally, given how you can achieve more performance with the Ti. Obviously the price of the 980 Ti's needs to come right down for it to be a consideration.

Even the 1080 doesn't render the 980ti obsolete as the current voltage situation stands, given that true overclocking enthusiasts can hardware mod and get it performing faster than an overclocked 1080 card (until the voltage issue is resolved) if they employ insane cooling methods.

 

[Grief.exe]

much better rundown of all PCB's from Roman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBUbMO6fhWY


cheers

He really liked that 1080 Classified from EVGA.

 

[Onemic]

....so all 1080 cards including AIBs suck at overclocking?

 

[x3sphere]

Tin foil hat time - the 1070 is the same chip as the 1080 but with one of the shader unit thingies disabled in the bios, so a custom bios could u lock an actual 1080

Well - in my dreams. But didn't and do something like that with one of their cards?

I think that happened with the AMD HD6950/6970 and a few other cards. Nvidia probably cut all the extra shaders off though so they can't be reactivated.

 

[Grief.exe]

If you want the EVGA Classified PCB with water cooling, you are going to have to go through EVGA for their Hydro version.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Even the 1080 doesn't render the 980ti obsolete as the current voltage situation stands, given that true overclocking enthusiasts can hardware mod and get it performing faster than an overclocked 1080 card (until the voltage issue is resolved) if they employ insane cooling methods.

Well of course but I'm sure voltages will be unlocked for 1080s soonish. We also must consider that because the method for overclocking Pascal cards is different to the dummy-proof method used for Maxwell, testers might not fully understand how to get the max out of these cards yet.

....so all 1080 cards including AIBs suck at overclocking?

Well the inference is that they don't overclock as well from comparisons between reference Maxwell and Pascal cards.

 

[mrklaw]

So based on non-ref comparisons, the 1070 and 1080 clearly do not overclock as well as the 980 Ti, 980 or 970. I think this will hold for AIB cards too.

So if you happen to have a good non-reference 980 Ti, getting a 1070 would be a bit of a downgrade.

Unless something major is unlocked with a custom bios, it almost feels like you could grab one of the cheap custom cards because none of them are amazing overclockers.

But given that the founders edition can seem to manage similar clocks as the (surely much better) custom coolers, doesn't that suggest those coolers are being wasted

 

[icecold1983]

Unless something major is unlocked with a custom bios, it almost feels like you could grab one of the cheap custom cards because none of them are amazing overclockers.

But given that the founders edition can seem to manage similar clocks as the (surely much better) custom coolers, doesn't that suggest those coolers are being wasted

Temps and noise are always the primary benefit of custom coolers

 

[mrklaw]

Temps and noise are always the primary benefit of custom coolers

So why the fuss about how many power pins are used? More pins are only if you want to pump more power in for OC but that seems a dead end so far

 

[Grief.exe]

So why the fuss about how many power pins are used? More pins are only if you want to pump more power in for OC but that seems a dead end so far

Are reviews coming out already?

 

[holygeesus]

Well of course but I'm sure voltages will be unlocked for 1080s soonish. We also must consider that because the method for overclocking Pascal cards is different to the dummy-proof method used for Maxwell, testers might not fully understand how to get the max out of these cards yet.

It's a fair point, but the cards have been out a while now, and overclockers who know their shit, seem unable to get beyond it.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

So why the fuss about how many power pins are used? More pins are only if you want to pump more power in for OC but that seems a dead end so far

Two 8-pins on the 1080 does seem a little pointless unless voltages can be unlocked and we sail up to and beyond 2200Mhz core clock easily.

It's a fair point, but the cards have been out a while now, and overclockers who know their shit, seem unable to get beyond it.

If you think about it, it's not entirely surprising given the cards are running at such high frequencies out of the box. Stil, doesn't look very promising.

 

[icecold1983]

So why the fuss about how many power pins are used? More pins are only if you want to pump more power in for OC but that seems a dead end so far

Thats a seperate issue from the cooler. wrt the extra power, for the last few years ref nvidia gpus were power limited when trying to sustain high boost clocks. The gpus were able to go further at temps typical of a good air cooler(~70c) with more power. We assumed this would be the case with pascal, but based on the admittedly small sample, it seems like ~2ghz might be whats realistic on the average gpu bin before you hit stability problems. In that case we dont get much benefit from the added power.

 

[Ozorov]

Two 8-pins on the 1080 does seem a little pointless unless voltages can be unlocked and we sail up to and beyond 2200Mhz core clock easily.



If you think about it, it's not entirely surprising given the cards are running at such high frequencies out of the box. Stil, doesn't look very promising.

Any reason why they would lock the voltage to 1.25V or whatever it is now?

And have Nvidia done this on previous cards?

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Any reason why they would lock the voltage to 1.25V or whatever it is now?

And have Nvidia done this on previous cards?

I think the point is you didn't even need to unlock voltage on the Maxwell cards to hit those 1500Mhz overclocks.

My own 980 got to 1450Mhz using just Afterburner.

 

[CaptainSmirnov]

I bought an FE on the 27th from Nvidia.com and it hasn't shipped yet, I got on vacation next week. I'm dying squirtle.

I ended up ordering 3 cards from different stores in an attempt to get one asap.
My local store Canada computers won't get it until June 10th so they let me down. I ordered another from NCIX a few days ago but still hasn't shipped...
Ordered another from newegg.ca earlier today and its already shipped.

 

[x3sphere]

I think the point is you didn't even need to unlock voltage on the Maxwell cards to hit those 1500Mhz overclocks.

My own 980 got to 1450Mhz using just Afterburner.

Yup exactly, bios modding is only needed for overclocking well beyond 1500 on the Ti. And IMO, there's diminishing returns in doing so.

It's completely possible Nvidia was just more conservative on Pascal voltage and there's more headroom there. Anyway from that link VlaudTheImpaler posted it looks like the power limit alone being raised won't be enough to enable higher clocks, we'll need a modded bios for sure.

 

[Onemic]

I ended up ordering 3 cards from different stores in an attempt to get one asap.
My local store Canada computers won't get it until June 10th so they let me down. I ordered another from NCIX a few days ago but still hasn't shipped...
Ordered another from newegg.ca earlier today and its already shipped.

It seems like they straight up arent even available in Canada. I see how it is Nvidia....

Is this how Nvidia card launches are in Canada? Im now expecting that AIB cards wont be available for until a few weeks after their official release.....

 

[Latvian Hitman]

So why the fuss about how many power pins are used? More pins are only if you want to pump more power in for OC but that seems a dead end so far

We will (hopefully) see some modded BIOS files that lift the voltage limits soon. If that happens and is successful in achieving higher clocks, that's when having the extra power delivery will come in handy.

If you think about it, it's not entirely surprising given the cards are running at such high frequencies out of the box. Stil, doesn't look very promising.

Yeah- that's the fear. We may be past the point of diminishing returns already.

 

[DOT DASH DOT]

So I was a bit slow In catching up to watching Jay's EVGA SC benchmark, that cooler is awesome or what? 60% fan at 67 degrees, and almost silent....haven't people complained about how noisy the Strix is?......

 

[CaptainSmirnov]

It seems like they straight up arent even available in Canada. I see how it is Nvidia....

Is this how Nvidia card launches are in Canada? Im now expecting that AIB cards wont be available for until a few weeks after their official release.....

Probably first and last time I sell my cards prematurely and get a card "at launch"

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Yup exactly, bios modding is only needed for overclocking well beyond 1500 on the Ti. And IMO, there's diminishing returns in doing so.

It's completely possible Nvidia was just more conservative on Pascal voltage and there's more headroom there. Anyway from that link VlaudTheImpaler posted it looks like the power limit alone being raised won't be enough to enable higher clocks, we'll need a modded bios for sure.

Considering how little power it requires at stock and how not that hot a 1080 gets, with unlocked voltages we might actually be able to get to the point where you can kill a GPU with too much voltage the way you can kill Intel CPUs. I don't recommend actually overvolting until your GPU dies but I think there's going to be a lot of headroom even on aircooling for a lot of overvolting and huge OCs.

 

[tuxfool]

Tin foil hat time - the 1070 is the same chip as the 1080 but with one of the shader unit thingies disabled in the bios, so a custom bios could u lock an actual 1080

Well - in my dreams. But didn't and do something like that with one of their cards?

Notably GPU vendors used to disable execution resources in bios or through config pins (pull-up or pull-down resistors). They stopped doing that, they probably blow efuses after manufacturing.

 

[michaelius]

Tin foil hat time - the 1070 is the same chip as the 1080 but with one of the shader unit thingies disabled in the bios, so a custom bios could u lock an actual 1080

Well - in my dreams. But didn't and do something like that with one of their cards?

It is same chip - but they cut unused parts with laser today.

 

[Vuze]

So I was a bit slow In catching up to watching Jay's EVGA SC benchmark, that cooler is awesome or what? 60% fan at 67 degrees, and almost silent....haven't people complained about how noisy the Strix is?......

He didn't test it in a case though. We'll have to wait for proper reviews, YT video reviews of complex products shouldn't really be a thing you base a multi-hundred-dollar purchase on

I assume the EVGA SC will be the next card Computerbase is testing but I'm just guessing here once again.

 

[Flandy]

Any reviews of Strix?

 

[paskowitz]

Considering how little power it requires at stock and how not that hot a 1080 gets, with unlocked voltages we might actually be able to get to the point where you can kill a GPU with too much voltage the way you can kill Intel CPUs. I don't recommend actually overvolting until your GPU dies but I think there's going to be a lot of headroom even on aircooling for a lot of overvolting and huge OCs.

As long as you don't go above 1.3v you should be fine (with proper cooling). The problem with "adding more volts" is that it has diminishing clock returns and steep heat gain (hence why at a certain point, LN2 is needed).

With Maxwell (980 Ti), temperatures were actually more important than volts. If you could keep your GPU at <30c you could get >1600Mhz (with a good chip) with almost no volts added. This was less the case with the 780 Ti. We will see with Pascal.

 

[icecold1983]

Any reviews of Strix?

http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/asus-geforce-gtx-1080-strix-oc-test/

 

[fred]

Tin foil hat time - the 1070 is the same chip as the 1080 but with one of the shader unit thingies disabled in the bios, so a custom bios could u lock an actual 1080

Well - in my dreams. But didn't and do something like that with one of their cards?

Those disabled shader unit thingies usually contain silicon that have had bad yields so aren't able to be used in the 1080 but because the other 3 have good yields they use them for the 1070 instead of throwing them out.

 

[Pachinko]

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX62547

I saw this pop up in the last couple days (prices are in canadian) and it looks like this version of the card is a little cheaper at least but man... spending over 500$ for a GPU just seems so expensive to me.

Right now I'm rocking a 390X ... it was crossfired with a 290 but despite being RMA'd and replaced just a couple months ago the 290 has already died again (and they even sent me a brand new one !) so I'm back to being slightly less maxed out with my games

I suppose with the rate these things are shipping in I might be able to wait and see what ATI comes out with next ... I've only ever bought a single Nvidia card throughout the 4 PC's I've now had. And.. it was an 8800 GT that turned out to be pretty amazing so...

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

If you want the EVGA Classified PCB with water cooling, you are going to have to go through EVGA for their Hydro version.

Does the FTW use the reference block?

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Does the FTW use the reference block?

No, it's custom.

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

No, it's custom.

Well damn.

Seriously don't know which card to buy if I want to put it under water, overclock, and not get fucked by pricing.

 

[Grief.exe]

Well damn.

Seriously don't know which card to buy if I want to put it under water, overclock, and not get fucked by pricing.

Asus Strix looks like a solid PCB, had a water block with the 900 series from EK.

 

[The_Inquisitor]

Those disabled shader unit thingies usually contain silicon that have had bad yields so aren't able to be used in the 1080 but because the other 3 have good yields they use them for the 1070 instead of throwing them out.

It's called multi grade BIN'ING. Depending on the package and handler they test these on the parts literally will fall into trays or BINs after final test.

 

[x3sphere]

Looks like there will be an MSI Lightning variant of the 1080

http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/galaxy-gtx-1070-hif-msi-gtx-1080-lightning/

Dual 8-pin and one six-pin power connectors

 

[mrklaw]

So I was a bit slow In catching up to watching Jay's EVGA SC benchmark, that cooler is awesome or what? 60% fan at 67 degrees, and almost silent....haven't people complained about how noisy the Strix is?......

So the EVGA SC is a reference board with custom cooler - but the EVGA FTW is a custom card and custom cooler? Seems like the FTW is a clearly better choice and they seem close in price

 

[DOT DASH DOT]

So the EVGA SC is a reference board with custom cooler - but the EVGA FTW is a custom card and custom cooler? Seems like the FTW is a clearly better choice and they seem close in price

Yeah definitely the way to go imo, I had the SC 980ti which was great, and very cool, looks like this is great too.

 

[Durante]

Looks like there will be an MSI Lightning variant of the 1080

http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/galaxy-gtx-1070-hif-msi-gtx-1080-lightning/

Dual 8-pin and one six-pin power connectors

That's a bit silly, the thing isn't going to use more than 375 Watts now is it?

 

[Vuze]

ooo
Apparently the 1080 fixes the 3D clock idling issue for 144hz monitors and multi monitor setups. This shit has been bothering me for a while now (card heats up to 60c super quickly, which makes the fan speed up for mere seconds - certainly detrimental to their lifespan - and naturally higher clocks = higher energy consumption) so if it's fixed with the 1080, I'll be super happy.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4ls65b/when_will_nvidia_fix_the_144hz_core_clock_bug/d3prnnm

Also EVGA presented this thing. I need one. PCIe power cables are the worst
https://twitter.com/EVGA_JacobF/status/737466467273179136

 

[Xyber]

ooo
Apparently the 1080 fixes the 3D clock idling issue for 144hz monitors and multi monitor setups. This shit has been bothering me for a while now (card heats up to 60c super quickly, which makes the fan speed up for mere seconds - certainly detrimental to their lifespan - and naturally higher clocks = higher energy consumption) so if it's fixed with the 1080, I'll be super happy.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4ls65b/when_will_nvidia_fix_the_144hz_core_clock_bug/d3prnnm

Also EVGA presented this thing. I need one. PCIe power cables are the worst
https://twitter.com/EVGA_JacobF/status/737466467273179136

Fucking yes, that shit has been bothering me so much.

 

[icecold1983]

ooo
Apparently the 1080 fixes the 3D clock idling issue for 144hz monitors and multi monitor setups. This shit has been bothering me for a while now (card heats up to 60c super quickly, which makes the fan speed up for mere seconds - certainly detrimental to their lifespan - and naturally higher clocks = higher energy consumption) so if it's fixed with the 1080, I'll be super happy.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4ls65b/when_will_nvidia_fix_the_144hz_core_clock_bug/d3prnnm

Also EVGA presented this thing. I need one. PCIe power cables are the worst
https://twitter.com/EVGA_JacobF/status/737466467273179136

this was fixed in a driver update some time ago

 

[Vuze]

this was fixed in a driver update some time ago

Not for me. I'm running 368.22 with 1x 1440p144hz landscape + 1x 1080p60 portrait

 

[icecold1983]

Not for me. I'm running 368.22 with 1x 1440p144hz landscape + 1x 1080p60 portrait

i thought you meant single 144hz monitors as well. at 1 point i had to run mine at 120 hz

 

[nubbe]

Not for me. I'm running 368.22 with 1x 1440p144hz landscape + 1x 1080p60 portrait

I run one at 1080@144 and one at 1080@60 and don't have that issue
780 cards

 

[Starfield]

Can anyone recommend me a good 120/144hz Monitor for >400€ ?


Need dem heartz for my 1080

 

[Sky Chief]

Jumped on the hype train and purchased a 1080. Impulse purchase on Friday night. I have the 980Ti at the moment and have already sold it. I think this will be the last upgrade I'll do in awhile now. I've gone from a 980 to a 980ti and now the 1080 to push the extra few frames for 1440P and 4K but the money to output is nowhere near worth it as I think we're still seriously a few years away from consistent 4K 60FPS gaming.

I don't get it. An overclocked 980Ti would get you almost as good performance as the FE. You should have at least waited for the custom 1080s.